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Motortrend posted a blog written by two attorneys who discussed the implications of automation for insurance. One of them said eventually the liability would be so expensive insurance companies would refuse to cover people who wanted to drive ( or something along those lines). Whatever happens it'll be an interesting 20 years or so.

My question is, will these self driving cars be programmed to drive the speed limit? That would be torture for everyone else on the road.
 
Dammit, Toyota. I like your cars, I love my Prius, I hate your Nav and dashboard systems. Get on board with CarPlay or at least offer it as an option.

I don't think I'm getting a new car anytime soon but I do think a NEX is in my future...
 
My question is, will these self driving cars be programmed to drive the speed limit? That would be torture for everyone else on the road.

Seems like the more autonomous cars you have the faster they can go because they would be better drivers. Maybe we'd have something like carpool lanes for robot cars in the interim...
 
Dammit, Toyota. I like your cars, I love my Prius, I hate your Nav and dashboard systems. Get on board with CarPlay or at least offer it as an option.

I don't think I'm getting a new car anytime soon but I do think a NEX is in my future...

Developing a vehicle takes a long time. Manufacturers aren't bringing product forward because of a new UI layer that they'll spend millions developing but can't recoup any additional revenue for because all manufacturers are being forced down the same route. Especially when it'll be used for Music/Sat Nav in the same way it is now 99% of the time

It's frustrating working in the auto industry, with people thinking that Carplay is as simple to implement as loading any other app on a PC or Mac. I'm more intrigued at their potential vehicle and how they execute that than Carplay. Carplay and Android Auto are just noise. At best you'll get more accurate map/traffic data and better integration to apps, of which only a handful will be useful, and some of those had integration with a number of OEM ICE solutions anyway.
 
The built in screen requires the driver to look down. Actually the small obstruction of the dash mount was overall better. The clock, gauges in dash, require a glance. The GPS can easily suck you in and cause not a glance but an extended look. Just watch some using a phone on console, they are not glancing unless you call 20 or 30 seconds a glance. My point, addressed by Apple's No glance technology needs the screen to go dark to in force the No glance. Distracted driving is becoming a significant problem.

How is a GPS unit any different to anything else that can "suck you in" such that only Apple's system needs a nanny-state-enforced-screen-turn-off?

What next? The car applies the brakes if you look down to adjust the AC controls?

What you're advocating is simply silly. Forced interlocks are not going to make an unsafe driver into a safe driver. All they do is make the system a usability nightmare for those of us (i.e., the vast majority) who understand that "being sucked in" by a screen is something we can avoid by applying common sense to the situation, in the same way we've been doing for years with radio controls, AC controls, GPS units, dashboard dials, trip computers, etc. The Carplay system (like all made-for-car UI schemes like Android Auto and OEM systems) was designed with operation by the driver with minimal distraction in a way that using a phone attached to the dash was not.

Either way you're not going to eliminate poor drivers who do not focus on the road when driving by making the system turn off when the car is moving - they'll simply use something else.
 
Ferrari is no longer owned by Fiat. They are an independent company as of Octobee 2015. They've also always been fiercely independent.

Side note - Fiat Chyslers infotainment app sync thing is ****ing dire, as is their software in general.

If you want to be technical about it--which it seems you do--the plan has only been announced (and just recently approved), and has not been implemented yet. 80% is still owned by Fiat-Chrysler.
 
How is a GPS unit any different to anything else that can "suck you in" such that only Apple's system needs a nanny-state-enforced-screen-turn-off?

What next? The car applies the brakes if you look down to adjust the AC controls?

What you're advocating is simply silly. Forced interlocks are not going to make an unsafe driver into a safe driver. All they do is make the system a usability nightmare for those of us (i.e., the vast majority) who understand that "being sucked in" by a screen is something we can avoid by applying common sense to the situation, in the same way we've been doing for years with radio controls, AC controls, GPS units, dashboard dials, trip computers, etc. The Carplay system (like all made-for-car UI schemes like Android Auto and OEM systems) was designed with operation by the driver with minimal distraction in a way that using a phone attached to the dash was not.

Either way you're not going to eliminate poor drivers who do not focus on the road when driving by making the system turn off when the car is moving - they'll simply use something else.
Stats for you:
Driving drunk 400 times more likely to be in a wreck
Talking on the phone 2500 times more likely to be in a wreck
Texting 4000 times more likely to be in a wreck
New technology in the car is a serious issue when texting is 10 times worse then drunk driving.
Now in a Google type car or other crash avoidance technology it may get better.
I took a NASCAR professional driving school for corporate drivers and they recommended NO cell phone use ever for any reason. Then they challenged us to perform using a simulated phone on a controlled coarse, required to not crash into school bus full of kids, not one driver including the professionals passed. Distracted driving is a real problem. Something to think about.
 
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A car without CarPlay is almost as useless to me as a car without an engine.
and dumy knocks it out of the park..
it's been a while my friend, how's it going.

let's consider your post. a car without an engine just sits there looking pretty.. it maybe offers protection from the rain....

a car without car play.. mmm it still drives, it still can take phone calls.. it still has sat nav.. it still has music.. can you explain how this is an useless as not having an engine please..

So we. Have established that a car without apple is useless. Where do we draw the line.. is a washing machine or a fridge without apple unless. . What about tv. Is a normal TV, with sky and cable and free view and.bt vision, but no apple.tv useless.. ? Just asking....
 
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Stats for you:
Driving drunk 400 times more likely to be in a wreck
Talking on the phone 2500 times more likely to be in a wreck
Texting 4000 times more likely to be in a wreck
New technology in the car is a serious issue when texting is 10 times worse then drunk driving.
Now in a Google type car or other crash avoidance technology it may get better.
I took a NASCAR professional driving school for corporate drivers and they recommended NO cell phone use ever for any reason. Then they challenged us to perform using a simulated phone on a controlled coarse, required to not crash into school bus full of kids, not one driver including the professionals passed. Distracted driving is a real problem. Something to think about.

And how is using a phone in any way related to Carplay?

That's the whole point of it, unless you don't understand how it works?

There's no keyboard, so there's no texting while driving - if you want to send a message you use Siri to compose it. Those (uncited) stats are presumably based on typing out a text message on a phone screen in your hand while driving, which makes it a meaningless stat for comparison here.

So, if you want the screen to be forced off when moving, I assume you also want Siri to ignore you so you can't use voice controls either?
 
Developing a vehicle takes a long time. Manufacturers aren't bringing product forward because of a new UI layer that they'll spend millions developing but can't recoup any additional revenue for because all manufacturers are being forced down the same route. Especially when it'll be used for Music/Sat Nav in the same way it is now 99% of the time

It's frustrating working in the auto industry, with people thinking that Carplay is as simple to implement as loading any other app on a PC or Mac. I'm more intrigued at their potential vehicle and how they execute that than Carplay. Carplay and Android Auto are just noise. At best you'll get more accurate map/traffic data and better integration to apps, of which only a handful will be useful, and some of those had integration with a number of OEM ICE solutions anyway.

Granted, I don't work in the auto industry and I've never designed a car so I'm happy to be proven wrong about this. I can only speak from my experience as a driver, and an owner of Toyotas for the last 8 years. The sat/nav/radio systems just aren't that great, IMHO, and could use some finesse by someone who understands the user experience better. Automakers can design incredible hardware, but their software usually sucks. The UIX in most cars seems like an afterthought, with rigid voice-activated controls, nav systems tied into expensive DVD updates, and terrible phone integration. They lag several steps behind the PC and smartphone/tablet industries in terms of ease-of-use, feature set and device pairing. Why not at least allow the option for one of those companies to offer their take on it and improve the experience? Automakers don't design every part on the car, they purchase speakers, CD players and other parts from outside vendors. So why not farm out the sat/nav/music systems to companies that get it? I would at least like the CHOICE to buy a different system, and so far Toyota is one of the few that hasn't signed up for Carplay and I don't understand why.
 
I'm on my second VW with essentially the same system, which is touch screen based, but very plain. I've got another 2 years on this lease, so it will be a while before I'm up for something new, but I like that they are implementing CarPlay, whether I end up using it or not. I'll be checking out Honda again as well when this lease is up, and by then they should have the system in the CRV as well. I am curious what the systems look like without a phone attached.
This week the local VW dealer told me unequivocally that the 2016 models have CarPlay integration.
 
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