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2018 MacBook Pro Features 'Fastest SSD Ever' in a Laptop According to Benchmarks

pl1984 said:
I have questions about the Laptop Magaizine benchmarks.
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Why? The result is within the realm of reason, and in fact well below Apple's stated specs. If the benchmark had exceeded specs then being sceptic would be warranted, but as it stands now it doesn't make much sense.

Large block size linear read or write is not a very good benchmark as far as real-world performance is concerned, but this figure still seems reasonable.
 
Feenician said:
Which is relevant to a thread about SSD speeds because...
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Because that SSD is in a supposedly "Pro" machine (which isn't).
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Tech198 said:
And that will be an expensive loss..... Something you wouldn't even wanna DIY yourself
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I've extended the life of my 2010 MacBook Pro (back when that term actually meant something) by easily upgrading the drive and memory. No can do with this new "Pro" *cough cough* machine.
 
Jethro! said:
Because that SSD is in a supposedly "Pro" machine (which isn't).
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I've extended the life of my 2010 MacBook Pro (back when that term actually meant something) by easily upgrading the drive and memory. No can do with this new "Pro" *cough cough* machine.
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Need a trip down to Shenzhen, in China. They can do anything there :);)
 
chucker23n1 said:
Yup. These results are sketchy. You can definitely get non-Apple laptops with SSD speeds in the gigabytes per second.

There's also too little information. What GPU did the Dell model they tested have? Could it be that the MateBook and the ZenBook have virtually the same GPU results because they have the same GPU? Why is the multicore benchmark best by a long shot on the MacBook — did they not test against other Coffee Lake CPUs?
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I'm also really surprised and confused by the GPU results. I get why the MateBook and the ZenBook would come out way ahead, since they have a discrete card, but the Spectre and the XPS 13 both use an integrated card--the Intel UHD 620--and the benchmarks for that GPU are worse by a factor of 50% compared to even the Intel Iris 650, which is what the 2017 MBP has. It's possible that a difference in GPU drivers would have some impact between Windows and Mac, but not so much that an inferior card would come out that much ahead. Anyone have an idea of what would cause such a discrepancy?
 
Feenician said:
That would be limited by gigabit Ethernet. Once again, BlackMagic does not copy a file. It has a 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1Gb test. That would make the app 15Gb plus change if it worked by simply copying an existing file.
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That’s a relevant, on-topic post in a thread about SSD performance.
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The article also mentioned things other than SSD. Don’t like it? Ask the MacRumors writers themselves to stay on topic.
 
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I'm also really surprised and confused by the GPU results. I get why the MateBook and the ZenBook would come out way ahead, since they have a discrete card, but the Spectre and the XPS 13 both use an integrated card--the Intel UHD 620--and the benchmarks for that GPU are worse by a factor of 50% compared to even the Intel Iris 650, which is what the 2017 MBP has. It's possible that a difference in GPU drivers would have some impact between Windows and Mac, but not so much that an inferior card would come out that much ahead. Anyone have an idea of what would cause such a discrepancy?
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Windows uses DirectX and I think Dirt 3 uses a barely supported OpenGL.
 
eulslix said:
You can repeat your funny opinion as often as you like, which won't make it more true. It's not up to you to decide which form factor suits which form of application, just because apples lineup covers it in exactly that way. There's a lot of laptops out there packing decent GPUs like a 1050 into a 13 inch form factor, and many people working in the 3D industry prefer to have such a small form factor machine next to their workstation at home. And some of these laptops even manage to improve upon the MBPs battery life, despite the powerful components...

Stop being so pretentious as a justification for your Apple agenda, it's just ridiculous
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You are clearly wrong that the average 13” laptop buyer wants or needs a beefy dedicated GPU, particularly the average Apple 13” user. If it were needed on any big scale, it would be available.

Apple understands their customers. They have more customer data than you can imagine. They beefed up GPUs for the 15” model because they know their customers wanting better GPUs will buy that one.

Love how focus groups of one think they understand the overall market better than Apple. Apple’s Mac strategy is working well and if 13” Mac Pro users wanted better GPU performance than what is offered, it would exist.

It really is that freaking simple. Stop acting like you have any consumer insight besides your own.
 
Baymowe335 said:
You are clearly wrong that the average 13” laptop buyer wants or needs a beefy dedicated GPU, particularly the average Apple 13” user. If it were needed on any big scale, it would be available.

Apple understands their customers. They have more customer data than you can imagine. They beefed up GPUs for the 15” model because they know their customers wanting better GPUs will buy that one.

Love how focus groups of one think they understand the overall market better than Apple. Apple’s Mac strategy is working well and if 13” Mac Pro users wanted better GPU performance than what is offered, it would exist.

It really is that freaking simple. Stop acting like you have any consumer insight besides your own.
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If Apple would understand their consumers, there would be no need for an external GPU... I'm writing on a Surface Book 2 (15 inch, ironically), a machine that exceeds the MBPs battery life and yet has the same GPU power as a MBP with the new external GPU. All while being released almost a year earlier. Do I need it professionally? Yes. Do I know other people who need it professionally? Yes.
Microsoft has shown it's doable and yet Apple refuses to put a powerful GPU into it's Pro laptops, but let you pay for a third party tool which you can't even conveniently take with yourself. THAT is NOT a sign of understanding your customers, it's just an economical decision, which from Apples perspective makes perfect sense, but not from the consumer side.

I know tons of people, many of them come from the CG research field, who prefer 13 inch displays due to portability reasons (lectures vs research vs presentations). Aside from AMD cards being mostly unreliable for research, Apples mobile GPUs are certainly underpowered for their use cases. I'm pretty sure I can name you many more industries that rely on a lot of graphics power professionally. But they just don't fit into Apples wisely chosen target audience.
That's fine and all, I understand Apple wants to stay as profitable as possible, but stop ********ting everybody by claiming 13 inch laptops with GPU power are not a thing, as it's simply not true. If you claim your laptop is for professionals and ask Apple premium for it, than better make sure that your GPU doesn't suck. If your laptop is catered for the average person... well then maybe, just maybe you shouldn't market it as a pro device...

I like the idea of the MBP, I still keep my old one around, but there's just way better alternatives for my use cases now and Apple charges way too high of a price to deal with all their downsides.
 
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eulslix said:
If Apple would understand their consumers, there would be no need for an external GPU... I'm writing on a Surface Book 2 (15 inch, ironically), a machine that exceeds the MBPs battery life and yet has the same GPU power as a MBP with the new external GPU. All while being released almost a year earlier. Do I need it professionally? Yes. Do I know other people who need it professionally? Yes.
Microsoft has shown it's doable and yet Apple refuses to put a powerful GPU into it's Pro laptops, but let you pay for a third party tool which you can't even conveniently take with yourself. THAT is NOT a sign of understanding your customers, it's just an economical decision, which from Apples perspective makes perfect sense, but not from the consumer side.

I know tons of people, many of them come from the CG research field, who prefer 13 inch displays due to portability reasons (lectures vs research vs presentations). Aside from AMD cards being mostly unreliable for research, Apples mobile GPUs are certainly underpowered for their use cases. I'm pretty sure I can name you many more industries that rely on a lot of graphics power professionally. But they just don't fit into Apples wisely chosen target audience.
That's fine and all, I understand Apple wants to stay as profitable as possible, but stop ********ting everybody by claiming 13 inch laptops with GPU power are not a thing, as it's simply not true. If you claim your laptop is for professionals and ask Apple premium for it, than better make sure that your GPU doesn't suck. If your laptop is catered for the average person... well then maybe, just maybe you shouldn't market it as a pro device...

I like the idea of the MBP, I still keep my old one around, but there's just way better alternatives for my use cases now and Apple charges way too high of a price to deal with all their downsides.
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One with good specs is not cheap and on the Windows site it has a 3.5 star review rating. So obviously there are many issues with it as well

A 15” with the i7,512GB and 16 RAM is around $2899 which is also not cheap.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-book-2/8mcpzjjcc98c?activetab=pivot:overviewtab
 
stylinexpat said:
One with good specs is not cheap and on the Windows site it has a 3.5 star review rating. So obviously there are many issues with it as well

A 15” with the i7,512GB and 16 RAM is around $2899 which is also not cheap.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-book-2/8mcpzjjcc98c?activetab=pivot:overviewtab
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If you ask me, it's basically the Mac equivalent on the Windows side. Glued components, premium price, questionable ports... you get the drill. I think that the high price tag and the production issues near release (which I thankfully skipped because I owned my new MBP back then) are the main reason for these ratings - rightfully so.

It's an incredible device to me, as it's basically everything I was loving about the Macs in the past. It's a high quality build, with top performing components and intuitive/innovative kinds to interact with it. As a UX designer and hobby game dev/video creator, it offers me all the flexibility I need during my everyday life, sacrificing no mobility and giving me always the resources I need. It basically ticks off all the boxes and that's why I personally would still recommend it for it's price. But for most other people with GPU demands the XPS is the way to go.

On the hardware side, PC just wins nowadays. Software/UX wise Microsoft still plays catch up, but they're getting really close now. Give them 2 more years, if Apple doesn't get it's **** together.
 
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They took the file system into account. This is indeeed superior hardware to anything on the market. As much as Apple haters will cringe, these laptops smoke any POS windows garbage, including the XPS that looks pathetic next to it
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mrzz said:
95%+ of the users won't notice ANY difference comparing to the previous generation as it was very fast even in the previous gen. I'm convinced that 90%+ (or more) of the users would exchange a faster SSD with Magsafe, one USB-A, SD card reader, HDR screen with smaller bezels (I still can't believe that didn't improve the screen in such regard .. in 2018!), a real "pro" device without touch bar, a better type of keyboard and Nvidia dGPU instead of crippled expensive laptop introducing dongle hell (80%+ of accessories are still not USB-C ready so 4xUSB-C only is total BS for majority of users even in 2018). Then I would not hesitate a sec to pay ~USD4500!! (in EU store) for a "regular" 15" 2.6GHz 16GB 1TB laptop. I still can't believe what they've managed to do to a great laptop that ended in 2015. Is this the true value device?? Maybe for 5%. Unfortunately I prefer MacOS over Win10, otherwise I would not even think about the current MPB lineup. This is not a value laptop for most. I love MPB, but this is over the top what I can accept. And ask ~USD10K for maxed out version even with 4T SSD?? Are they serious? I would call it an exponential rip off as in this case there is no linear price increase at all. They try every single time what people can still accept. Honestly they don't care about users at all - users are just an instrument to get more and more $. What should people be happy about? Just grab this "amazing" piece and be happy. Majority of others have to wait again and just hope that it will get better next time.. What a sad picture of the current MBP lineup.
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Please cite your pathetic attempt at stats. No, most people don’t give a rats bleep about MagSafe, evidenced by actual sales. Power is power. Also, just walking around a college campus and my own employees use of MacBook Pros and very few use more than two TB3s, let alone 4. They also exclusively use USB-C accessories, as they are easy to find for anything. Your use of “most people” without any proof is laughable
 
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Jethro! said:
Because that SSD is in a supposedly "Pro" machine (which isn't).
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I've extended the life of my 2010 MacBook Pro (back when that term actually meant something) by easily upgrading the drive and memory. No can do with this new "Pro" *cough cough* machine.
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How is “extending life” PRO? I did too, then i bought a maxed 2012 rMBP and didnt NEED to extend it.

Pro means for professional not “replacable RAM”
 
Lennyvalentin said:
Why? The result is within the realm of reason, and in fact well below Apple's stated specs. If the benchmark had exceeded specs then being sceptic would be warranted, but as it stands now it doesn't make much sense.
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I have no issues with the number for the Apple system, I question the numbers for the comparison systems:
  1. Their numbers are inline with a SATA SSD speeds.
  2. Their numbers are significantly lower than the Apple system. The Apple system is 6.3 times faster than the fastest comparison system. That appears to be too significant a difference.
I am not saying that these numbers are wrong but there is reason to question them. Given this it seems perfectly reasonable to want to understand how the comparison systems were configured and how the testing was performed. I do not see why anyone would feel this is unreasonable.

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Large block size linear read or write is not a very good benchmark as far as real-world performance is concerned, but this figure still seems reasonable.
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My benchmark was meant to illustrate that merely having a number is pretty much meaningless. The 1.1 GB/s result I achieved on a spinning hard disk is completely unrealistic. While I did absolutely nothing to bias the test to achieve this result it is a valid result I obtained. No smoke and mirrors were used to obtain it.

Having said that it is perfectly reasonable for Feenician, and others, to question it. The result does not make sense given the information I provided (which is significantly more than the information we have from the Laptop Magazine comparison). What if I told you that the result was actually obtained on my 6,1 Mac Pro, with PCIe based SSD, and not the Mini I mentioned earlier? Does the result make more sense?
 
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Ploki said:
How is “extending life” PRO? I did too, then i bought a maxed 2012 rMBP and didnt NEED to extend it.

Pro means for professional not “replacable RAM”
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And professional means... expandable as you need it and can afford it. Not disposable.
 
So why is everybody so mad again?

*reads GPU performance benchmark* oh, that's why... :D
 
So it’s the editor and chief of laptop magazine.


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Guess that’s why the ssds are so expensive.
 
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