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gregmac19

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Can the hard drive in a 2015 27” 5K iMac be heard over the fans? I am curious if an iMac with just a SSD is quieter than one with a fusion drive.
 

Samuelsan2001

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Yes it will be quieter as it has no moving parts. The hard drive can and will make some noise they aren't hugely loud but they can be heard.
 
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smacrumon

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I'm a little surprised that 2015 iMacs are shipping with hard drives, would have thought SSD had been standard especially for 27” 5K. The only time I can hear the HDD is in a silent room, but even then, it's just little gentle tapping noises as it does its work. When music is on, can not hear it. Can't recall hearing fans. At one point my ears had become so attuned to the sound of the HDD in a silent room, I could actually tell the difference between a Mac booting and Windows machine booting!
 

maflynn

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I'm a little surprised that 2015 iMacs are shipping with hard drives, would have thought SSD had been standard
Yup, but then that's Apple for you. Perhaps the 2016 models will be SSD only. They do need to justify an update, as kaby lake won't be out for them to use.
 

Samuelsan2001

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I'm a little surprised that 2015 iMacs are shipping with hard drives, would have thought SSD had been standard especially for 27” 5K. The only time I can hear the HDD is in a silent room, but even then, it's just little gentle tapping noises as it does its work. When music is on, can not hear it. Can't recall hearing fans. At one point my ears had become so attuned to the sound of the HDD in a silent room, I could actually tell the difference between a Mac booting and Windows machine booting!

They will become fusion minimum I think but with the need to offer 1,2 &3TB of storage on a desktop, all SSD is still a way away for any OEM.
 
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smacrumon

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They will become fusion minimum I think but with the need to offer 1,2 &3TB of storage on a desktop, all SSD is still a way away for any OEM.
Fusion in 2016 just seems crazy! I hope they really move to SSD, move the world forward, so to speak.
 

Samuelsan2001

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Fusion in 2016 just seems crazy! I hope they really move to SSD, move the world forward, so to speak.

Really?? Name me one other company that has ssd's as standard in their all in ones, go on just one.....

Thought so, Apple have been the instigators of the move to SSD more than any other OEM, they were years ahead of anyone else with it as an option and as standard in their notebooks and the only people to come up with a good fusion alternative, again years ahead of anyone else.
 

smacrumon

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Really?? Name me one other company that has ssd's as standard in their all in ones, go on just one.....

Thought so, Apple have been the instigators of the move to SSD more than any other OEM, they were years ahead of anyone else with it as an option and as standard in their notebooks and the only people to come up with a good fusion alternative, again years ahead of anyone else.
We don't have to look at what "other companies" are doing to decide where Apple goes next. That attitude ensures Apple does nothing great, ever. It's a false argument as well. Fusion was introduced as a temporary transition from hdd to ssd. It's time to kiss it goodbye and move forward.
 
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Samuelsan2001

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We don't have to look at what "other companies" are doing to decide where Apple goes next. That attitude ensures Apple does nothing great, ever. It's a false argument as well. Fusion was introduced as a temporary transition from hdd to ssd. It's time to kiss it goodbye and move forward.

Nonsense Apple has been and still is the cutting edge of flash storage introduction in the consumer market, but they still have to work within that market and provide storage levels that people want. Having desktops with a maximum of 1Tb SSD storage is not what customers want and a 2-3 TB PCIe SSD option would be beyond what most will pay hell most won't even pay the upgrade to a 512gb SSD let alone the 1TB option currently available.

I would like to see 256gb SSD fusion drives accross the board, that is starting to become feasible as PCIe ssd's slowly drop in price and is a good compromise for a year or two.
 

smacrumon

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Nonsense Apple has been and still is the cutting edge of flash storage introduction in the consumer market, but they still have to work within that market and provide storage levels that people want. Having desktops with a maximum of 1Tb SSD storage is not what customers want and a 2-3 TB PCIe SSD option would be beyond what most will pay hell most won't even pay the upgrade to a 512gb SSD let alone the 1TB option currently available.

I would like to see 256gb SSD fusion drives accross the board, that is starting to become feasible as PCIe ssd's slowly drop in price and is a good compromise for a year or two.
"work within that market" -- Apple creates the market. Fast SSD coupled with slow 5400-rpm o_O HDD -- that is nonsense. Fusion should be dead in 2016, and Apple should kill it.
 

Samuelsan2001

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"work within that market" -- Apple creates the market. Fast SSD coupled with slow 5400-rpm o_O HDD -- that is nonsense. Fusion should be dead in 2016, and Apple should kill it.

Apple has about 5% of the consumer computer market ! Anyone who thinks that's them creating the market may need a few lessons in business.....
 

iWombBanger

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Really?? Name me one other company that has ssd's as standard in their all in ones, go on just one.....

Thought so, Apple have been the instigators of the move to SSD more than any other OEM, they were years ahead of anyone else with it as an option and as standard in their notebooks and the only people to come up with a good fusion alternative, again years ahead of anyone else.

I'd take your challenge; Microsoft, with their Surface and Surface Book. Make no other machines :p

Edit: Oh, he was talking about All in Ones.
 

Spadeano

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Apple has about 5% of the consumer computer market ! Anyone who thinks that's them creating the market may need a few lessons in business.....
[doublepost=1469807841][/doublepost]Apple has, for years adopted technology prior to other computer manufacturers. Intel played a huge role in the early development of USB, but without Apple and their adoption, I'm not sure it would have ever filtered to the PC. Manufacturers on the PC side were happy with inexpensive DB9 serial ports and Centronics Parallel ports. They were plenty good enough. Even with Apple's support, Firewire never really caught on on the PC side of things because few people there were doing things that required the higher bandwidth at the time. Again, it is Apple pushing Thunderbolt and now USB C that moves connectivity standards forward. Yes, it would be great if we can move beyond spinning hard disks, but there are still reliability issues with flash memory and a limited number of read/write cycles. And yes, users not operating primarily in a networked environment with server based storage available often want drives bigger than what has been "affordable" in terms of SSD's. If given the choice I would like a PCI bus based SSD for my boot drive with a conventional hard disk doing duty as a RAID backup of the boot drive, as well as providing additional storage on a separate partition.

PS. Yes, it was Apple that pushed out SSD directly via PCI buss rather than old tech...
 
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steve62388

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"work within that market" -- Apple creates the market. Fast SSD coupled with slow 5400-rpm o_O HDD -- that is nonsense. Fusion should be dead in 2016, and Apple should kill it.

There would be plenty of moaners that there wasn't a high capacity option and large size SSDs were too expensive. You know what people are like.

I think having choice like now is a good balance and the best of both worlds.
 
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