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how can you stack and link mac minis together and why? I didn't think this was possible. I imagined anyone looking for extra power would opt for the Mac Pro instead of buying few mac minis.

Heartbeat/fail-over would be one and there are products like vSMP ServerOne that do allow you to span multiple systems and act as a single node but that isn’t a Mac product. However aside from a special requirement or need I don’t the benefit to this. It would be cheaper and more powerful to just go out and buy a bunch of single board PCs.

If someone else knows of a Mac specific product that allows to stack multiple systems and act as a single host for general computing(not specialized processing). I would be interested as well.
 
I was incredibly disappointed by the Mini. I was looking for an updated, current-spec $500 or maybe $550 way to replace my 2012 Mini and let me stay in the Mac ecosystem. The old machines were supposed to be affordable ways to have a Mac. That's gone now. Most people's incomes have not risen 60% over the last 6 years to match these price increases. In fact, the middle class in the USA has probably seen real income go up only, what, 5% or something? Going up to $800 is an awful leap, at least to people who saw the Mini as I did -- and on top of that you'd have to get external storage to compensate for this ridiculous 120GB storage. So I don't think I will be replacing my old Mini with a new one, after all, which is a massive disappointment. Nor do I think I will be replacing my $600 iPad Pro with a $1000 one -- something else I'd been excited for. It's sad times. And of course the new MBA is so expensive, too. I've got a longstanding connection to the Mac platform dating back to the 80s and I'm pretty sad to have to leave it. My income level is just not what Apple is targeting anymore. It's pretty amazing to me that these tech journalists don't get what has happened here with these prices.


Well, the 2012 i7 Mini wasn't 499 either. What model do you have?
I got the base 2012 i7 with 4GB and a 1TB hard disk for about 700 (in 2014, half a year before the 2014 models appeared) from an online-auction site here (shrink-wrapped but from a private seller), then I spent another 700-something on 512GB SSD and 16 GB RAM. I think the list-price would have been something around 1300 or so for that, 1600 for the 2014 model, IIRC. All local currency, but with tax (but exchange rate is currently almost 1:1).

Personally, I cannot understand comments like yours. It's been obvious for years that prices are never going to go down in Apple-land. Apple only cares for the top-end of the market - because there's simply not enough money in the low-end to maintain their level of quality and service (and their profit-margins).

A 2018-i7 with 16GB and 512GB SSD is about 2k in local currency. That's 33.33 per month over five years.
Excluding the display(s).

Unless my 2012 Mini breaks, I'm likely not going to replace it soon. Maybe not even next year (I'm trying to maintain a six-year replacement cycle on hardware). Maybe I can get a used 2018 in 2020. Apple supports them long enough with OS updates and you usually get security-updates for the old OSs for a while, too. So, buying a used one in 2020 and using it for five or six years is actually realistic.

I just had a look and similar non-Apple systems aren't easily available. Most have a larger form-factor. The cheaper ones have less ports.
Lenovo has some nice systems. But then, it's Lenovo.

As for your observations on the US economy and household-incomes: to the best of my knowledge, this has been the case since the 80s of the last century. It was in part offset by women supplying additional household-income instead of staying at home. This trend is likely to continue if consumers like yourself continue to buy the cheapest stuff available and employers continuing to depress wages (because consumers buy something cheaper).
Though forgive me for pointing out that in a country where a majority still believes it's better not everybody has a health-insurance and a visit to the ER can bankrupt people, there are more pressing issues than a MacMini or an iPad that is a couple of hundred dollars to expensive.
 
Unnecessary, you can network the minis using thunderbolt 3 and get 20Gb bi-directionally between each link.
This is going through IP right - what kind of latency do one get doing this?
IIRC, theoretically were talking a couple of us (compared to typical ethernet ~100us).
It would be totally awesome if you could use the TB ports to create a "mini infiniband" network of sorts right on your desktop!
*googling "mpi over pcie"* :p
 
This is going through IP right - what kind of latency do one get doing this?

Don't know, never even tried it. Just knew that would be my approach when I wanted to do a Mac mini cluster for an artificial intelligence project a few years ago. Thunderbolt fundamentally was always a networking standard, it's how daisy chaining is possible @ bi-directional device-to-device communication (aka network of devices). People just tend to think of computers to monitors to external HD communication, instead of "device-to-device" which inherently "a computer can be another device" might fit (one can even introduce an ethernet device along the chain to bridge ethernet networks, hence the simple / direct thunderbolt to ethernet adapter Apple sells) ... but it's like the coaxial networks of old.
 
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For Steve's sake - will there ever be a 15" laptop again(MacBook, Pro or Air) without that stupid touch bar?

My 2010 MacBook Pro with matte display (last one ever with this option I think) is still running but no Mojave for me and I feel like I could upgrade at last.

However - with this current line I'll have to go with the 2015 models - no TB, no dongles, good keyboard, all the ports I need...
 
Anyone got / know of Geekbench scores on these, multicore? 6 core / 12 threads, I am thinking has to be in the 22000 plus range....not bad at all...

Also, one has to upgrade $200 to the i7 to get the hyperthreading / 12 threads... i5 no hyperthreading. $1299 for that, and only 8 GB RAM... not feeling good about that at all...but somewhere here I think there is a link that has a franken Mac / PC and the costs are very close I suppose? Would like to see that... At least we are back to upgradable SO-DIMMs, that can be done whenever...thank God for that...
 
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Now Mac mini is excellent. The only downfall is the integrated GPU and a well specced confit will be very expensive. You get quad and hexa CPUs, 4 TB3, HDMI and 2 USB 3.1 type A ports. Great Ethernet as well. With an added eGPU this can be a better machine than an iMac paired with a good quality display of course.

Apple should’ve introduced new TB3 cinema displays to go with these. They are leaving money on the table as usual.

The TB3 Cinema Displays will likely roll out when the new Mac Pro is ready in 2019. I do think they're going to happen.
 
I don't think 128Gb is enough though, and 8Gb RAM these days on a Mac is really limiting. I just don't see a large population of people buying the base model as a desktop.

For HTPC, those days are really over, with Apple TV 4K and the gazillion other streaming devices being 90% of the market.

For arcade machines, Raspberry Pi is king.

I just don't see it. Apple always has been expensive, but they are getting more expensive, and competition is much closer these days.

The ATV 4 and 4K are truly great devices but they’re locked down unless you pay for a $100/yr dev account. A Mac Mini can allow you to run anything you want. If paired with an eGPU it might even be possible to play PC games via boot camp on someone’s main 55-75” TV.

I agree about the Pi being a more affordable solution but there are games from the PS2/Xbox era and perhaps some more demanding Arcade titles that the Pi is too weak to handle which the Mac mini will have no trouble with.
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The integrated GPU is not "horrible" or even just passable by any stretch.. it is pretty good....


It’s light eats ahead of what Intel did with the X3100 a decade ago but it’s still not on the Iris/Iris Pro level. Since these are on desktop CPUs they will be a lot stronger than the equivalent iGPU on the 15/28/45w mobile chips.
 
You don't seem to be that familiar with the specs variations on the old MacBook air. My 2015 Air has a 2.2Ghz intel core I7 cpu.
My Air 2012 has i7 8Gb Ram and 512Gb SSD. Still works awesome with liquid metal on CPU.
[doublepost=1541018879][/doublepost]Want to ask apple's lovers folks... What is the reason to buy mini if you have Intel NUC with G-CPU that you could upgrade by your own for affordable price?
What is the reason to buy a new Mac's Air/Pros if you have Dell XPS and others great laptops?
P.S. Write this post on Dell XPS 9560 with i7-7700/4k touch-display/32Gb RAM/1Tb SSD/1050 Nvidia GPU/97W battery/touch id/all necessary connections like 2 USB/HDMI/TB port and SD card reader for 1500$ price.
 
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Do you understand that in the world of technology, outside of today's Apple, that capacity and performance increases over time whilst prices reduce?
*shrug* Performance sure increased. CPU, GPU, SSD, and IO are all much improved. I’m not saying it’s a good deal as I still feel like SATA SSDs are plenty fast for average consumers. But I still feel the prices have stayed about the same, they just dropped the HDD configurations.

Edit: And frankly no one should be subjected to running macOS on an HDD anymore. It’s just a bad experience.
 
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Apple will kill off its PC range beforehand.

Unless iPad gets keyboard / mouse / support 3rd party applications / file system, it won't be a full replacement.

I think PC and Apple will be around together for a long time.
I think Ipad Pro is powerful enough to run Mojave - it can run via Bluetooth Keyboard or use fingertip/pen.
 
Is there a MacBook Pro configuration with new Vega Pro dGPU option without turd bar?
 
Don't know, never even tried it. Just knew that would be my approach when I wanted to do a Mac mini cluster for an artificial intelligence project a few years ago. Thunderbolt fundamentally was always a networking standard, it's how daisy chaining is possible @ bi-directional device-to-device communication (aka network of devices). People just tend to think of computers to monitors to external HD communication, instead of "device-to-device" which inherently "a computer can be another device" might fit (one can even introduce an ethernet device along the chain to bridge ethernet networks, hence the simple / direct thunderbolt to ethernet adapter Apple sells) ... but it's like the coaxial networks of old.

clustering generally only works for batch based processing because of the overhead that the TCP/IP stack and it's entire "copper" pathways introduce.

for live, real time processing, there's really no great clustering that I know of especially available outside of mainframe loads. Heck, even with multi-CPU machines, crossing processing over one CPU to the other can introduce minor performance bottlenecks.

where clustering makes the most sense would be load balancing and high availability.
 
Add $1.500 here for 1.5TB version.... Do you really need THAT much SSD when external drives are cheaper ? or does performance favor?
 
The ATV 4 and 4K are truly great devices but they’re locked down unless you pay for a $100/yr dev account. A Mac Mini can allow you to run anything you want. If paired with an eGPU it might even be possible to play PC games via boot camp on someone’s main 55-75” TV.

I agree about the Pi being a more affordable solution but there are games from the PS2/Xbox era and perhaps some more demanding Arcade titles that the Pi is too weak to handle which the Mac mini will have no trouble with.

Here's the thing though - as a full-blown PC, you will need a better spec'ed version - i5/16Gb RAM/512Gb SSD is a good middle-ground. That will cost you $1,500, but it is still lacking graphics processing for any involved gaming. eGPU, if you stay with Apple, is another $800, and I do not believe you can use it with boot camp (yet).

From the price-point perspective, it just doesn't make sense for most people. I get fringe cases, but the main selling point of prior Minis - cheapest way to get Mac OS X - is gone. Desktop PCs are mostly used for heavy load processing, gaming, and because you still have an old one and don't want to just throw it out. Mini is not a good fit for any of these.
 
I think you are comparing apples to oranges. That $499 Mini was 4gb RAM and 1tb HDD. If you bumped it to 8gb RAM and 256gb SSD I believe it was right about the same $799 (actually was $899 I think) as the new one with those same specs (edit:turns out it’s just 128gb). And the new mini is WAY more powerful.


The problem with this is that in 4 years, prices have also come down in general on computer parts.

8gb today costs what 4gb 5 years ago cost.

The CPU's of today, are generally in line with the cost of the CPU's 5 years ago. Despite greater performance.

Trying to say "Well this one is faster and 5 years new so it must be worth x amount more" completely ignores the fact that overall, computer hardware in general (the components) have actually decreased in cost due to manufacturing efficiencies.

it's why 20 yearsa ago, a 2gb hard drive cost a few thousand dollars and today a 2tb drive costs only a couple hundred, yet is unmeasurably faster and better in every aspect.

I'm willing to bet that the cost to Apple for 8gb today is less than it was for the 4gb of the old model. That cost saving is not being passed to the consumer but being kept as part of profit margins.
 
Why does the MacBook Air only have BT 4.x, and not BT 5.0? Odd decision. BT5.0 modules are extremely cheap.
 
clustering generally only works for batch based processing because of the overhead that the TCP/IP stack and it's entire "copper" pathways introduce.

for live, real time processing, there's really no great clustering that I know of especially available outside of mainframe loads. Heck, even with multi-CPU machines, crossing processing over one CPU to the other can introduce minor performance bottlenecks.

where clustering makes the most sense would be load balancing and high availability.


Understandable, and interesting. However, I didn't mean a typical computer cluster, but rather a cluster by definition or logical cluster. In my case it was more like various lobes of a single brain, with each lobe / node dedicated to processing specific tasks ... but akin to load-balancing.
 
Understandable, and interesting. However, I didn't mean a typical computer cluster, but rather a cluster by definition or logical cluster. In my case it was more like various lobes of a single brain, with each lobe / node dedicated to processing specific tasks ... but akin to load-balancing.

i'm not particularly sure of how you'd manage this. sounds similar to a hyperconverged platform. they do exist, they are insanely fast and can do similar to what you described.

it could be theoretically possible with MacMini's. But it will end up depending on your CVM controller. At this point i'd warrant that a well outfitted Mini would be functionally from a hardware perspective capable of it.
 
i'm not particularly sure of how you'd manage this. sounds similar to a hyperconverged platform. they do exist, they are insanely fast and can do similar to what you described.

It could be theoretically possible with MacMini's. But it will end up depending on your CVM controller. At this point i'd warrant that a well outfitted Mini would be functionally from a hardware perspective capable of it.

@ Controller ... never went as far as working out the programmatic logic, but we would've coded it from scratch. Five years ago, I conceived it as a modular downscalable specialized-learning system that handles the simultaneous requests of our 30 employee office. Only worked out the features, security, and base skill logics though, as I intended on conveying those things to a knowledgable team. I preferred that each location had a single mind (with lobes), but was open to ideas, and conceived alternate approaches like a complex hive mind / swarm, as feature-wise it already had hive learning traits (between the various locations / offices).

It'll probably be pursued next year.
 
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