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Crappy car from a mediocre company launches with a crappy feature that Apple hasn't dropped yet.

Which part of this is desirable?

I think your completely wrong, the car is actually really nice and has gotten great reviews so far. Plus I'll take Apple Car or Android Auto over any in car nav system!!!!!!!
 
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What kind of car? Some cars already have decent systems in them. Honda's are pretty clunky, so I'd say CarPlay is a more welcome addition in their case.

I don't own a CarPlay-equipped vehicle, but I drove a rental Chevy Impala for a couple months and highly preferred CarPlay to it's built-in system.
Funny. The car that I was referring to was a 2016 GMC Sierra (probably runs the same infotainment system that your rental Impala did). I much prefer GMC's built-in system to CarPlay. Opinions opinions! :D

One oddity that I don't like with CarPlay--if I open an app on my phone (if it is CarPlay supported), the app will open on CarPlay as well, and vice versa. I'd much rather the two devices (phone and car) run independently.
 
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Sorry about that.

That is all true about BMW, but it doesn't explain why VW has wireless CarPlay capable vehicles right now but Apple won't let them use it, or even show it off.

This might be a little technically above my head, but I don't understand why CarPlay cannot work over Bluetooth. Maybe it is bandwidth, but CarPlay doesn't seem to do anything that is bandwidth intensive. If CarPlay used BT, then that could bring wireless CarPlay to cars that currenly only have wired CarPlay.
CarPlay is literally sending the UI to the headunit. All the headunit does is send the touch/Siri commands back and output audio. The bandwidth required is a lot more than people realize.

Obviously this doesn't mean it's impossible over BT but they just now (10.2) got CarPlay to be solidly reliable over lighting. It was quite buggy previously.

As far as usefulness I've found it to be a lot better than my Pioneer's UI. I plug my phone in and put it in the center console. Using is excellent through it and Siri works quite well for me most of the time. Good enough that I can send texts to my team or family without causing a safety hazard.
 
At the risk of veering off-topic, does anybody have experience with Android Auto? Can you use apps like Waze on it?
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It's not CarPlay's limitation. Google hasn't built the compatibility yet and I don't think they'll do it anytime soon. Since they also own Waze, that's unlikely too.
I believe this answers my question.
 
CarPlay is literally sending the UI to the headunit. All the headunit does is send the touch/Siri commands back and output audio. The bandwidth required is a lot more than people realize.

Obviously this doesn't mean it's impossible over BT but they just now (10.2) got CarPlay to be solidly reliable over lighting. It was quite buggy previously.
Maybe this is the case, and maybe it is too much for BT to handle, but that still doesn't explain why wireless CP is taking so long to launch.
 
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Funny. The car that I was referring to was a 2016 GMC Sierra (probably runs the same infotainment system that your rental Impala did). I much prefer GMC's built-in system to CarPlay. Opinions opinions! :D

One oddity that I don't like with CarPlay--if I open an app on my phone (if it is CarPlay supported), the app will open on CarPlay as well, and vice versa. I'd much rather the two devices (phone and car) run independently.
True... and I think they just don't want you using both at the same time of course XD
 
It's not CarPlay's limitation. Google hasn't built the compatibility yet and I don't think they'll do it anytime soon. Since they also own Waze, that's unlikely too.

Maybe this is true, but I doubt it.

Firstly, they have Waze for the iOS, so making it for CarPlay to potentially expand their user base seems like something they would want to do.

The CarPlay API does not support third-party mapping apps yet. Plain and simple.

The CarPlay API is currently very limited, it only supports audio apps, automaker apps, and messaging apps. That's it. This is why the only CarPlay-compatible third-party apps so far are mainly music apps (e.g., Pandora, iHeartRadio).

I'm hoping they will add support for mapping apps in iOS 11.
 
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Either you're trolling or just misinformed... I can't tell. Honda is having a breakthrough year and leads the industry in many categories. The new CR-V already has loads of awards before it even hit the showrooms. Historically their vehicles have legendary reliability, excellent fuel economy, sporty manners, and ridiculously high resale value. Their $20k Civic is capable of autonomous cruising, braking, and lane-keeping. Apple CarPlay is a decent feature that will get better over time, and it sure as heck beats out a lot of infotainment systems in cars these days (especially Honda's, which is one of their few weak spots).
What does the crv compete against for those awards? Hondas usually run forever but they run like turds. High resale is laughable as well unless you buy a new car every 3 years or less. I can see why someone would want a vehicle like this, though. I am guilty of trolling here but ffs, it's a Honda.

You wrote sporty manners as a highlight. It would seem you and I have opposing ideas of what a sports car is.
 
Crappy car from a mediocre company launches with a crappy feature that Apple hasn't dropped yet.

Which part of this is desirable?

I'm intrigued , what's a great car company in your opinion? Let's forget The ones that specialise in super and hyper cars.
 
What does the crv compete against for those awards? Hondas usually run forever but they run like turds. High resale is laughable as well unless you buy a new car every 3 years or less. I can see why someone would want a vehicle like this, though. I am guilty of trolling here but ffs, it's a Honda.

You wrote sporty manners as a highlight. It would seem you and I have opposing ideas of what a sports car is.

CR-V competes against Toyota RAV4, Maxda CX-5, Ford Escape, Nissan Rogue, Jeep Cherokee, Subaru Outback, etc. Technically it's called a compact SUV (or compact crossover), and it has now become the largest and fastest-growing vehicle segment, and the CR-V is the top seller in that segment. By some metrics it is now actually the top selling vehicle in America.

Resale value is not laughable, because with Hondas it means you can sell a 15-year old car for a decent chunk of change. Just try listing a Honda Accord for sale vs. a similar car from another brand and see what you get more calls about. It also means higher trade-in values because dealers jack up the prices on used Hondas. When I was in college, I bought a used CR-V for $4600 that needed a few things fixed. I put about $1000 total into it, drove it for 3 years, and sold it for $6000 to buy my Acura.

By sporty manners, I'm talking about tighter steering and suspension, shorter-throw gearboxes, engines that are designed to be revved really high, etc. I'm not talking about RWD muscle car sportiness or giant HP/lb-ft figures. Try driving a V6 Accord Coupe, or a Prelude, or a Civic Si, or an S2000.
 
I'm intrigued , what's a great car company in your opinion? Let's forget The ones that specialise in super and hyper cars.

Having a great car and being a great car company are moving targets. Obviously a car that was great in 1950 won't be considered great in 2016.

Honda was a great car company that made great cars. And then Tesla showed up and made everything else suck by comparison. Cars with engines in 2013 and beyond suck. Tesla showed how to make a great car - all of their patents are open source - and every established automaker has decided to ignore them. They've decided that because they have decades of experience in outdated technology, they're going to continue investing in that outdated technology.

It'll be their downfall. They look like Kodiak, Nokia, and Blackberry, circa 2008. They weren't willing to make radical changes in what they were doing, and so customers left them for someone else.

Maybe 2008 was early enough. Maybe if those companies had changed direction in that year, they could have survived. Maybe GM is changing direction fast enough with the Bolt. But Toyota and Honda both look especially unprepared to shift away from engines.
 
Having a great car and being a great car company are moving targets. Obviously a car that was great in 1950 won't be considered great in 2016.

Honda was a great car company that made great cars. And then Tesla showed up and made everything else suck by comparison. Cars with engines in 2013 and beyond suck. Tesla showed how to make a great car - all of their patents are open source - and every established automaker has decided to ignore them. They've decided that because they have decades of experience in outdated technology, they're going to continue investing in that outdated technology.

It'll be their downfall. They look like Kodiak, Nokia, and Blackberry, circa 2008. They weren't willing to make radical changes in what they were doing, and so customers left them for someone else.

Maybe 2008 was early enough. Maybe if those companies had changed direction in that year, they could have survived. Maybe GM is changing direction fast enough with the Bolt. But Toyota and Honda both look especially unprepared to shift away from engines.

Actually if you do your research, Honda/Toyota made more advancements than Tesla.

And until Tesla becomes an affordable brand for the masses, its a mute point.

A Hypercar is way more awesome than a Tesla, but yet again....only a very small % can afford one.

If you want a great build car, that is damn reliable, affordable, buy a Honda or Toyota.
 
If you want a great build car, that is damn reliable, affordable, buy a Honda or Toyota.

You can drive a Tesla beyond 200K miles without ever doing anything but replacing the tires.

You'd have to get an oil change several times in the Honda or Toyota. You'd need to change the gas. I'd be surprised if the engine didn't spring a leak somewhere in that time. And of course the tires need to be changed, and you'll have the range anxiety that comes with needing to find a gas station for every few hours you operate it.
 
You can drive a Tesla beyond 200K miles without ever doing anything but replacing the tires.

You'd have to get an oil change several times in the Honda or Toyota. You'd need to change the gas. I'd be surprised if the engine didn't spring a leak somewhere in that time. And of course the tires need to be changed, and you'll have the range anxiety that comes with needing to find a gas station for every few hours you operate it.

The day tesla makes a car as reliable and tough as a Toyota hilux, I'll agree to disagree :)

Also reliability is not about how often you service a car . Last I checked the tesla was more expansive with its regular service system than a BMW, which is more expansive than a Toyota or Honda .

Electric car does not mean it does not need to have scheduled services . Check tesla service intervals and costs....
 
The day tesla makes a car as reliable and tough as a Toyota hilux, I'll agree to disagree :)

Also reliability is not about how often you service a car . Last I checked the tesla was more expansive with its regular service system than a BMW, which is more expansive than a Toyota or Honda .

Electric car does not mean it does not need to have scheduled services . Check tesla service intervals and costs....

Tesla doesn't require that you follow their scheduled services. There's neither a penalty for not going nor a reason to go (they'll check for potential problems and fix them preemptively. Kind of like what people think a vehicle inspection is, but not legally required in any way.)
 
CR-V competes against Toyota RAV4, Maxda CX-5, Ford Escape, Nissan Rogue, Jeep Cherokee, Subaru Outback, etc. Technically it's called a compact SUV (or compact crossover), and it has now become the largest and fastest-growing vehicle segment, and the CR-V is the top seller in that segment. By some metrics it is now actually the top selling vehicle in America.

Resale value is not laughable, because with Hondas it means you can sell a 15-year old car for a decent chunk of change. Just try listing a Honda Accord for sale vs. a similar car from another brand and see what you get more calls about. It also means higher trade-in values because dealers jack up the prices on used Hondas. When I was in college, I bought a used CR-V for $4600 that needed a few things fixed. I put about $1000 total into it, drove it for 3 years, and sold it for $6000 to buy my Acura.

By sporty manners, I'm talking about tighter steering and suspension, shorter-throw gearboxes, engines that are designed to be revved really high, etc. I'm not talking about RWD muscle car sportiness or giant HP/lb-ft figures. Try driving a V6 Accord Coupe, or a Prelude, or a Civic Si, or an S2000.
Why is craigslist filled with 2000 and newer hondas for $1500? Because you found an ass for your crv seat does not mean they all sell for more than they are worth. I'm good with not trying a Honda. I'll stick with my current setup. I said I was trolling bro you shouldn't have responded. Enjoy your Honda, but remember it's a Honda not anything special.
And top of the SUV class? Woohoo pop the cork

My 10 year old subie is still worth $22,000. My 67 Camaro gains value everyday. That's resale value
 
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I'm assuming this isn't wireless Carplay, otherwise wireless would have been specifically mentioned (?).


Just purchased a 2017 Honda CRV touring. Carplay only works with USB cable. I managed to lock up the screen on demo I tried out and wife experienced the same in the car we purchased so I'm not optimistic. We had a 2014 which had issues with iPhone connected to USB also and Honda never addressed it either. only to say it wasn't compatible so they wouldn't have to provide tech support.
 
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