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Ice Lake has 18% more IPC (instructions per cycle), so 4.1 * 1.18 = 4.8 ghz previous gen. About right, assuming that Geekbench isn't using those 2 extra cores.

That's actually rather disappointing. If it's only 18%, the 2018 high-end MBP 13 (2.8GHZ Kaby Lake) will actually be faster than the new high end one (2.3GHZ Ice lake) in thermally-limited situations (2.8GHZ vs. 2.3GHZ * 1.18 = 2.714GHZ) and only very slightly slower in full turbo situations (4.7GHZ vs. 4.838GHZ * 1.18).

After 2 years, I'd have expected at least 10-15% improvement on both.
 
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Agree with KPOM, I had the 2020 MBA i7 for about 3 weeks before returning it. I liked the machine, and it was faster than the 2016 m5 MB 12 it was replacing, but the 2020 MBP 13 10th gen just blows it away in performance. I thought the performance gap would be smaller. I’ve made a benchmark for myself for what I use these machines for: editing/processing/converting DSLR RAW files to JPG for clients while traveling. My MBP 16 is faster still but just too bulky to take on a plane.

I posted this on another thread:

Time to process convert to jpg 50 45MP Z7 files

2019 MBP 16 i9/32/2TB 1:48
2020 MBP 13 i7/32/2TB 2:15
2017 MBP 15 i7/16/1TB 3:17
2020 MBA 13 i7/16/1TB 3:47
2016 m5 MB 12 7:25

What’s surprising is how close the 2020 MBP 13 is to the octacore 2019 i9 MBP 16 (I think Lightroom isn’t taking advantage of all the cores)
Sometimes a shoot will be close to 2000 images between my partner and I, so that processor difference becomes over 30-40 minutes in difference of processing between a loaded 2020 MBA and a MBP 13


did you test these specs if not where did you find them? trying to decide between 2020 13inch vs 2019 16...coming from a 2016 mbp i7 quad core. I am a photographer and graphic designer.
 
Walk-in store (Adelaide - Australia) and got mine today: i7, 32gb ram, 2tb.
They had just received some 10th gen and the website still now does not even show them as available.
Not the first time I come to the conclusion it's faster to not order online and just go to the store...
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they had that spec in stock? awesome. hope they have that available across most stores.
 
did you test these specs if not where did you find them? trying to decide between 2020 13inch vs 2019 16...coming from a 2016 mbp i7 quad core. I am a photographer and graphic designer.
That's me doing my own benchmark. I loaded up 50 RAW files from my last wedding shoot (yes, it's been quite a few weeks, luckily I have other income), Set up export with sharpening and resizing to JPG and then timed them with my Apple Watch. Of course some other Lightroom/PS functions may use the GPU more and bring in a bigger performance delta as the MBP 16 has a true GPU, but I was impressed how close the 2020 MBP 13 was to my MBP 16 doing Lightroom export which is one of those things I hate waiting for. The 2020 MacBook Air was considerably slower in this regard.
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they had that spec in stock? awesome. hope they have that available across most stores.
Apple usually keeps an "ultimate edition" in stock. Meaning they pick out the likely most ordered BTO and stock that one alongside the base models in the store. You can usually tell on launch day by playing with the various configurations and seeing which one has a launch date that's closest the base models vs. the others. I noticed it when I picked i7, 32gb ram, 2TB had the delivery date same as the base models. All the other BTO's were weeks away.
 
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With CPUs there isn’t that much disparity in actual performance. Intel tests them so that similarly rated processors perform the same way. In other words, my 2.0 GHz Ice Lake i5 should perform the same as yours. It is true there is variability, but that’s taken into account when “binning” the chips. There is a chance that my i5 was capable of being finished as an i7 at 2.3 GHz, or could be overclocked so as to run as if it were an i7, but Intel certified it as an i5 at 2.0 GHz and the chip is programmed to run at those speeds.
Binning tells us the minimum, sure—but Apple/Intel aren't setting a max boost frequency, instead going by tdp and thermals, right? So it depends on the efficiency of particular chips and what boost speed they can sustain: on the whole, the i5s might overperform, for example. Plus there are issues like power/thermal throttling that limit the high end chips (see: i7 Mac Mini, i7 quadcore MBAs, etc.). Take 2019 13" MBP i5 vs i7: i7 has 16.6% higher min clock and 14.6% higher single core boost, but Geekbench multicore scores are only 7.5% higher. Cinebench R20 is only 5.9% percent higher (1702 vs. 1802 score, according to cpu-monkey.com). Is that worth a 10% price premium? (Or whatever the upcharge was last year.)

That's actually rather disappointing. If it's only 18%, the 2018 high-end MBP 13 (2.8GHZ Kaby Lake) will actually be faster than the new high end one (2.3GHZ Ice lake) in thermally-limited situations (2.8GHZ vs. 2.3GHZ * 1.18 = 2.714GHZ) and only very slightly slower in full turbo situations (4.7GHZ vs. 4.838GHZ * 1.18).

After 2 years, I'd have expected at least 10-15% improvement on both.
True, higher IPC is offset by lower frequencies on the new chips. But newer architecture, much faster ram, etc., will help, and the iGPU is considerably better. I think normally this would also give less power draw and better battery life too, but Apple says battery life is the same. Comparing 2019/2020 i7s, right now Geekbench multicore averages are 5–10% better, peak scores are 15% 10% better, on the new ones, and gains could be different in other areas.

Walk-in store (Adelaide - Australia) and got mine today: i7, 32gb ram, 2tb.
They had just received some 10th gen and the website still now does not even show them as available.
Not the first time I come to the conclusion it's faster to not order online and just go to the store...
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Thanks, do you have time to run Cinebench R20 a few times, and report score and turbo frequency during the second half of the test (via Intel Power Gadget)?

I'm curious if the i7 can maintain 3.3–3.4 ghz boost when cpu is fully loaded.
 
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what do you make of it?
 

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here you go, 4 runs back to back
what do you make of it?
Thanks! Compared to the Max Tech video, scores look about the same as the i5 (both around 1900–1915). A little hard to read the exact number from the frequency graphs, but looks like it's boosting ~ 3.1–3.2 ghz on i7 vs. ~3.0–3.1 ghz on i5. Not a big gap between them . . .
 
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Thanks! Compared to the Max Tech video, scores look about the same as the i5 (both around 1900–1915). A little hard to read the exact number from the frequency graphs, but looks like it's boosting ~ 3.1–3.2 ghz on i7 vs. ~3.0–3.1 ghz on i5. Not a big gap between them . . .
If you are referring to the Dell XPS vs. MacBook Pro comparison, the Dell i7 is the “15W” version (which can really go up to 25W).
 
If you are referring to the Dell XPS vs. MacBook Pro comparison, the Dell i7 is the “15W” version (which can really go up to 25W).
No, I'm referring to the 28W i5-1038NG7 in the 2020 MBP: see from 12:00
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I ran the averages of all the Geekbench scores so far. Thanks for the excellent code @supernaut42 !

single core / multicore
i5 = 1145 / 4246 (156 results)
i7 = 1178 / 4394 (64 results)

i7 difference = +2.9% / +3.5%
 
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Looking at the compute scores (OpenCL), which reflect GPU performance, the general gist for current models is:

MBA: 7000–8500
MBP 13" (2 ports): 6000–7500
MBP 13" i5 and i7: 8500–10000 (no significant difference between i5 and i7)
MBP 16" i7: 8500–10000
MBP 16" i7/i9 (Radeon): 25000–30000
 
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I am surprised how little performance delta there is between i5 and i7, so far at least. Maybe it will change as more people actually have the i7 variant in hand? In the past, the recommendation has always been that the i7 doesn't make sense from a performance versus price perspective. Is it possible that the i7 is a better chip with potentially better thermal performance and power draw (translating to better battery life)? In other words, could it possibly have other advantages aside from raw performance increase over i5?

I have a 2020 2.0Ghz 10th gen in hand and I am enjoying so far, but sort of agonizing over whether I should have sprung for the i7 upgrade.
 
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Thanks! Compared to the Max Tech video, scores look about the same as the i5 (both around 1900–1915). A little hard to read the exact number from the frequency graphs, but looks like it's boosting ~ 3.1–3.2 ghz on i7 vs. ~3.0–3.1 ghz on i5. Not a big gap between them . . .
I ran the averages of all the Geekbench scores so far. Thanks for the excellent code @supernaut42 !

single core / multicore
i5 = 1145 / 4246 (156 results)
i7 = 1178 / 4394 (64 results)

i7 difference = +2.9% / +3.5%
. . . And not so incidentally, 3.2 ghz is ~ 3% faster than 3.1 ghz.

I am surprised how little performance delta there is between i5 and i7, so far at least. [...] In the past, the recommendation has always been that the i7 doesn't make sense from a performance versus price perspective.
Maybe you shouldn't be so surprised. ;)

Is it possible that the i7 is a better chip with potentially better thermal performance and power draw (translating to better battery life)? In other words, could it possibly have other advantages aside from raw performance increase over i5?

Overall performance might not be the only item to consider. Normally are better binned chips so possible it can do it’s base clock at the same power draw as the i5 does its. Being that the base clock is a bit faster, that could result in quicker performance while keeping battery life the same.

I plan to use Endurance probably when I get mine and need maximum battery life.
Don't be surprised if you get 3% better battery life 😆
 
I am surprised how little performance delta there is between i5 and i7, so far at least. Maybe it will change as more people actually have the i7 variant in hand? In the past, the recommendation has always been that the i7 doesn't make sense from a performance versus price perspective. Is it possible that the i7 is a better chip with potentially better thermal performance and power draw (translating to better battery life)? In other words, could it possibly have other advantages aside from raw performance increase over i5?

I have a 2020 2.0Ghz 10th gen in hand and I am enjoying so far, but sort of agonizing over whether I should have sprung for the i7 upgrade.
Nah, be happy you saved some cash. I should've learned from the weak i7 upgrade for the 2020 MBA (which actually has double the performance benefit at 6-7%!), but I made the same mistake in wasting money on the i7 upgrade for the 2020 MBP too. It's only in desktops were the i7/i5 difference is real...
 
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Don't be surprised if you get 3% better battery life 😆

You're no doubt right here, the difference will be so small as to be unnoticeable plus in the margin of error levels. Still I'm not sure I'd have been able to sleep at night knowing 3% more battery life was in my grasp and I let it slip through my fingers ;)
 
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You're no doubt right here, the difference will be so small as to be unnoticeable plus in the margin of error levels. Still I'm not sure I'd have been able to sleep at night knowing 3% more battery life was in my grasp and I let it slip through my fingers ;)
A lot can happen in 20 minutes!
 
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. . . And not so incidentally, 3.2 ghz is ~ 3% faster than 3.1 ghz.


Maybe you shouldn't be so surprised. ;)




Don't be surprised if you get 3% better battery life 😆
You're probably right... I shouldn't be surprised! In the past, the conclusion was usually that the i7 was not worth the upgrade over the i5 in the 13" Pro. I don't know... 3% better battery may be worth $200 bucks... LOL
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Nah, be happy you saved some cash. I should've learned from the weak i7 upgrade for the 2020 MBA (which actually has double the performance benefit at 6-7%!), but I made the same mistake in wasting money on the i7 upgrade for the 2020 MBP too. It's only in desktops were the i7/i5 difference is real...
True... if I could compare them side-by-side I may consider it, but no way to get my hands on an i7 variant right now. Ignorance is bliss!

Thanks for the info! Either way it's a great machine; enjoy it!
 
Reading though this thread am I correct that the i7 has minimum GPU advantage over the i5? I had read months ago the i7 should be better but it's entirely possible I misunderstood whatever it that was.
 
Reading though this thread am I correct that the i7 has minimum GPU advantage over the i5? I had read months ago the i7 should be better but it's entirely possible I misunderstood whatever it that was.
It’s the same GPU. So difference is negligible.
 
Reading though this thread am I correct that the i7 has minimum GPU advantage over the i5? I had read months ago the i7 should be better but it's entirely possible I misunderstood whatever it that was.
As mentioned, it is the exact same GPU (Iris Plus G7). The i7 version is clocked every so slightly higher (like 50mhz I think), which makes zero practical difference.
 
Reading though this thread am I correct that the i7 has minimum GPU advantage over the i5? I had read months ago the i7 should be better but it's entirely possible I misunderstood whatever it that was.
It’s the same GPU. So difference is negligible.
As mentioned, it is the exact same GPU (Iris Plus G7). The i7 version is clocked every so slightly higher (like 50mhz I think), which makes zero practical difference.
Just to be super clear: the G7 is only on 10th gen 4xTB i5/i7 models, not 8th gen 2xTB i5/i7s. G7 should be 25–50+% faster than 8th gen.
 
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