2011 MBP Secondary Market Value Dropping faster than 2010 Did (No Actual Price Talk)

[superfula]

Exactly this. When I say the 2010 was superior, I'm talking about general reliability and stability.

- As stated, I'm on my THIRD 17" MacBook Pro 2011, trying to find one that just works. It's at the point I'm tempted to sell it off and just go get a refurb 2010. If it weren't for Apple cheaping out on the box I would do that.

- 2010 did not kernel panic on me. Not once. With this third MacBook Pro, I have hit 3 kernel panics...in two days. That's NOT good.

- 2010 ran WAY cooler. By a wide margin.

- 2010 booted faster. By a WIDE margin. With a SSD in the 2010, I could cold boot in 12 seconds. Same SSD on a fresh install for a 2011 = 20-25 seconds. Makes no damn sense.

- 2010 had even backlighting on the keyboard. Every 2011 has an overbright 5 key and an underbright 6 key.


It's not just about raw speed and power. IN fact I would submit that as stated before, the laymen user won't notice a difference between a quad core i7 and a dual core i7 in real world usage. You'd get more performance from going from HDD to SSD. The 2010 series just worked.

Your personal experiences are not at all indicative of the entire line, so I'd be careful making sweeping statements. It sucks that you and a few others are having issues, but keep in mind plenty more have none.

At this point, SSD's give you nothing more than Bragging Rights!

Another silly statement in a thread already full of them from the op. An SSD is a HUGE performance increase regardless of the circumstance. Right now, I have no need for more than 128GB. If in the future the need arises for more storage, I would rather have my OS and Apps on an SSD and lug around an external USB drive for music, movies, or whatever. Perhaps that setup isn't for you, which is fine. There's no reason to insult others because of it.

 

[Jiten]

The 2010 models had also its share of heating issues.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

You aren't exactly convincing in your initial post..."seems to me" is a very wishy-washy statement. Also, considering that in order to fully back up this claim, you'd have to go to every resale site and compare the sales of all used 2010 models shortly after release to all used 2011 currently on sale.

If you haven't done this, then your claim is completely silly and is really nothing more than a random guess.

I think your talking about auditing every MBP resale - a little unrealistic!

 

[johnnyturbouk]

Your personal experiences are not at all indicative of the entire line, so I'd be careful making sweeping statements. It sucks that you and a few others are having issues, but keep in mind plenty more have none.



Another silly statement in a thread already full of them from the op. An SSD is a HUGE performance increase regardless of the circumstance. Right now, I have no need for more than 128GB. If in the future the need arises for more storage, I would rather have my OS and Apps on an SSD and lug around an external USB drive for music, movies, or whatever. Perhaps that setup isn't for you, which is fine. There's no reason to insult others because of it.

100 % agree

SSD is the single best upgrade i have ever made

My 2011 runs circles around my 2010 in every perceivable way!

@revelated + OP
I do not experience overheating, and in fact my '7' and '8' key is ever so slightly under-lit - not really an issue for me personally!

 

[phpmaven]

What are your specs? Is yours a Built To Order?




How is the box relevant?

Unless you were worried about selling it and having to tell people it was a refurb?




SSD's are not big enough for me to realize a performance boost. I did a little math and came to the conclusion that unless you booted your system twenty times a day, started up each app twenty times a day that an SSD was not worth the expense.

When they begin making 1 TB SSD's, I'll begin to consider them as a viable asset.

At this point, SSD's give you nothing more than Bragging Rights!

Obviously, you don't have a SSD. Get one from somewhere that has a 30 day return policy and use it for a couple of weeks it and then report back to us. I guarantee you that after the first few days you will be hooked. It just makes your whole system so much snappier and responsive.

I get a kick out of some people on these forums who go to great lengths to proclaim how a SSD is a waste of money as all it does it make your system boot a little faster and programs open up quicker. It's funny how I never hear from people that upgraded to a SSD and then decided it was a waste and go back to a HDD. As I say this, some clown will probably say that he did. Sorry, not buying it.

 

[cherishzm]

You honestly think you can make money off a used laptop?

I did make good money selling Macbooks.

 

[Timur]

I do not experience overheating, and in fact my '7' and '8' key is ever so slightly under-lit - not really an issue for me personally!

Same here on a 2010 MBP, especially the 7 is very noticeably under-lit (with a strongly lit 6 beside it). So it's not necessarily an issue of 2011 vs 2010, but an overall design flaw that carries on.

 

[maclaptop]

I think your basis for this thread is very silly.

Why judge the OP?

Why be negative?

This is a valid observation the OP made. One I have also witnessed.

I'd give my take on this, but many (not all) of the members would attack because that's what they love to do. I have no desire to waste time reading the name calling, juvenile comments of those people.

At times it seems that the only acceptable view is to suck up to Apple heaping praise on them no matter what the topic.

Every Mfg has it's pros and cons. Most welcome an open dialog. Most except the various Apple forums. The way this reflects on the Mac community is quite sad for those of us who love the product, but not the way the dialog goes in public forums.

True enthusiasts (many of whom are here) prefer discussion to infighting and nonsensical behavior.

 

[revelated]

What are your specs? Is yours a Built To Order?

Base 2.2 17". Don't do BTO because I don't have the patience to wait for it. Apple really needs to start doing local BTO.

How is the box relevant?

Unless you were worried about selling it and having to tell people it was a refurb?

Having the box with original materials increases what you can sell the thing for.

SSD's are not big enough for me to realize a performance boost.

Capacity is cheap now. You can use cloud storage from numerous companies, or external USB drives, or other some such without having to nerf your boot drive. If you're a VMWare user like me, a SSD will make you absolutely hate platter drives, because VMs are all disk reads. The faster the better.

When they begin making 1 TB SSD's, I'll begin to consider them as a viable asset.

They already do, but again, you're missing the point. What's the purpose of storing everything on one slow drive when you can speed up your booting and applications, then just use cloud or external storage when/if needed?

 

[LastZion]

This is a great thread.
I buy a new MBP every year and just pulled the trigger on a 2.2 QC/750.
I sell my old ones every year and pay max $500, this is an acceptable anual "fee" for owning a new computer under full warranty.

I am going to give my current one to my mother, so I will be able to do some comparisons before I let the old one go too soon.

I am interested to see how it ends up.

Thanks for your insight and observations.

 

[ShootingStars]

Why the heck are you complaining about value when the MBP is already a good product worth its value it doesnt matter if it falls.

GEEZ. Someone people will always something to complain about

Don't be jealous because you bought it early, come on