2012 MBP w/ Cloned Optibay SSD will not boot...help?

[AzN1337c0d3r]

Put the SSD in where the internal SATA HDD used to be and it's been booting without issue ever since.

There is a known issue with SATA III and the optical bay on 2011 15 and 17 inch Macbook Pros.

My guess is Apple didn't fix the issue for 2012 seeing as the large majority of users do not replace their optical drives with an optical bay. It also voids the warranty.

 

[calderone]

There is a known issue with SATA III and the optical bay on 2011 15 and 17 inch Macbook Pros.

My guess is Apple didn't fix the issue for 2012 seeing as the large majority of users do not replace their optical drives with an optical bay. It also voids the warranty.

It doesn't void the warranty.

OP, try a optical kit from OWC. If it doesn't work return it, but it would be interesting to see if it does work.

 

[AzN1337c0d3r]

It doesn't void the warranty.

Replacing the optical drive with an optical bay most certainly voids the warranty.

As the Optibay does not qualify as a customer-intallable part as defined by Apple, it would void the warranty. Only memory and such "user-serviceable parts" qualify. Even with permitted modifications, any damage done by such work is not covered.

 

[calderone]

Replacing the optical drive with an optical bay most certainly voids the warranty.

As the Optibay does not qualify as a customer-intallable part as defined by Apple, it would void the warranty. Only memory and such "user-serviceable parts" qualify. Even with permitted modifications, any damage done by such work is not covered.

No. It doesn't.

 

[AzN1337c0d3r]

No. It doesn't.

And yet there have been countless threads with a large majority of posters saying you are wrong.

Ex: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1175069/

 

[calderone]

And yet there have been countless threads with a large majority of posters saying you are wrong.

Ex: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1175069/

I have already fought this fight with folks like GGJ, they don't have a leg to stand on. I will clarify my position for you, a position supported by both my experiences as well as the experiences of others here and around the internet.

The mere act of replacing the optical drive does not void the warranty. The warranty is only voided once Apple voids your warranty.

That is all that is required to understand why the warranty is not voided.

 

[The Bad Guy]

No warranties have been voided.

 

[Rajpdx]

Replacing the optical drive with an optical bay most certainly voids the warranty.

As the Optibay does not qualify as a customer-intallable part as defined by Apple, it would void the warranty. Only memory and such "user-serviceable parts" qualify. Even with permitted modifications, any damage done by such work is not covered.

It's the damage you cause by doing it.
Not a voiding of the entire warranty - unless that's explicitly stated in the warranty itself - and even that has to be within current law.

 

[AzN1337c0d3r]

It's the damage you cause by doing it.
Not a voiding of the entire warranty - unless that's explicitly stated in the warranty itself - and even that has to be within current law.

Did you read that thread?

And I quote:

Hence, by removing the optical drive, which is not listed as a "user-serviceable" part, Apple may void the warranty without needing to show that the modification had any negative impact on the computer. A warranty is, in effect, a contract between you and Apple. If you do not observe the terms and conditions of the warranty, you in effect relieve Apple of its obligation to honor the warranty.

If Apple finds ANY evidence you removed the optical drive, you can kiss your warranty good bye and you can bet the genius who did so will note it in your case file.

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The mere act of replacing the optical drive does not void the warranty. The warranty is only voided once Apple voids your warranty.

Semantics. Technically, Apple didnt void anything. You voided the warranty by failing to uphold the terms and condition.

 

[Rajpdx]

Did you read that thread?

And I quote:




If Apple finds ANY evidence you removed the optical drive, you can kiss your warranty good bye and you can bet the genius who did so will note it in your case file.

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Semantics. Technically, Apple didnt void anything. You voided the warranty by failing to uphold the terms and condition.

I don't disagree - I was speaking generally, people have been saying for years that making mods "voids" the warranty - and this was when Apple's warranty used to explicitly say that only resulting damage wasn't covered. They've changed the wording of the warranty to be more explicit now which I why I said
"unless that's explicitly stated in the warranty itself "

 

[calderone]

If Apple finds ANY evidence you removed the optical drive, you can kiss your warranty good bye and you can bet the genius who did so will note it in your case file.

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Semantics. Technically, Apple didnt void anything. You voided the warranty by failing to uphold the terms and condition.

So wait. You just said, if Apple finds any evidence the warranty is gone. Okay, agreed there.

You then proceed to say that "Apple didn't void anything," but in fact that "you" voided the warranty? Contradiction? I think so. The individual did not void the warranty, obviously, only upon determination by Apple is the warranty voided (as you stated above).

The point still stands: The mere act of removing the optical drive does not void the warranty.

 

[AzN1337c0d3r]

So wait. You just said, if Apple finds any evidence the warranty is gone. Okay, agreed there.

You then proceed to say that "Apple didn't void anything," but in fact that "you" voided the warranty? Contradiction? I think so. The individual did not void the warranty, obviously, only upon determination by Apple is the warranty voided (as you stated above).

The point still stands: The mere act of removing the optical drive does not void the warranty.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/void

1. having no legal force or effect; not legally binding or enforceable.

A warranty is a contract. The moment you remove the optical drive, your warranty contract is no longer legally binding (ie. voided). Not when Apple discovers it in the future.

Apple doesn't void anything.

I'm done arguing with someone who repeatedly fails to demonstrate basic critical thinking skills.

 

[calderone]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/void

1. having no legal force or effect; not legally binding or enforceable.

A warranty is a contract. The moment you remove the optical drive, your warranty contract is no longer legally binding (ie. voided). Not when Apple discovers it in the future.

Apple doesn't void anything.

I'm done arguing with someone who repeatedly fails to demonstrate basic critical thinking skills.

So, just to be clear.

I had a MacBook Pro in which I removed the optical drive and replaced it with an SSD. I needed service, I put the optical drive back in, and took it in for service.

According to you, my warranty was voided. Yet, I received a repair under warranty. In other words, my warranty contract was in effect.

The reason for this is because, again, the mere act of removing the optical drive does not void the warranty. If Apple had a sticker in the machine, stating "Warranty void if removed," then the mere act would be sufficient for voiding the warranty, this is however not the case. If you do not understand this distinction, it is you who does not have the basic critical thinking skills necessary to comprehend legal distinctions.

I also want to point out again, you contradicted yourself in the previous post by referencing what Apple would do if it found out.

 

[AzN1337c0d3r]

According to you, my warranty was voided. Yet, I received a repair under warranty. In other words, my warranty contract was in effect.

No, your warranty was void. You just committed fraud to cover up that fact so that Apple didnt know.

The reason for this is because, again, the mere act of removing the optical drive does not void the warranty. If Apple had a sticker in the machine, stating "Warranty void if removed," then the mere act would be sufficient for voiding the warranty, this is however not the case. If you do not understand this distinction, it is you who does not have the basic critical thinking skills necessary to comprehend legal distinctions.

From the Apple Warranty:

The warranty does not apply: to an Apple Product that has been modified to alter functionality or capability without the written permission of Apple

Replacing the optical drive with an optibay is modifying the functionality and capability.

I also want to point out again, you contradicted yourself in the previous post by referencing what Apple would do if it found out.

I want to point out that you contradicted your contradiction because Apple didn't find out because you put the optical drive back in.

 

[wischi]

I can confirm that this "no brand" caddy works just fine with SATA-III in the optical bay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOR-Apple-M..._Ray_Drives&hash=item43b1cfa1b6#ht_2313wt_786

Can you pls post a link to the sellers account, as the eBay link no longer works.

wischi

 

[NMF]

Can you pls post a link to the sellers account, as the eBay link no longer works.

wischi

I don't know how to look that up (nor do I really want to spend the time), but all the ones listed on that link are the same thing. They all come from the same Chinese factory.