The 2018 XPS 13 seems to use more than two lanes as it gets the full 3.1GB/s reads according to this:
Again, the lack of ANY MENTION of the model XPS 13 they used in the testing leaves everything up to speculation and guessing.
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The 2018 XPS 13 seems to use more than two lanes as it gets the full 3.1GB/s reads according to this:
Again, the lack of ANY MENTION of the model XPS 13 they used in the testing leaves everything up to speculation and guessing.
What is the source of the screenshot? Also, that appears to say 527 Mb/s write, not >1Gb/s like you just said.
Avtella said it. Samsung SM951 in the 256GB XPS 13 SKU:
Also, see my reference to the benchmark of the 2018 XPS 13.
This post panders to the false pretense that having a dedicated GPU is only for gamers or video editors. Not the case. Having a better GPU makes things like resizing windows and animations a whole lot smoother OS-wide. Every single computer besides the most cheapo trash should have some kind of a dedicated GPU. This being a very expensive computer, I definitely think that intel integrated graphics is especially egregious
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I have no problem with them going with AMD. I have a problem with them trying to market a laptop with integrated graphics as a pro notebook at these prices
https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/02/dell-xps-13-review-2018/
It also is higher than the 339MB/s like the review says.
Now we’re getting somewhere
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9350-i7-6560U-QHD-Ultrabook-Review.159487.0.html
Still weaker than a 3 year old MBP.
According to notebookcheck it’s pretty much a parts lottery for the SSDs, which would explain the discrepancy with the figures in the OP. They probably got a Toshiba part.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/How-t...-Dell-XPS-13-9350-as-an-example.168535.0.html
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Unsurprisingly they sent the fastest (well, least slow) ones to notebookcheck for review.
So, after all that, were are we? Oh yes, “2018 MacBook Pro features the fastest SSD ever in a laptop”. Meanwhile we’re looking at machines with SSDs that are 4-6 times slower and no-one has successfully contested the contention of the thread.
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Indeed. Parts lottery.
I'm sure you're smarter than this. You're saying that there is no other laptop in existence that has a faster SSD than the Macbook Pro 2018? Those 5 cherry-picked laptops in the review are hardly representative of the current 2018 technology, and anyone with a Samsung 970 PRO NVMe SSD (3500 and 2700 MB/s read and write speed) in a Windows notebook would be a great candidate to contest that statement.
Unfortunately, Blackmagic isn't available for Windows, and the lame review doesn't state how they tested Windows so again, you can poke holes in anything anyone says because there isn't anything concrete in the review for Windows.
For someone who keeps complaining about a lack of facts, you sure don’t like to bring any. Go ahead and present some evidence if you have any. We’re at 12 pages and no-one has managed it.
So I won't invest much time in this as there is no Windows notebook that runs Blackmagic, so it isn't a true comparison, but it seems you're itching for any evidence of faster numbers in a Windows notebook, so here you go:
Samsung 970 Pro. Sequential writes exceed the Macbook Pro as do the reads. Here is the review:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3268829/storage/samsung-970-pro-ssd-review.html
And that comes *standard* in what laptop exactly?
Apples *standard* hard drive is the fastest of any manufacturer currently. I don’t get why that seems to piss people off who are always griping about “nickel and diming”.
Uhh no. 970 evo is tlc not mlc that’s why it’s much cheaper. Cheaper component cheaper price.
Matebook what a pos, doesn’t compare to the MacBook Pro.
Actually, since I’ve done all the fact checking for the rest of the thread.
I found similar numbers on a Schenker laptop. Unfortunately, the numbers you present don’t represent the same workload as BlackMagic. You have to look at the plain sequential read/write numbers, not the Queue depth 32 ones. BlackMagic writes and reads a single file, no queue. The 970 Pro is found wanting.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...-GTX-1060-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.315660.0.html
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It would certainly be nice to see QD32 numbers for the MBP. The controller plays an even bigger role then.
I found similar numbers on a Schenker laptop. Unfortunately, the numbers you present don’t represent the same workload as BlackMagic. You have to look at the plain sequential read/write numbers, not the Queue depth 32 ones. BlackMagic writes and reads a single file, no queue. The 970 Pro is found wanting.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...-GTX-1060-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.315660.0.html
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It would certainly be nice to see QD32 numbers for the MBP. The controller plays an even bigger role then.
I did not see any advertisements but smasung for their new storage devices showing such a huge difference between read and write speeds.Soemthing is majorly wrong when write speeds are that slow compared to read speeds
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With an upgrade to the 970 Pro might make the performance numbers look more competitive. They were after pride though where Apple was not.
Here’s a different XPS 13 SKU looks like a SGX5 with updated firmware.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9370-i5-8250U-4K-UHD-Laptop-Review.279736.0.html
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9370-i5-8250U-4K-UHD-Laptop-Review.279736.0.html
Those are way better indeed. Looks like the drive was being gimped by a controller firmware bug, as you say.
This is why I get why Apple gimped Qualcomm modems to be close to Intel ones. Standardization is important. Mixing and matching different performing drives/firmwares for the same SKU/price can be annoying/unfair especially if you were the one who were on the short end of the stick. Fortunately Dell does provide replacement drives if you btch about it in a nice way but still an unnecessary hassle.
My sis was lucky to get a 9350 with a a good drive.
Hardware lotteries suck. When you’re paying the same as the guy next and they get a better product, it is not ok. Apple are as guilty of this as anyone too.
The 960 Pro 2 TB (there is no 2 TB 970 for sale yet) is $1200 + $1500 for the MateBook X Pro and you're at $2700.
That's $1000 less than the MacBook Pro, and unlike the MacBook, it has a dGPU with CUDA and VRAM.
There's nothing about the MateBook that makes it a pos, it has excellent reviews and performance. High brightness 3:2 display with exceptional color accuracy, solid keyboard and trackpad, a mix of ports, great battery life, etc.
So what’s your BlackMagic 5Gb stress test read/write speed?
Edit: never mind.
About 50 read, 60 write on the original 5200 spinning rust drive
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It's absurd to suggest that a dedicated GPU is required for smooth UI.
Agreed. If the OS needs a dedicated GPU to do a 60FPS UI, then the OS needs a lot of work.
Laptop Mag Author: Oh no the readers are mad at my incompetent review.
Laptop Mag Author 1 hr later: Nevermind they’re fighting amongst themselves, I’m in the clear. Time to start the cycle with another article.
As for GPU, regardless of Windows or MAC we reached the point where integrated can handle UI smoothly with transparency and other bells and whistles years ago. Even most Windows laptops with 4K like my Inspiron 7577 use the integrated GPU for everything other than games as the display is routed via integrated anyway, it’s pretty smooth and saves battery life. Pretty sure the MBP 15 works the same way.
The nVidia/AND cards are only directly connected to the display in a few high end models at the cost of battery life.
Laptop Mag Author 1 hr later: Nevermind they’re fighting amongst themselves, I’m in the clear. Time to start the cycle with another article.
As for GPU, regardless of Windows or MAC we reached the point where integrated can handle UI smoothly with transparency and other bells and whistles years ago. Even most Windows laptops with 4K like my Inspiron 7577 use the integrated GPU for everything other than games as the display is routed via integrated anyway, it’s pretty smooth and saves battery life. Pretty sure the MBP 15 works the same way.
The nVidia/AND cards are only directly connected to the display in a few high end models at the cost of battery life.
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