Not sure what you guys are arguing here. Maybe add in ‘mobile workstation’.Well I understand long periods found in simulations for say engineering would probably end up heating up a MBP....it would also heat up a Thinkpad workstation laptop.
For instance, the P52 has one heat pipe for the GPU and also has thermal issues.
They ALL will throttle under long periods of harsh CPU/GPU use.
As far as the cap on RAM, yea that is a true factor to think about.
You say that as if the P3200 Q-Max you can get in a Thinkpad now is a gimp.Not sure what you guys are arguing here. Maybe add in ‘mobile workstation’.
I would class it a thin and light mobile workstation, as it certainly doesn’t compete with the new Zbooks coming out with the new RTX Quadro GPU’s.
And yes it will get hot and bothered under sustained loads. It all depends on use really and what you want to do with it, and if you have a desktop for that really heavy work.
Depends on what you consider a workstation... there are definitely laptops sold as workstation that offer less performance than the MBP.Apple has stepped up to the plate with Novembers refresh with a Vega 20 and now an 8 core intel.....can we finally consider them a workstation able to boot Windows nativity?
The Quadro P3200 Max-Q in my Thinkpad is 75W so I guess that makes sense.Depends on what you consider a workstation... there are definitely laptops sold as workstation that offer less performance than the MBP.
If we talk about CPU performance, the current 15" MBP is within 30% (or so) of the fastest laptops on the market — which makes it the fastest mac laptop (in relative terns). At the same time, other laptops with same hardware and similar weigh /size can be slightly faster due to more aggressive cooling systems. In terms of GPU, Apple is still using sub 50W chips, so they can't compete with bigger cards, but in its segment, Vega Pro 20 was the top of the line (although at a very significant premium) until Nvidia released the GTX 1650. With this, premium windows laptops are again around 25% faster GPU-wise.
As to "being able to boot Windows natively", you had this ability for years and years? Not that its a good idea...
Why are you surprised that an 8 core computer is beating out a 6 core computer?I returned a spec'd out a 2019 MBP that ran a 3300 on Cinabench. I returned it for a P52 Thinkpad i7 6-core 2.6GHz and it just ran a 2238
I wouldn’t be buying any workstation without the new RTX GPUs in them. Just my opinion though and depends how much the gpu means to you I guess.You say that as if the P3200 Q-Max you can get in a Thinkpad now is a gimp.
Im just having a hard time not believing its all a bunch of hype that was started my engineers who do not know much about computers.Why are you surprised that an 8 core computer is beating out a 6 core computer?
2.6Ghz P52 is running a i7-8850H and the 2019 MBP you mention has a i9-9880H
You're comparing apples and oranges at this point. I'm not knocking either machine, but pointing out that the P52 is using an older generation 6 core processor and the current 2019 MBP is running the latest and greatest 8 core.
Why couldn't it, I'm not disagreeing.No reason why a Vega 20 with 16GB RAM and an 8-core i9 cant plow through large Solidworks assemblies or run lengthy simulations.
I can't answer that, and my ThinkPad X1E is an excellent machine, it was out performing a similarly equipped MBP due to improper cooling, its not a perfect machine but it suits my needs to a T.Just frustrated as I have gone back and forth buying and returning machines because of what I read on the internet.
Only issue I forsee is not reaping the benefits of Apples undervolt revamps in the 2019 MBP while in BootCamp.Why couldn't it, I'm not disagreeing.
I can't answer that, and my ThinkPad X1E is an excellent machine, it was out performing a similarly equipped MBP due to improper cooling, its not a perfect machine but it suits my needs to a T.
I give Apple props for making things right with the 2019 and its a better machine. If you're proclivity is towards the Mac platform, then get a MBP. If you're more platform agnostic, then save yourself some money and get a windows machine. These are just tools and you need to pick the right one that works best for you
I don't believe so, as apple has the chip locked down and so you cannot make any changes. I tried on my 2018 and was unsuccessful.Is there a way for me to mirror Apples undervolting in BootCamp?
No I want all resources allocated to Windows. All 32GB RAM etc.I don't believe so, as apple has the chip locked down and so you cannot make any changes. I tried on my 2018 and was unsuccessful.
If you're going to be running windows and this is totally my own opinion, then you're better off with a windows machine. While a mac can run windows, I've always run into minor but nagging issues, and of course heat, performance and battery life is subpar due to the lack of optimizations.
Would windows in a VM be an option?
I agree with @maflynn, if you are using windows mainly, get a windows machine due to the optimisations. I had loads of issues in the past with Bootcamp and throttling etc. and swore never to do the same again on a mbp.No I want all resources allocated to Windows. All 32GB RAM etc.
Are you saying the Vega 20 is doing everything as well as a desktop class Quadra P5000?I gotta say, I just got the maxed out MBP and I am extremely impressed.
I work in Maya (3D Animation) and had been using a 2018 i7 MBP previously and was getting about 17 fps in the scene I was animating. The new MBP is coming in at 27 fps. That might not seem like a huge difference but it is a HUGE increase. And it makes a big difference while working. It’s smooth like butter.
For reference, at work I use a “proper” workstation. Dell Precision T7910 24 core Xeon, 192 GB mem and Nvidia P5000 graphic card. In the same scene, it was also getting about 19 fps or so.
I can’t explain it (because really I’m an artist not a techie) But man am I pleased.
A lot of software is subject to diminishing returns when it comes to GPU performance. At some point, putting progressively faster GPUs in are going to show very little improvement. The reason for this is that bottleneck lies somewhere else and the software is not able to utilise the GPU to its fullest (either because of bad programming or because the nature of the workflow).Are you saying the Vega 20 is doing everything as well as a desktop class Quadra P5000?