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Employers aren't finding people to fill their manual labor jobs at the price employers are willing to pay.

There - fixed it for ya.

You are going to have a very hard time getting folks to work in the fields for a dollar over minimum wage. Which is what is being advertised in the local paper (yeah rural 'Murika still uses those) where I am at to work in the nurseries.


You might want to look at what it actually costs to move, for starters. Lets review:
I just moved from Texas to Tennessee - that cost me well over $2,000.

Housing - 1st month's rent + Security deposit
Utilities (water, sewage, electric, internet)

That is over $1,000 right there.

60% of Americans can't cover an unprogrammed bill of $400.

Are you really so stupid as to think that folks are going to uproot and move for a job that may not be there 6 months from now? A good chunk of 'Murika is in the Right to Work for Less areas.

I have moved back to Jeebusland to help take care of my elderly mother - another reason people are staying put - eldercare is no damned joke. As you will no doubt get to find out in a couple of decades.

I don't understand your point.

Are you saying employers should move their strawberry farms and bridge construction to West Virginia to hire the employees there? Maybe they should build the LaGuardia airport upgrade in Ohio instead?

Like I said, employers are not finding workers, at ANY price. The jobs are at fixed locations. It's the employee's responsibility to move to where the jobs are.

Don't be so stupid to think that any jobs can exist anywhere.
 
The whole made in America bit was always a pile of hot stinking crap. Perhaps Apple should have taken their issues as a sign for the then impending and monumental cluster-**** the cMP was and is.


As it should be.

America isn't a manufacturing economy. If China can make things cheaper, LET THEM.

Americans spend thousands of dollars publicly on each citizen to teach them things like calculus and fine arts and literature so that they DON'T have to do things like manual assembly labor.

How many millennials do you know are willing to work doing manual labor like picking strawberries or cleaning toilets or assembling houses? Nobody in America wants to do that at ANY price - and that's confirmed by employers having difficulty finding workers to fill those roles.

Let other unskilled people in countries do those kind of work. Let's open the borders so that low-skilled people can come in and do the manual labor that Americans don't want to do.

This is the optimum global economic strategy. I have no idea why Apple thought it was a good idea to manufacture in the US when it was obvious China (or other places in Asia) was a better option.
My god, it's like you're my twin.
 
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Then they should move to the places where there are jobs, but they're choosing not to.

Or are you suggesting that an employer move their strawberry fields to West Virginia? Or perhaps they should build houses in Ohio instead of where there is demand? Maybe the bridge should be built in downtown Columbus instead of over a river where it's needed?

Like I said, employers aren't finding people to fill their manual labor jobs.
See, you have just proven that you are living in a bubble.

There are hundreds of thousands of African Americans in Alabama living in metro areas that used to be manufacturing hubs, but all the manufacturers have left three decades ago. People who live there don't have cars. They have never been outside of their "hoods". They have no money to "move" to another city. They barely have money to take a city bus once or twice a month. They don't need to move anywhere. The employers who left the country and left them to live in abject poverty for over a generation now need to come back. The old factories are still there all boarded up. They can either re-use the old buildings or raze them and build brand spanking new ones. Those neighborhoods were built in a way that people could walk to bike to work. They still could if the factories were still there.

Your argument that there are no people in the US who want to work in manufacturing is flawed. There are millions of Americans who are ready to work in manufacturing.

Also, the official unemployment rate is fake. People who stopped working years ago are not counted as unemployed. There are millions of people out there that are neither employed nor counted as unemployed. So, the notion that we need to legalize illegal immigrants because we don't have enough workers is a bunch of BS. We have enough workers who are waiting for solid jobs that pay livable wages. Not the retail jobs or fast food jobs. Real jobs that give people pride in what they do and pay real livable wages.
 
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See, you have just proven that you are living in a bubble.

There are hundreds of thousands of African Americans in Alabama living in metro areas that used to be manufacturing hubs, but all the manufacturers have left three decades ago. People who live there don't have cars. They have never been outside of their "hoods". They have no money to "move" to another city. They barely have money to take a city bus once or twice a month. They don't need to move anywhere. The employers who left the country and left them to live in abject poverty for over a generation now need to come back. The old factories are still there all boarded up. They can either re-use the old buildings or raze them and build brand spanking new ones. Those neighborhoods were built in a way that people could walk to bike to work. They still could if the factories were still there.

Your argument that there are no people in the US who want to work in manufacturing is flawed. There are millions of Americans who are ready to work in manufacturing.

Also, the official unemployment rate is fake. People who stopped working years ago are not counted as unemployed. There are millions of people out there that are neither employed nor counted as unemployed. So, the notion that we need to legalize illegal immigrants because we don't have enough workers is a bunch of BS. We have enough workers who are waiting for solid jobs that pay livable wages. Not the retail jobs or fast food jobs. Real jobs that give people pride in what they do and pay real livable wages.

You're living in a imaginarium bubble if you think the poor can't move for new jobs.

People in third-world countries literally swim to other countries for jobs.
 
That is companies taking advantage of H1B visas. They intentionally create requirements to not find a US citizen to hire since they can import a slave.

H1B has quotas and can be more of a headache than hiring American citizens. Studies has also shown H1B workers not only make the same as Americans (dispelling rumors that H1B visas are a way of getting cheap labor), but many H1B workers make more than their American peers.

Good luck getting a H1B employee on minimum wage to live in the US..
 
H1B has quotas and can be more of a headache than hiring American citizens. Studies has also shown H1B workers not only make the same as Americans (dispelling rumors that H1B visas are a way of getting cheap labor), but many H1B workers make more than their American peers.

Good luck getting a H1B employee on minimum wage to live in the US..
Source?
 
As it should be.

America isn't a manufacturing economy. If China can make things cheaper, LET THEM.

Americans spend thousands of dollars publicly on each citizen to teach them things like calculus and fine arts and literature so that they DON'T have to do things like manual assembly labor.

How many millennials do you know are willing to work doing manual labor like picking strawberries or cleaning toilets or assembling houses? Nobody in America wants to do that at ANY price - and that's confirmed by employers having difficulty finding workers to fill those roles.

Let other unskilled people in countries do those kind of work. Let's open the borders so that low-skilled people can come in and do the manual labor that Americans don't want to do.

This is the optimum global economic strategy. I have no idea why Apple thought it was a good idea to manufacture in the US when it was obvious China (or other places in Asia) was a better option.

wtf!?
 
I don't believe this bogus rumor that seems 100% political

The USA has been producing every kind of item for over hundred years

Americans will do all kind of jobs, don't believe these stories

Certainly if the rent of a one bedroom apt is $600 per month and the salary offered is $300 per month, it will not happen

What about taxes ?

It's Apple and their greed who wants to make a killing profit by hiring labor in slave factories where they need to install nets because of the suicide rates

Apple also with google, facebook, amazon, netflix and many other big tech companies, don't like to pay taxes to the US government

28,000 screws let's say at 1 cent each are $280 per day.
If the factory is working 7 days a week, it comes to $102,200 each year.
taking out the cost of the machinery, electricity, labor, materials rent and office work,
how much is left ?

$20,000 ? a fast food employee makes more per year

may be if this factory was assigned to produce all the screws of every apple product,
it would be worth their time and effort in dealing with greedy Tim
 
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We all know that certain jobs are going away due in part of the automation and using robots. Why can’t the USA and Europe not compete on robotics? We have the best software companies and could take the lead in this new age.

I'm not so sure that is true. Sure robotics have their place, but you still need skilled trades workers. As a country the US has not kept up with this need. Like I said, how many decades has college college college been pushed on kids? Get into sports so you can become a pro athlete, get good grades so you will be drafted into the big leagues after your college is paid for with scholarships. That happens to VERY few people yet it is the focus of middle and high school rhetoric. When we should have been telling them the truth, that not everyone will be a millionaire, college isn't for everyone and there is NOTHING wrong with community college or trade school to learn a skill that is universal. Now I will say the whole shift in this thinking is likely due to the government making it hard to do business and companies trying to increase profits by sending manufacturing outside the US. But there is only so many finance people needed and kids going to college for finance degrees because that's where the money is....how long did they think that would last? How long before we have no one making enough money to be able to invest. I think we are reaching that threshold.

Sorry for the rant but this domino effect is why we are seeing states without enough money to fix crumbling infrastructure. So many people living at or below livable wages, taxes are down, more people need assistance that takes money otherwise useful for infrastructure repairs, upkeep and investment, more people relying on hand out food and water on a daily basis. Sure there are cities doing very well, but they are focused on services companies like Amazon or (insert online shopping warehouse and customer service here) and those in turn drive up housing costs and cost of living in those areas and even those jobs are mediocre. I really believe it all comes down to loss of manufacturing jobs in the 70s-80s-90s. We have become a society of low paying service and retail jobs, for stuff made in other countries. It's like an equalizing vessel. As the US job market lost jobs, you will see the Asian region increase jobs and see their economies thrive. Thirty years ago China had no highway system, now they are becoming the largest automotive market in the world and by 2020 they are expected to have 50,0000+ miles of highway, while the US states can barely keep up the existing system for lack of funds.

It's not hard to see the correlation.
 
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You're living in a imaginarium bubble if you think the poor can't move for new jobs.

People in third-world countries literally swim to other countries for jobs.

Have you ever moved for a job in the US? It's usually incredibly expensive, even if you already have the job lined up.

What bubble do you live in that you think telling desperate people with nearly nothing that "these even more desperate people with literally nothing risked enormous threats and death to attempt to find a safe place to live so you're fine" is acceptable? Someone moving from the rust belt or rural America into a tech hub is more likely to end up jobless, homeless, and starving with zero support network than anything else.

That's assuming they can even afford a bus ticket. Otherwise they'll try a similar trek to asylum seekers, as you've mentioned, and many that attempt to will die in the process (just as many asylum seekers do), or fall victim to crimes and hardships that fall primarily on the poor. It's even worse if they have families.

I would also remind you just how *huge*, and not pedestrian friendly, the US is. Crossing the US without a car or money for a bus/train/plane takes a *really* long time, and a lot of effort.

You should also bear in mind that healthcare in this country is completely out reach for many of the people you're talking about, meaning that many of the people who *could* physically leave have already left, but many of the people who remain are sick, elderly, or otherwise infirm and cannot access the care they'd need to get better, move, or even work a new job when they got to their destination.

Lastly, education is a factor too. Again, many of those with higher levels of education or skills in trades have already left these regions, those that remain often lack those things *and* access to them. Even if they physically can work a job were they to manage to move they may not have the skillset or education to do so.

tl;dr you're both incredibly wrong and represent exactly what's wrong with the attitude towards the poor in this country. You're the guy advocating bootstrappiness to the people who just had to eat their bootstraps because they couldnt afford food.
 
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