2016 MacBook Pro vs 2017 MacBook

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  1. jeme macrumors regular

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    Thanks in advance for the opinions and help. I will try to make this brief. I started with a 2015 MacBook, really loved the portability - incredible machine from that standpoint.

    Upgraded to the 2016 13 inch MacBook Pro with the touch bar - got a really nice machine. i5 with 15GB Ram and 512 drive. Missed the smaller power supply etc on the MacBook.

    Really considering going back to the MacBook now that they have been upgraded. I wanted to really understand what is the difference between these two machines. What will I miss from the MacBook Pro.

    I know the webcam is a difference, I am seeking clarification on the difference on the screen, I do like the touch bar but do not use it much. I love the speakers on the MBP.

    I can get about $1350 in trade for my old machine and would like to get a 16GB ram with 512 and the i7 in the new MacBook. So that will be about $1950 so this is going to be a $600 upgrade.

    So what will i miss and what are your thoughts in going from the 2016 MBP to the 2017 MacBook? As an FYI I am also going from the 9.7 iPad Pro to the 10.5 iPad Pro as well.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Another question is there a difference in the SSD speeds between the two machines? Thanks
     
  2. jeme thread starter macrumors regular

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    Bump sorry. Anyone?
     
  3. jeme thread starter macrumors regular

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    No one? No opinions?
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    Maybe I should ask the question in a different way.

    What will I be loosing going from the 2016 TB Pro to the 2017 MacBook. I had the 2015 MacBook and you absolutely could not beat the prortability.

    I am for the most part email and web, nothing heavy, programing encoding etc.

    Also is it worth it to go to 16mb ram and i7 or will i5 and 8gb work? I will also probably run windows via Bootcamp.

    Thanks in advance for opinions.
     
  4. maerz001, Jun 12, 2017
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    maerz001 macrumors 6502a

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    I think nobody replies because the answers are obvious:

    You will be loosing 600€ for less screen, less CPU & GPU power, less SSD speed and less ports.
    Sounds like a good deal;-)

    i3 and 8GB should be enough. But you can check this in your current model in activity monitor. what does it say there while doing typical workload?
     
  5. jeme thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thanks for taking the time to answer. Using very little CPU like 10%, Memory 12.6 out of 16gb. Yep understand going down in matching but darn that portability. I am also getting a 10.5 iPad so I think the best decision is to keep the MBP, but that small MBr is so easy to carry.

    One thing that would help me is a much small charger for the MacBook Pro. Are you aware of any effective smaller chargers? Thanks again for your input.
     
  6. maerz001, Jun 12, 2017
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    Well i think its more in your head. I had a MBP in 2009, than the Air 2012 and now the MB 2016. Every product was fine at the time. We just adapt to things...

    But with your machine you could easily wait a few weeks and wait for discounts. I bought a 6 months old MB for 30% off. But even Apple will give you 15% for a refurbished in a couple of months.

    i bought this charger from Aukey: https://www.aukey.com/products/amp-...elivery-foldable-plug-usb-c-or-dual-usb-ports

    Its just a bit smaller than the MB charger. But cheaper and has an additional USB-A socket. On the go it should be ok for a 13"MBP but with 29W it will charge at half the speed.
     
  7. jeme thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thanks so much for your input! I wish that charger would do both the USB A and USB C at the same time. I agree on the discount later and I do not know how or what impact the 10.5 iPad coming tomorrow will have on all of this.

    Interesting stuff.
     
  8. Kierikka macrumors member

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    I would keep the 13" a little while and try the iPad with a keyboard as a replacement for the rMB. If you still feel like the ipad isn't a good replacement, then you should think about replacing the 13".

    Why did you replace the 12" for the 13"?

    I love my rMB 1st gen and I have a rMBP 15", I may replace both with a new rMB 12 i7 16GB when I see more how it will handle Final Cut Pro. I know the 15" will always render faster but I care more for the portability that the 12" gives me.
     
  9. jeme thread starter macrumors regular

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    Replaced because of the touch ad but I never use it now. Also liked the speakers.
     
  10. Kierikka macrumors member

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    Do you change computer often? Why not just buy a m3 or i5 with 8gb. Do you really need the extra ram and the little speedbump that i7 gives. For what you use the computer for it will be powerful enough.
     
  11. maerz001 macrumors 6502a

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    With "ad" you mean advertising, right? ;)
    Hope you won't get fooled by the new iPad ad and MB ad:)

    But buying a new toy every year can be fun as long as u have enough cash...
     
  12. jeme thread starter macrumors regular

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    Sorry Touch Bar. I just got the 10.5 iPad and it is incredibly fast. Might just deal with he 2016 MBP TB and hold off on the 12 inch MacBook.
     
  13. EugW macrumors 601

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    If I had only one machine, I'd buy a fast MacBook Pro with lots of storage space.

    However, since my main machine is an iMac, and yet I place great value on portability while on the road, and because I mainly just use office type applications on the road, I paired it with a 2017 MacBook. IMO the 2017 isn't really a great productivity machine. It's a light productivity machine and a good media and internet consumption machine. If that's all you need then fine, but then you probably wouldn't have needed to go with the MBP in the first place.
     
  14. macintoshmac, Jun 28, 2017
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    I am beginning to toy with the idea of my 15" 2011 MBP as desktop and pairing it with a smaller rMB. There are times when the 13" feels a little on the heavy side, even in its 2016 form factor. Why? Because I have had an iPad Air 2 once, and I have lifted that 920g devil rMB at a store. ;)

    One main reason is that today, for the second time, a key started acting up. Couple of months ago it was G, today it was F. Normal light pressure and the key just would not register. This is a trigger to go and rethink my entire computing strategy now, and I am leaning towards that 12" devil because of its weight and size, mostly. I wish to sell my 13" MBP 2016 now, this is rather not very cool to spend 1.46 lakh Rupees ($2200) and get a machine where I have two keys giving me the finger anytime of their own desire.

    I also remember, that seeing 2016 MB and 2016 MBP side by side, the display of 2016 MBP had won me over. Speakers were almost the same but 2016 MBP was definitely more refined and better. Doesn't much matter. Oh well.

    Some advice would be greatly appreciated, let me elaborate on my use case here. I know that a lot of this use case is so generic that even an iPad will handle it, but I am only providing a complete picture in hope of better informed advice and answers from people. :)

    1. Web browsing (say 15-20 tabs, and please do not say I need to rethink my browsing habit :p )
    2. MS Office (major OneNote/ Outlook/ Word use, rare Powerpoint and Excel)
    3. Pages/ Numbers/ Keynote
    4. Almost constant downloading something or the other
    - an external disk connected due to the above

    5. Watching what I download
    - External disk connected due to above

    6. Photos Library stands at 112GB at the moment in JPEG format. I use an external disk for it when needed.
    7. I have begun using a DSLR, and have RAW format files. Again, placed in an external disk of large capacity.
    8. Canon Digital Photo Professional for RAW editing
    9. Rapidweaver for building and managing websites
    10. Transmit for FTP purposes
    11. Swift Publisher
    12. Some Adobe Indesign, Illustrator, Photoshop
    13. Pixelmator, Affinity Photo/ Designer

    14. I am also buying an iPhone 7, might shoot some 4K sometimes, so need capability to handle that.

    Apart from this, I would like to game, but not very important as I might just some day use a Windows machine for it specifically.


    With the above, the only, and I really mean only reason I did not go the rMB route in 2016 was my external disk dependency. If that rMB had one more port, I would have taken it without a blink. I put stuff to download in the night, and often watch in the day or evenings. This means I need one port for charging the notebook and one for the external disk. This is the single bone of contention. I cannot go for buying wireless enabled HDDs because of ridiculous pricing here. And a NAS is truly out of budget at the moment, I had considered it. I will do it, and that will help in future to get wireless access so I can use that one port just to charge, but what do I do now?

    With my MBP 2016, I have even found myself using 3 ports often, one for charging and two for connecting two disks simultaneously.

    Guys, for most of my requirements, I know I might fit into the category of an average user with not much processing requirement, but I would call myself an advanced user because of how I use my computer, and connectivity options I use.

    If you think an iPad and an rMB might suit me better in way of "best of both worlds", I may look into that. iPad can be used for media consumption, rMB can be used as a daily driver, both devices in a tiny format compared to MBP 2016.

    There are many threads spread here with experiences, but this particular one focuses on the Pro users switching to rMB, and I am greatly interested in opinions and thoughts around that experience. I am not stupid, I am not closed minded, I am going to give everything a fair listen and shot. So, I am prepared to understand user cases how they have managed to get around the need for one more port, if at all.

    Key question: If I am downloading stuff, I have thus far tended to just drive it straight to an external drive. Considering that rMB is 512GB, I may get around to downloading stuff overnight on the rMB, and when done, use the port to transfer to the HDD. When I need to work with RAW files, transfer folders to rMB or maybe work from the HDD connected. But when I need to charge and access an external disk, what to do? I am sure there will be some who have encountered this or similar issues, and I am hoping to hear from you how you have managed to work around it.

    Please note:

    I have a Late 2011 MBP 15" 2.4GHz model with AMD 6770m graphics, 256GB SSD and 16GB 1600MHz RAM that I will keep.

    I also have a Late 2016 MBP 13" 2.9 GHz model with Touch Bar, bought for retiring the old MBP, but I am looking to replace this one because of the second resurfacing of the issue with keys G and F. If you think that my current model is the best there is, I will then look into getting the keyboard replaced (if they do such a thing in India), or just upgrade it to 2017 and live with the extra 400g for the extra use case that I subject it to. If not, feel free top opine what should I do. Imagine I have a desktop in way of 2.4GHz Core i7 256GB SSD 16GB 1600 MHz RAM equipped Late 2011 MBP 15" with 6770m Graphics.

    Thank you so much!
     
  15. Silvestru Hosszu macrumors member

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    You can buy a dongle and use the external drive and charge the macbook simultaneously.
    There are lots of docks out some will let you use 2 drives and charge in the same time.
    I think that the i5 512gb may suit your need.
     
  16. macintoshmac macrumors 68030

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    I am relying heavily on the i5 512 as well. It provides good computing power, and does one thing very very good - portability.
     
  17. Silvestru Hosszu macrumors member

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    You are perfectly right. The main issue is screen real estate. Is 12'' enough or not. The answer is very subjective.
    For me it is perfectly ok for travel and casual browsing and some lite work.
    But for heavy lifting I do have a desktop and a 15'' laptop.
    I dont really know if could live only with a macbook...
     
  18. macintoshmac macrumors 68030

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    I have a 15" Late 2011 "desktop" MBP with 256GB SSD and 16GB 1600MHz RAM. :D I only seem to want retina at the moment, and the fast disk IO, and lighter weight. Mostly media consumption, and content writing as a profession, and RAW editing on Canon's DPP as photographic hobby.
     
  19. Silvestru Hosszu macrumors member

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    I am a lawyer so I do write a lot. Please try the keyboard before buying this thing. You may love it but also you may very well hate this keyboard.
    I myself can manage it but do not love it. I much prefer mechanical keyboards.
    I also love photography. To be honest I never tried to edit my nikon d810 raws on macbook. But I have mylio and photo mechanic installed and both work just fine. And keep in mind that I have the 2016 m3 variant.
     
  20. macintoshmac macrumors 68030

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    I have the 2016 MBP and the keyboard is acceptable to me. The keyboard build quality is another matter altogether, which is crap. never had doubling keystrokes, not-registered keystrokes, etc. on my 2011. Have had second instance of keystroke either doubling or not registering in some months of owning this 2016 with no heavy typing as of yet. Not happy with the quality of construction.
     
  21. EugW macrumors 601

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    IMO, the 2017 MB keyboard is a huge improvement over the 2016 MB keyboard.
     
  22. macintoshmac macrumors 68030

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    The 2016 MacBook keyboard was gen 1. So gen 2 is going to feel vastly different. The real thing to discuss is if there is a difference between gen 2 MBP 2016 and gen 2 MBP 2017 keyboards. :D
     
  23. EugW macrumors 601

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    I won't comment on the MBP keyboard since I haven't used it enough. However, the 2017 iMac keyboard is much nicer than the 2017 MacBook keyboard.

    I found the 2016 MacBook keyboard intolerable. I find the 2017 MacBook quite tolerable, but not exactly great. I find the 2017 iMac keyboard very good, and an improvement over the older style iMac keyboards. However, I still wish it had a bit more travel.

    I prefer the new iMac keyboard to most mechanical keyboards though. Although I do like the feel of the stiffer high travel mechanical keyboards, I can't use them because they give me repetitive strain injury.
     
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    Financial suicide. That's my opinion.

    Seems you only want change for change sake. You've had both computers, you know what they are like. Sure, 2017 might be a bit faster than the 2015 MacBook, but it's pretty much the same computer.

    You will probably lose $500 by selling your tbMBP after less than a year. Plus an additional $500 to trade up. That's 1000 bucks. For which you will get a slower computer, less screen real estate, worse display and speakers et.c., only in favour of portability. I sure hope you travel a lot! ;-)
     

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