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2011 NFL Football Off-Season discussion

einmusiker

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einmusiker said:
63dot said:
I have talked to some GB fans who thought this was a Cinderella season and others who though it was not hard to imagine with strong D and top rated NFL QB in history.

I know it's early, but how do you think GB will do next season?

It's hard to repeat and get another SB win, but in somewhat recent years it's been done by New England.

New Orleans didn't do poorly and got into the playoffs where some other Super Bowl winners fail to reach postseason the following year.

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assuming there is a season, I think they will do very wel. They have a young team filled with talent and some great players coming back from IR. They also have some high draft picks coming up. Lets start a new thread on this.
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63dot and I are too anxious to wait for the summer, and with the CBA going on this thread is pretty relevant.

So, how do you think the CBA will go down? I am actually hoping for a 17 game season with only 2 pre-season games. The thing I don't like about extending the season is that it would skew the numbers as far as historical records are concerned. Perhaps they could base records on game averages or something I don't know.
 
I agree it's a step in the right direction, but unless the owners and players go along with it there is no binding decision. I think it will be good for both sides to be able to flush out their concerns and desires
 
Looks like lockout has started.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/18/1942788/nfl-lockout-roger-goodell-nflpa


UPDATE: NFL Lockout Commences After Owners Make It Official On Friday Night, According To*Report
As of 12 a.m. on Saturday morning, the NFL is officially in a lockout state. Earlier in the day, the NFL Players' Association voted to decertify, allowing the players to individually file antitrust lawsuits against the league. The owners were expected to officially vote on a work stoppage ahead of the midnight deadline for a new collective bargaining agreement and reportedly did just that, choosing to lock the players out.

The*report comes from the NFL Network, which is owned and operated by the league. The move is expected, but still disappointing for fans hoping to avoid a work stoppage. With a lockout in place, normal operations are suspended, with team activities in a holding pattern and free agent at a standstill.

The lockout could last days, weeks or, perhaps, into the season, depending on how far the legal battle between the two sides goes. The NFLPA had been asking for full financial disclosure from the league, but was unable to obtain sufficient transparency, forcing the union's to decertify in an effort to protect their own interests.

The 2011 NFL Draft will still go on, but teams will only be able to trade picks, with personnel moves prohibited. Other than the draft, teams will be unable to make roster moves, or have any contact with the players themselves.

For the latest on the negotiations, check out the rest of our*NFL lockout*StoryStream.

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the owners are a bunch of greedy bastards. i hope the nfl's popularity tanks like the nhl's did after their lockout.
 
zioxide said:
the owners are a bunch of greedy bastards. i hope the nfl's popularity tanks like the nhl's did after their lockout.
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The league is making $9 billion a year. I think there is more than enough money for everyone. The small market teams are the ones that want a bigger cut. The Players don't want to play 18 games. And nobody really seems to care about the retired players who are barely getting by.
 
I hope things get better, because with the events of the last week, I don't know if it can get worse.

There's still time left to find common ground but my gut tells me the deep differences out there will have us all watching something else during what should be football season 2011-2012.

The only positive side is that if things have broken down as much as they have, and there can be undue hardship hoisted on a lot of people and businesses (not as rich as owners or players) who get affected, an order can be (and has) made to have differences be appealed to the US Supreme Court.

I hope it doesn't get too messy. For football to happen, both sides are going to have to give in a little and neither side will be all that happy imho, but if there is no season, then everyone loses out. Owners and players can sit out for years and still feed their families, but the regular salaried and hourly workers who make a living off of football (even to the small stores who carry football paraphernalia and to the workers in the stands), a broken season can be disastrous in these hard times.

The longer this stalemate goes on, the more people will be turned off by football to the point they may lose fans for years.
 
MacNut said:
The league is making $9 billion a year. I think there is more than enough money for everyone. The small market teams are the ones that want a bigger cut. The Players don't want to play 18 games. And nobody really seems to care about the retired players who are barely getting by.
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Which is why the players need the money more than the owners. They play, for the most part, a 10 year career if they are lucky. They have to maximize their earnings during that period. The owners just sit on their fat old asses and collect $50 for every car that drives in to their parking lot, $150 per ticket, $10 per beer, etc.

63dot said:
I hope things get better, because with the events of the last week, I don't know if it can get worse.

There's still time left to find common ground but my gut tells me the deep differences out there will have us all watching something else during what should be football season 2011-2012.
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lets go bruins!! hockey is better anyways. less commercials, and fighting is part of the sport.

The longer this stalemate goes on, the more people will be turned off by football to the point they may lose fans for years.
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Which is why, with the top 2 rated tv programs in the past 2 years being the last 2 super bowls, the NFL is extremely stupid with this whole lockout thing. Everyone saw what happened to baseball in 1995 and the NHL in 2005.
 
zioxide said:
Which is why the players need the money more than the owners. They play, for the most part, a 10 year career if they are lucky. They have to maximize their earnings during that period. The owners just sit on their fat old asses and collect $50 for every car that drives in to their parking lot, $150 per ticket, $10 per beer, etc.



lets go bruins!! hockey is better anyways. less commercials, and fighting is part of the sport.



Which is why, with the top 2 rated tv programs in the past 2 years being the last 2 super bowls, the NFL is extremely stupid with this whole lockout thing. Everyone saw what happened to baseball in 1995 and the NHL in 2005.
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The NHL was actually running out of money and had to reset it's salaries. I believe they are actually doing better now than before the strike. The MLBPA wanted more money so they went on strike. The NFL is not hurting and is the most profitable sport. They really have no reason to be fighting over money.
 
I don't think they'll really lose fans unless this thing drags on the point that we don't have a 2011 season at all and I highly doubt that will happen. Sure, no one likes to see rich people fighting over where a decimal place should be, but with the popularity of football and the short season system fans will come right back.
 
zioxide said:
Which is why the players need the money more than the owners. They play, for the most part, a 10 year career if they are lucky. They have to maximize their earnings during that period. The owners just sit on their fat old asses and collect $50 for every car that drives in to their parking lot, $150 per ticket, $10 per beer, etc.
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And aren't most players earning millions of dollars? When they retire, they should be all set for the rest of their life even if they don't earn a penny more. Too many of the players squander away their money on fancy cars or big houses, or lawyer fees to keep them out of jail when they do something stupid.

This whole thing is a pissing match between billionaires and millionaires. Excuse me while I play the world's smallest violin for them.
 
yg17 said:
And aren't most players earning millions of dollars? When they retire, they should be all set for the rest of their life even if they don't earn a penny more. Too many of the players squander away their money on fancy cars or big houses, or lawyer fees to keep them out of jail when they do something stupid.

This whole thing is a pissing match between billionaires and millionaires. Excuse me while I play the world's smallest violin for them.
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The players that built the league, the 70's 80's, don't get any money from the league and they are the ones with the worst health problems.
 
I would definitely be in favor of all players getting guaranteed health coverage for life or at least the league could work out some kind of company sponsored health program that the players could pay into to get coverage for life. Like a term life policy, but it would be a health policy instead. For all I know they may already have something like this, but there's no reason that a system making 9 Billion a year couldn't provide or assist with health coverage for the players after they retire.
 
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The NHL was actually running out of money and had to reset it's salaries. I believe they are actually doing better now than before the strike.
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I think they are too, but it took 5 years.

The MLBPA wanted more money so they went on strike. The NFL is not hurting and is the most profitable sport. They really have no reason to be fighting over money.
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nope. but they are greedy.

mscriv said:
I don't think they'll really lose fans unless this thing drags on the point that we don't have a 2011 season at all and I highly doubt that will happen. Sure, no one likes to see rich people fighting over where a decimal place should be, but with the popularity of football and the short season system fans will come right back.
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This thing needs to end before Week 1 of the regular season or they will start to have problems.

yg17 said:
And aren't most players earning millions of dollars? When they retire, they should be all set for the rest of their life even if they don't earn a penny more. Too many of the players squander away their money on fancy cars or big houses, or lawyer fees to keep them out of jail when they do something stupid.
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Your superstars are making millions of dollars. MOST players don't make that kind of money. The league minimum salary last year was just over $300k. Pro athletes have a pretty high cost of living (traveling to see family, etc) so while 300k is a good amount of money, it's not crazy. Bob Kraft makes more than that in beer sales by the end of the first quarter of a single game.

mscriv said:
I would definitely be in favor of all players getting guaranteed health coverage for life or at least the league could work out some kind of company sponsored health program that the players could pay into to get coverage for life. Like a term life policy, but it would be a health policy instead. For all I know they may already have something like this, but there's no reason that a system making 9 Billion a year couldn't provide or assist with health coverage for the players after they retire.
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This. When players retire, the league no longer gives a **** about them. That should change.
 
Thoughts on the draft thus far?

Personally was pretty happy with the packers choice of OL at pick 32. Rodgers needs all the blocking he can get and sherrod was the best player available. Also was happy to see jj watt go number 11

Very dissappointed though that scam newton went no 1. Lets keep showing our youth that crime pays i guess? :rolleyes:
 
The way the NFL is fighting over money I really could care less about the draft.
 
Hey guess what, the NFL owners are a bunch of jack asses. ESPN is reporting that the lockout is back on. ESPN jumped the gun in saying the lockout is back on, the 8th district has not ruled yet.
 
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einmusiker said:
Thoughts on the draft thus far?

Personally was pretty happy with the packers choice of OL at pick 32. Rodgers needs all the blocking he can get and sherrod was the best player available. Also was happy to see jj watt go number 11

Very dissappointed though that scam newton went no 1. Lets keep showing our youth that crime pays i guess? :rolleyes:
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I thought it was pretty boring all things considered. Teams were clearly playing it safe all night.

I thought the fans booing Goodell every time he went on stage was just disgusting though. That wasn't the place to do that and I don't know why they're complaining. No matter which side ends up winning its not going to put money in the pockets of the fans. They should have just cheered, enjoyed the night, and let the draftees enjoy the spotlight.
 
eternlgladiator said:
I thought it was pretty boring all things considered. Teams were clearly playing it safe all night.

I thought the fans booing Goodell every time he went on stage was just disgusting though. That wasn't the place to do that and I don't know why they're complaining. No matter which side ends up winning its not going to put money in the pockets of the fans. They should have just cheered, enjoyed the night, and let the draftees enjoy the spotlight.
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I couldn't have agreed more.

The highlight for me was seeing Ingram getting very emotional when the espn interviewer was reading the text message. Great moment.
 
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