2020 iMac

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  1. Glockworkorange macrumors 68000

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    Do we think we're going to see the re-design next year?

    My bet is a 32 inch, small bezel 6K, just like the XDR display, only without the 1,000 nits of brightness and the rest of the bells and whistles in that machine.

    It gets the iMac Pro cooling system and T2/3 chip with SSD only configuration. RAM soldered or "replaceable" in the same way the iMac Pro's RAM is replaceable. With professional service (unless you're into adventure).
     
  2. ScreenSavers macrumors 6502

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    All those features maybe would go in a new iMac Pro. Doubtful on the base model. The iMac 5K display is pretty good in my opinion. The bezels are massive though.
     
  3. Glockworkorange thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I was just looking at the bezels on mine. They’re comically large compared to Apple’s other products.
     
  4. ScreenSavers macrumors 6502

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    I was doing the same the other day! Mine’s a 5k.
     
  5. Glockworkorange thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Mine too—2017. I’ll be interested in the refresh next year
     
  6. nambuccaheadsau macrumors 68000

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    Well let's hope we keep getting the current bezel and this will keep us happily engaged!
     
  7. ruslan120 macrumors regular

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    +1

    I’m imagining a thin bezeled iMac like the XDR Display with a similarly vented back, with easily accessible internals to boot (from the rear).
     
  8. ScreenSavers macrumors 6502

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    Sure would be nice if they were even more upgradeable- but I doubt they’ll go that direction. But I could be wrong (thinking of the Mac Mini.)
     
  9. MistrSynistr macrumors 65816

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    They better, I'm holding off on mine because of this. It's super outdated by this point.
     
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    I don’t mind the bezels to be honest, just like I don’t mind the notch and those tiny things people seem to hate lol

    I’m excited for a future redesign though, too bad I need a computer right now otherwise I would wait a bit longer.
     
  12. ScreenSavers macrumors 6502

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    Because it can be better. Look at the iPad for example.
     
  13. fokmik, Jul 8, 2019
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    i think imac pro could benefit from that 6k display...since isnt so price sensitive...but an 32" normal imac with a starting price of 2999$ i think its too much for a lot of consumers and Apple knows it
    5k is still the way , but they can shrink the bezels and keep the chin (not so big anyway) for the air flow and speakers grill

    Since the imac is the only Apple product that has never seen a bezel shrink for 10 years now? i think is the next thing Apple could do
    I imagine an XDR Display bezels but with a chin+apple logo
     
  14. Zdigital2015 macrumors 65816

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    The good and the bad would be if Apple was to jettison the 21.5" and launch both a 27" 5K iMac and a 32" 6K iMac using the Pro Display XDR ID and at least 600 nits of sustained brightness with the P3 color gamut. Good, because the 21.5" just isn't a good value compared to the 27" model and bad because that means the cost is going up.

    So basic specs would look like this, 32" iMac first:
    • 32" 6016 by 3384 pixels, 600 nits brightness, 1000 nits peak brightness, Wide Color (P3)
    • 8-core Comet Lake-S x.xGHz, configurable to 10-core Comet Lake-S x.xGHz
    • 16GB DDR4-2666 DRAM, configurable to 128GB DDR4-2666
    • 256GB SSD, configurable up 2TB PCIe SSD
    • 8GB GDDR6 Radeon Pro 5800XT, configurable up to 16GB GDDR6 Radeon Pro 5900XT
    • 802.11ax, Bluetooth 5.0 (802.11ax only if the 400-Series PCH supports it, which is still in flux)
    • 1Gb Ethernet, configurable to 10Gbps Ethernet
    • 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports (unless Intel has done something different, the CPU will still have a ring bus and only x16 PCIe 3 lanes, all for the GPU)
    • 4 USB 3 (maybe USB-C 3.1 Gen 2)
    • SDXC Card (support for UHS-II)
    • Stereo speakers
    • 4 microphones
    • 3.5 mm headphone jack
    • Support for “Hey Siri” w/Apple T2 Security Chip (not sure T3 is a reality or a thing yet, definitely in flux)
    • 7MP True Depth Camera for FaceID, maximum 1080p at 30fps or 60fps
    The basic specs for the 27" iMac would look like this:
    • 27" 5120 by 2880 pixels, 500 nits brightness, 800 nits peak brightness, Wide Color (P3)
    • 6-core Comet Lake-S x.xGHz, configurable to 8-core Comet Lake-S x.xGHz
    • 8GB DDR4-2666 DRAM, configurable to 128GB DDR4-2666
    • 256GB SSD, configurable up 2TB PCIe SSD
    • 8GB GDDR6 Radeon Pro 5700XT, configurable up to 16GB GDDR6 Radeon Pro 5800XT
    • 802.11ax, Bluetooth 5.0 (802.11ax only if the 400-Series PCH supports it, which is still in flux)
    • 1Gb Ethernet, configurable to 10Gbps Ethernet
    • 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports (unless Intel has done something different, the CPU will still have a ring bus and only x16 PCIe 3 lanes, all for the GPU)
    • 4 USB 3 (maybe USB-C 3.1 Gen 2)
    • SDXC Card (support for UHS-II)
    • Stereo speakers
    • 3 microphones
    • 3.5 mm headphone jack
    • Support for “Hey Siri” w/Apple T2 Security Chip (not sure T3 is a reality or a thing yet, definitely in flux)
    • 7MP True Depth Camera for FaceID, maximum 1080p at 30fps or 60fps
    So basic specs would look like this, 32" iMac Pro last:
    • 32" 6016 by 3384 pixels, 600 nits brightness, 1000 nits peak brightness, Wide Color (P3)
    • 8-core Cascade Lake Xeon W-22xx x.xGHz, configurable to 22-core Cascade Lake Xeon W22xx x.xGHz
    • 32 GB DDR4-2933 ECC DRAM, configurable to 256GB DDR4-2933 ECC DRAM
    • 1TB SSD, configurable up 4TB PCIe SSD
    • 16GB GDDR6 Radeon Vega II, configurable up to 32GB GDDR6 Vega II Duo
    • 802.11ax, Bluetooth 5.0
    • 10Gbps Ethernet
    • 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports
    • 4 USB 3 (maybe USB-C 3.1 Gen 2)
    • SDXC Card (support for UHS-II)
    • Stereo speakers
    • 4 microphones
    • 3.5 mm headphone jack
    • Support for “Hey Siri” w/Apple T2 Security Chip (not sure T3 is a reality or a thing yet, definitely in flux)
    • 7MP True Depth Camera for FaceID, maximum 1080p at 30fps or 60fps
    I expect pricing to start at $1999 for the base 5K iMac and $2999 for the base 32" iMac 6K, with the iMac Pro 6K starting at $4999.

    The unknowns will be:
    • Is the chassis is sealed on all models or not?
    • Is the DRAM still SO-DIMM or do all three have the same full size DIMM slots?
    • Is the SSD the same NAND blade as the 2019 Mac Pro or something entirely different in form factor?
    The VESA mount will be the same $200 Apple mount making it easier and more reliable and eliminating a separate model. Just my 2¢.
     
  15. Icaras macrumors 603

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    Whenever I think about all the people that came through here to defend Apple’s choice for a thick black bezel saying that it makes the user “focus” on the content on screen more, and then I look at the new Apple XDR display, I just can’t help but smile. :)

    There is hope for the 2020 iMac!
     
  16. Icaras, Jul 8, 2019
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    Great breakdown although forgive me if I feel less optimistic about SSD becoming standard in the range. Apple has yet to prove it to us that they’re willing to take the leap. However if the 2020 gives us the redesign, then I think that leap is much more likely.

    Also I don’t think Apple will or should jettison the 21.5” (I liked the way you put it). And I personally wouldn’t want them to eliminate the choice to consumers either. Apple is getting into the habit of offering three size choices for all its product lines with displays (minus the Apple Watch) and I think adding the 32” completes that circle. I also don’t think everyone wants to start at a 27” size even though the 21.5” is the unpopular choice. iMac still needs to break in at an entry price point of closer to $1K and they’re certainly not going to achieve that with a 27” size if we’re talking about a redesign, screen upgrade, T2/T3, and standard SSD!

    Also, the base price for a 27” iMac is $1799, so even if they wanted to keep that model in the line after the 2020 model ships, there’s no way Apple is going to get that close to the 21.5” current $1099 price tag. That said, I’d really like to see the 4K 21.5” iMac finally replace the non 4K model from the lineup for good and start at $1099-$1199.
     
  17. krazzix macrumors member

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    Check out this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/will-a-redesigned-imac-arrive-in-2020.2184301/

    That would be instabuy for me! Speculated 16GB GDDR6 Radeon Pro 5900XT yes please :)

    I expect new iMac sizes to be 24" and 30".
     
  18. ducknalddon macrumors newbie

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    I wouldn't be surprised if they drop the iMac Pro.
     
  19. pappkristof macrumors member

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    I’d instantly buy the 32” iMac for that price. However I don’t think the 10Gbps Ethernet would be offered as an upgrade.

    The specs seem too high to be true except the 8 GB ram on the 27”.
    --- Post Merged, Jul 9, 2019 ---
    If they go beyond 27”, they probably update the smaller one to 24” too.
     
  20. Shivetya macrumors 68000

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    6k iMac for 2,999. I would love some of what you are smoking.

    We have already seen the 32 inch rumored display and it was never an iMac, it was that over blown "Pro" 6k display at a 5,000 price point! We might get lucky to get a 32 inch display at the current resolution and then that might come in at 2,999.

    Apple has tipped their hand, Pro means plus fifty to one hundred percent premium over what the price should be. the idea is to create exclusivity through pricing.
     
  21. Zdigital2015 macrumors 65816

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    Whether the screen size changes or not, I think we’re due for a chassis update and new Industrial Design - https://wccftech.com/intel-10th-gen-comet-lake-s-desktop-cpus-lga-1200-socket-2020-launch/

    So, Comet Lake-S is also slotted to be available in 6-, 8- and 10-core versions. This change, along with iMac’s move to T-2 seem like a foregone conclusion at this point. It is remotely possible they would simply plunk things into the iMac Pro chassis and paint it silver, but the release of the XDPro Display tells me that a redesign is finally in the cards. Of course a million things can change, but I don’t see this being ARM-based, so there is always the chance that either the ARM transition or the cost of a lower quality XDR panel delays a new chassis past a June of 2020 intro (WWDC).
     
  22. bpeeps macrumors 68030

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    There's an extremely good chance the iMac won't be updated until 2021. The iMac Pro will have to be updated in 2020 as to not eat into the sales of the Mac Pro releasing this fall. And the same would go for an iMac in 2020; there's the very real possibility of it eating iMac Pro sales. Furthermore, the last three iterations of the iMac came out in two year increments: 2015, 2017 , and 2019. All signs are pointing to a 2021 iMac.
     
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    That assumes the iMac Pro will be continued. One theory is that Apple created the iMac Pro as a stop-gap while the new Mac Pro was under development; with the new Mac Pro available, the reason for the iMac Pro to exist may cease. Rather than the iMacs eating into iMac Pro sales, the Mac Pro might take those sales, instead (as it probably should).

    But it remains to be seen what Apple will do. If sales data are strong enough for both iMac Pro and Mac Pro to exist together then Apple might continue it as a higher-end upgrade for iMac enthusiasts or a simpler solution for professionals. But seeing that Apple recently killed the MacBook, it's clear that they are keeping an eye to simplifying their product lines again. (And rightfully so - there was not much point in selling the MacBook and MacBook Air at the same time, and some of their product lines are becoming a bit convoluted.)
     
  24. bpeeps macrumors 68030

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    The gap between the iMac and the new Mac Pro is a valley. The iMac Pro is the perfect bridge. Time will tell.
     
  25. Icaras, Jul 12, 2019
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