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Somebody please, grab a new MacBook Pro, pour some crumbs, some sugar or some sand over it, and test how it responds.

Are you crazy?

What about the controversy, the fear, uncertainty, doubt (FUD) that keep this readership coming back, and the "sponsors" coming in?

My "favorite" was when ConsumerReports claimed that the MBP had bad battery life, and all the "pros" on twitter, all the divas, started to "complain" about their MBP's. Then ConsumerReports and Apple found it was a bug, fixed it, and the test ran and came up with 18 hours of battery life (yes, 18), and then every diva SUDDENLY stopped complaining about the batt life.
 
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I love that sound. I love this keyboard, I can’t use any other keyboard since 2016
 
Hopefully the improvements made in the durability (dust prevention) of the keyboards had the side-effect of also making them quieter.

I can't imagine Apple went into the workshop specifically to fix the sound.


I agree with you. It doesn’t seem logical that Apple wouldn’t try to address the quality issue if it was costing them lots to repair all those key boards. Makes sense they would kill two birds with one stone.

Unless the key board design is fundemntally flawed and they will have to completely reengineer it. Apple already has problems water proofing the headphone jack (unlike other manufactures) so maybe that’s the issue
 
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Will the keyboard replacement program use the 3rd gen keys? or would that require a new base as well?
The 2016 replacements used 2017 keyboards after they were released, so Apple seem willing to save themselves the headache of repeated replacements where it does make a difference, I guess it depends on if the casing is subtly different, and whether they are willing to manufacture effectively new 2016 and 2017 machines with that case/ keyboard design if it is...
 
Don't people spend like $300 on mechanical noisy keyboards anyhow? Maybe next year users will complain about the actual effort to inhale oxygen.
 
Barely a difference but it sounds like the typist is going pretty hard on them so obviously real world mileage will vary.

Typing on my 2016 MBP is much more quiet than the Logitech Bluetooth keyboard I use for work.
 
I have the old classic keyboard with numbers and i love how quiet it is.
I got the 2017 model MBP and hate the keyboard. I could get used to the less travel time etc. but the sound is simply super annoying. That is simply a fail on Apple's part - they redesigned something to make it way worse and less convenient. Shame that we now how this ******** on our notebooks
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I don't mind the sound or the feel of the keyboard.

What I don't like is the fact that I need to carry a canister of compressed air with me in order to have a working keyboard.

Hopefully there is a silent change in the butterfly V3 to address this.
 
I notice a difference, but it's hard to say which one would bother me more in day to day use. I'd probably get used to it either way and not notice as I've never really noticed what my keyboard sounds like until testing it just now to compare to that video. Although, from my testing it does seem like my 13" late 2013 rMBP is quieter than both of those models in the video. I also use a keyboard cover which might dampen the sound a bit. I actually like the cover for my typing experience. I've gotten so used to it that it feels weird to type without it. And I have a really clean keyboard.

I do kind of wonder whether Apple is training us to expect a glass keyboard. In the product intro video for the first touchbar MBP, Jony Ive said that the touchbar was just the beginning of something new with laptops.

If they can get people to accept keys that have very little travel, maybe they think people would accept glass with haptic feedback or some other as until now unknown technology. They've already decided they can eliminate an entire row of keys. The touchbar isn't above a row of keys; it replaces an entire row. I personally wouldn't want one with it because I can adjust the volume, display and keyboard brightness, etc., without looking by feel. Maybe they'll have some technology that can accommodate "feel" eventually.
 
Ok, I get it. Besides the durability, color stability and comfort of watchbands, there is now another important technology discussion going on. Oh dear Apple, where will this end...
 
El oh el. They address a need that wasn't an issue and completely ignore an issue that's getting them multiple class action lawsuits. Tim Cook's Apple ladies and gentlemen.
 
Someone please drop a bag of dust in the keyboard just to finish the bubble.

Here's the problem of the keyboard: it's exclusive to Apple.

So the Apple haters will hate on it, only to have a "point" against buying a MacBook Pro against another crappy PC laptop that they won't buy either. /controversy

Nothing near that severe is needed for these keyboards to act up.
 
I wish they could seal the keyboard up so it's crumb and water proof.

Pricing is way out of hand now... whilst I appreciate the latest and greatest hardware comes at a premium, the fact you can't get a 15" MacBook now for less than £2,300 is ridiculous.

The killing of the 2015 MBP with all the ports a lot of people still need without any replacement apart from a bag of dongles is a strange decision IMO.
 
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Innovation of the year material this is.

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Hmmmmmmm.
 
terrible sound typing test. recorder placed the recording mechanism on the table itself so you can hear the thud reverberating from the pressure when typing on the keyboard transition onto the desk.

best way to record typing tests is to place a microphone directly over the keyboard using a boom mic of sorts.

anyhow, i prefer older apple keyboard switches, the likes from alps.

listen to this typing test. tactile orange alps so its meant to be loud fyi..

its using the apple extended keyboard internals (switch and keycaps) and placed in an AEK64 case (anodized aluminum)

 
Ha ha that is the funniest video sounds like a bunch of rats scratching their way out of a box.

Seriously the difference is not that profound. Why not just show us a video of the person typing instead of a green sound wave, we don’t even know what laptops these really are lol. User could also be pressing down harder on one over the other again we can’t see so this video is pretty useless. Ha
 
Will the keyboard replacement program use the 3rd gen keys? or would that require a new base as well?
My 2016 15" MBP top case with battery was replaced on 3 July 2018. Based on the recorded sound in the article and my recollection, it appears the replacement top case is the 3rd gen. design. FWIW, the part number is 605-02939 according to the Product Repair Summary.

(I normally use the MBP in clamshell mode with the Apple bluetooth keyboard with numeric pad and a trackpad. Based on limited testing, I like the more muffled or lower pitched sound of new keyboard better than the old one.)
 
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Far more interested to see how these perform under load. The 15" especially, since it has desktop-class DDR4 memory and a new hex-core processor with no new cooling techniques will, I think, begin to slow down relatively quickly into a pro workload. I'm surprised more people aren't asking about this on these boards, since it's a serious concern.
 
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