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And the improved single core performance - at a *lower* price point will work just fine for them. *They* certainly aren't the ones on here complaining about soldered RAM, and quad core multi-threaded performance. That machine will last them for years - if all they want is information. I still have a fully functioning Mac mini core 2 duo from what must be going on 10 years ago. RAM and HDD aren't the problem - but the discontinued power cord is. The drama in your post is ridiculous. I didn't realize that Apple was suddenly OLPC. :rolleyes:

Obviously you've never been on a government site that wouldn't display properly or process your information because your web browser wasn't recent enough, and then you go searching for web browsers that the website says will work, only to find that the one that is current enough won't run on your machine due to your operating system being out of date. Good luck trying to get on some of those sites with your Core2Duo and an obsolete Mac OS.

You assume much about the people who might be complaining here. Generalizing that none of the people who want upgradable machines are voicing their opinions because they need a machine which will be incrementally upgradable for them for a number of years. Maybe not everyone says why they need a machine that can be slowly updated over time, but they're in here, I can assure you of that.

Maybe you are so far removed from such situations that you really have no idea what their needs might be, what tasks they might need to complete, what might be asked of them, and what they might even be trying to accomplish / or perform as they seek any method available to improve their situation.

Maybe you fail to realize that there are currently machines on the shelf that cannot even handle running the software required for someone I know who is seeking to return to college to better themselves and reenter the work place. Many of the "affordable" machines which use a processor like that in the new Mini won't even run required course software, not to mention the accessibility software they'll need to even have a chance of succeeding in college.

Maybe you're so far removed from the reality of life that you assume that every disabled person who lives in poverty will get assistance and social security.

Perhaps it never occurred to you that such a person might need more than minimum dual core machine, 4 GB of RAM, and might need a machine that will be able to be improved later without buying another one.

Maybe such a person would try to buy what they need to get through this year, and get enhancements as needed for software that was necessary for the coming years later. Focusing on what classes will be taken first, and then meet requirements for the other classes as needed.

I know such a person. I can tell you that person is looking at going to school, needs a relatively inexpensive machine with more than a dual core processor. Why? Because it will not run any of the software they need to get the degree which will enable them to obtain employment in a field they can work in with their disabilities.

Unfortunately, that person doesn't have money for more expensive machines. They've gotten a generous grant to buy them a machine up to X number of dollars. And, could have used a Mac Mini until the recent downgrade.

Oh, sure, you say, go buy one used. No dice. Grant money can only be spent at one of two stores. One of them being a local Mac store, the other one being a department store which only has a couple of machines which the school has already told them will not run the software that they'll have to install. Unfortunately, the grant money will not afford them anything beyond the price of a Mac Mini. Lowest iMac is just out of range.

You know what's even more laughable about Apple's pricing... the educational discount of $20 on a computer. That's embarrassingly cheap of Apple. Really? $20 discount on a computer for educational purposes? Glad Microsoft is more generous... Discounting hundreds of dollars on software for students. I remember when Apple used to give a couple hundred dollars off on computers that were priced in student price ranges already.

Those who speak from up high often have no idea the reality that awaits them later if they themselves find them among the less fortunate.

You can throw out generalities from a mentality of wealth, and I'll be able to provide a real world situation where someone needs more options than a sealed box with no upgrade path.
 
I last met a person who upgraded his computer four years ago. Upgradability on computers, removable battery on phones & memory cards on tablets are interesting perhaps to less than 1% of the market.

Some people really need to stop trying to conserve technology products for ages and get a new device when the time comes, just like the rest of us. In 2014 tech products are designed to be easy to manufacture & be thrown away when their time comes. Deal with it :cool:

"Deal with it'. This is exactly what i am doing right now, i move all the purchases for my business to vendors who don't restrict they clients. If it's a business, then i can go to competition. Witch i already started to do. At the end there will be no Apple products into my company. And since i do a lot of 3d(i done VFX for Hollywood by the way) i get a lot of exposure for my work. And people do ask me what type of workstations and office computers i use for my creations. I will no longer recommend Apple to my friends and customers. It amazes me how many are around here to defend the stupid decisions made by Apple. To have the possibility to upgrade your RAM, does not mean that the user will do it. You can pay someone to do it for you(if you find replacing RAM difficult maybe you should not use computers in the first place). Now if your RAM goes bad(and RAM does malfunction sometimes) then you will need to throw your computer. As for the 'by a new device', well, i am a business owner and i have BUDGETS. I don't know about you but i like my ROI to be as high as possible to put food on my table, and on my employees for that matter. When i invest in computers i do it with a clear deadline for replacing them. If i can't service a product, i have no use for it.
 
Guys the MM isn't cheap even at $499.
Look at a pc tower you can pick up for that price vs the MM's specs.
 
I've already started moving away from :apple:. I've stuck it out long enough. Nearly 20 years. It's just not worth the headache and the money anymore. Too many options out there.

I suggest others start considering it. I mean, :apple:Watch, really?

It's definitely under consideration. If Android 5.0 fixes the issues my Nexus 5 has with Bluetooth, my wife might get my iPhone 6 much sooner than expected.
 
This is so wrong on an entry level machine. So disappointed.

On a positive note, I own a late 2012 mac mini model that I put 16 GB ram and large SSD inside and I saved money. That feels good that I didn't wait for this model.

I did the same. I replaced the SLOW 5400 RPM drive with SSD and 1TB hybrid drive which gave new life to an aging hardware. It takes seconds to boot up.

Shame on you Apple! For people who support this strategy, shame on you for defending a greedy company!
 
I last met a person who upgraded his computer four years ago. Upgradability on computers, removable battery on phones & memory cards on tablets are interesting perhaps to less than 1% of the market.

Some people really need to stop trying to conserve technology products for ages and get a new device when the time comes, just like the rest of us. In 2014 tech products are designed to be easy to manufacture & be thrown away when their time comes. Deal with it :cool:

Why does one have to throw away a perfectly good working computer just because a new one is around the corner?? If you have plenty of money to throw around every year hats off to you..As other people pointed out there is enough environmental waste out there already which is filling up landfills so why not be a little more environmentally friendly.
 
I did the same. I replaced the SLOW 5400 RPM drive with SSD and 1TB hybrid drive which gave new life to an aging hardware. It takes seconds to boot up.

Shame on you Apple! For people who support this strategy, shame on you for defending a greedy company!

The 5400 rpm hard drive should have died a torturous painful flaming death years ago. It is perhaps the biggest bottleneck in computer performance.
 
It's definitely under consideration. If Android 5.0 fixes the issues my Nexus 5 has with Bluetooth, my wife might get my iPhone 6 much sooner than expected.

used apple since 2005...and i'm feeling the same way...if windows improve...by golly..i'll go with it..
 
I did the same. I replaced the SLOW 5400 RPM drive with SSD and 1TB hybrid drive which gave new life to an aging hardware. It takes seconds to boot up.

Shame on you Apple! For people who support this strategy, shame on you for defending a greedy company!

what is the point of the hybrid hard drive if you already put in the ssd?
 
The 13 inch MacBook Pro has the same specs as the new Mac mini. Soldered on RAM and no quad-core option. Have fun with your "Pro" machine....

Sorry I meant the 15-inch (quad core + discrete graphics)... I have lived in a cave (for MacBooks) since my purchase of rMBP '12 when there was only a 15 inch option..:eek:

Update: It seems that the discrete graphics is also gone on the latest rMBP 15" unless you choose the more expensive config :eek:.....
 
Omg this guy ticked me off so much I had to make an account just to comment, who do you think you are mr keyboard warrior? Seriously, you speak for everyone in "poverty"? I doubt that. Actually the biggest annoyance about your holier than thou comment was that if people are in poverty they should not be owning a Mac mini in the first place. Macs are more expensive and a luxury item, if you knew real people who were poor you would know there is no way they would own an apple product, instead they would have some cheap no name brand computer and use the money for something more important.

Seriously, that's like complaining BMW car tires can only be changed by BMW but yet if people are that worse off they don't need a BMW, get off your high horse and think before you talk. Also by looking at your products in your tag line it looks like you are far from poor mr . 3 apple tvs. Don't try to speak for people and just come off as a POS. Rant over

Lol... really, the idea of objecting to throwing machines away rather than updating them to extend their useful life upsets you???

You think poor people wouldn't have Apple products in the first place? Really? You are obviously so far removed from poverty that you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

You know how you identify poor poverty stricken people in my area? They have iPhones. Most of the iPhones I see this year are in possession of the people who are given free phones and free ($1 to $5 for taxes) telephone service on those phones as part of a federal program to insure that all people have communication options.

This year they got iPhones. Last year they all had the same model Samsung Phone. The year before, they all had the same model Motorolla phones... I remember a year when they all had the same model Blackberry Phones.

LOL, poor people wouldn't have Apple products. Apple is currently how you identify poor people. Just wait and see which phone model they pull out of their pocket.
 
"iFix it had to make a prototype new screwdriver to open the desktop"
Wow, can you imagine how much they will charge customers for that tool?

So it's confirmed, Apple no longer wants us to be techies and do the work ourselves. They purposely redesigned the internals for one purpose and one purpose only...to prevent the user from changing ram and hardrives. They purposely mixed it up inside so it's harder to get to and the outer shell is the same.

This is so wrong on an entry level machine. So disappointed.

On a positive note, I own a late 2012 mac mini model that I put 16 GB ram and large SSD inside and I saved money. That feels good that I didn't wait for this model.

not only that...but to kill off 3rd party shops...
 
Here comes the "Pro's" complaining how stupid it is that Apple soldered the RAM so the .01% of people who open up and upgrade their components can't.

How dare this $500 box not be comparable to a $2,500 Mac Pro!

Yeah, cause you need to be a real pro to upgrade the ram modules in your computer. Like all these 12 year old Pro's that do this everyday on their PCs. And the fact that this machine is actually slower than the previous generation, is also a detail that will irritate only the Pro's.

Man...seriously ?
 
Soldered RAM is almost a crime when their BTO RAM prices are insanely high. :mad:
So, let's see. They dropped the price by $100, so basically upgrading to 8GB is free relative to the old, and upgrading to 16GB is $200.

Here's a well respected supplier for RAM:
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple/Mac_mini/DDR3_1600

Upgrading a 2012 to 8GB is $100, and upgrading to 16GB is $200.

Yes, I'm sure you can find a cheaper source, but then you don't expect back alley prices from Apple, do you?
 
I last met a person who upgraded his computer four years ago. Upgradability on computers, removable battery on phones & memory cards on tablets are interesting perhaps to less than 1% of the market.

Some people really need to stop trying to conserve technology products for ages and get a new device when the time comes, just like the rest of us. In 2014 tech products are designed to be easy to manufacture & be thrown away when their time comes. Deal with it :cool:

wow that's ridiculous. with that logic, guess you should take your car to the junkyard after 3000 miles instead of getting that oil change since its 'time came'.

these aren't paper plates we're talking about. what a horrible mindset.
 
Yeah, cause you need to be a real pro to upgrade the ram modules in your computer. Like all these 12 year old Pro's that do this everyday on their PCs. And the fact that this machine is actually slower than the previous generation, is also a detail that will irritate only the Pro's.

Man...seriously ?
Not slower. There's just no 4-core version. I'm pretty sure you'll find the 2014 faster than the comparable 2012.

Unless you're just looking for a reason to complain, in which case please excuse the interruption...
 
Meet your quickly-obsolescent, disposable Mac Mini.

Not impressed? A bit unhappy? Maybe you're holding it wrong.

In your case, just wait until 2021 when Apple plans a daring refresh to Broadwell!
 
You know what's hilarious?

Person A: I am so fed up with Apple's terrible ideas, overpriced hardware, and refusal to listen to what the market wants, that I'm done with it. I'm leaving the Apple ecosystem, and moving to a PC ecosystem where I can get the products I want at a price I can afford.

Apple Defender: Scoffs at Person A, and says yeah right, we know you aren't going anywhere. You're a Troll. Only a fool would throw away their machines and move to another platform.

Person B: I can't believe Apple thinks making machines disposable and limiting our options to upgrade memory, etc. is a good idea. I wish Apple would listen to the community and produce machines that aren't slower than yesterdays machines, make it so we can add memory as needed, and permit us to extend the useful life of our computers when all they need is a small part installed.

Apple Defender: You are being unreasonable. You should never expect to be able to continue using your current computer after Apple introduces a new model. You should realize by now, and accept that computers are meant to be thrown away every year, and replaced with the new model. It's only $500 to $3000 annually. Anyone who isn't willing to spend that much on a new computer from Apple every year has no business owning a computer or even voicing an opinion about computers. Throw your machine away, buy a new one.

Am I the only one who see's an odd contradiction here? Same person that scoffs at one person for abandoning their Apple hardware tells another person that it's just meant to be thrown away anyway.
 
You buy the new mac mini for the torx screw. It is the smallest and lightest torx screw possible that still remains functional. Therefore it is a Jony Ive torx screw. :)

LOL! :D

That made me have a flashback to Steve Jobs' introduction of the original iMac when he resoundingly declared the the lack of a 3.5" floppy was a "awesome feature" rather than a downgrade.

The difference here is that even then Jobs believed in a limited mezzanine slot, USB & CD ROM to replace a feature he removed.

I don't see how soldering the memory here saves Apple money or is a "feature."
It appears that Apple is deliberately downplaying this product itself.

If I had to describe the new Mac Mini, it would be as an EOL afterthought upgrade waiting in line for something completely different. Maybe like a mix between Apple TV & Mac Mini in one product? I mean, it's hard not describe the new Mac Mini as more of an appliance than a computer in the way it's deliberately designed for you to never be able to open it up.
 
You know what's hilarious?

Person A: ...

Apple Defender: ...

Person B: ...

Apple Defender: ...

Am I the only one who see's an odd contradiction here? Same person that scoffs at one person for abandoning their Apple hardware tells another person that it's just meant to be thrown away anyway.

That is pretty funny, but I'm not finding the quotes so I can share it with my friends. Can you find me a good example of the same person saying both things?
 
Meet your quickly-obsolescent, disposable Mac Mini.

Not impressed? A bit unhappy? Maybe you're holding it wrong.

In your case, just wait until 2021 when Apple plans a daring refresh to Broadwell!

Oh... now I get it... I thought it was broken... I held it up to my ear and nothing happened. You mean it's not a phablet? Takes this piece of **** back and demands them to exchange it for the phablet over there with more power.
 
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