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I’m looking to buy a Mac Mini, and I don’t know whether to get an i3 or an i5. I’m probably going to stick to 8GB of RAM, and I would like 512GB, and maybe buy external storage in the future. I would be mainly editing HD video (adobe premiere pro) and I would just like speed for using other applications.

What do you think I should get?
 

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I have a 2012 quad Mini and it still has respectable performance, except for the graphics chip. But IMO, saying the new i3 Mini is faster an 8-year-old computer isn't much of a selling point. :)

Since the OP wants "speed" and plans to edit video, I'd say to buy the best you can afford. A year later, I really doubt that you will say "I wish this computer wasn't so fast". I'd get an i7 if you can afford it. 8gb is the minimum amount of memory available and you probably won't be happy with it unless your needs are very modest. The integrated UHD 630 video chip uses 1.5gb of RAM which just doesn't leave much for other things. Some people get the 8gb model and upgrade the RAM themselves. Apple says this voids the warranty, but it's not clear whether they actually enforce that.

My suggestion would be to just watch the Apple refurb store, you will find a wide range of different configurations there and the price is typically 15% cheaper than new yet they have the same warranty. You have to be patient and check frequently throughout the day. Sometimes a week goes by with none available, then all of a sudden there are 30 of them. When you see one you want, buy it immediately because they don't last long. Took me over a month to find the one I wanted, but it was worth the wait.


BTW, there really isn't such a thing as a "2020 Mini", it is the same as the 2018 mini. The only thing they changed in 2020 was to offer a 256gb SSD on the bottom-of-the-line model instead of 128gb.
 
I’m looking to buy a Mac Mini, and I don’t know whether to get an i3 or an i5. I’m probably going to stick to 8GB of RAM, and I would like 512GB, and maybe buy external storage in the future. I would be mainly editing HD video (adobe premiere pro) and I would just like speed for using other applications.

What do you think I should get?

Well, basically the Mini Core i3 8th generation processor is a 7th generation Core i5 with turbo boost permanently on. The i5 8th generation chip on the Mini has 2 additional cores over the i5's 7th generation and a slower clock speed. The single core speed on the i3 isn't that vastly off than the i5 single core speed. To get a better speed jump on both single core and multi-core performance, the i7 is a better choice from a performance and longevity stand point. The only thing that is in the i5's favour is the 2 additional cores and you need to know an application that can take advantage of those 2 additional cores. Now, if you are buying something else other than the Mini 2018/2020, then I would recommend having those 2 additional cores to help in rendering HD footage. However, the current Mini 2018/2020 comes with what is called a T2 chip. Aside from its security and other connectivity functions it do, it also does something else. It is also a hardware accelerator that helps encode AND decode HD and 4K movies at much faster speeds. In fact, it can decode and encode h.264/h.265 movies with Quicksync (an intel hardware encoder/decoder for HD/4K movies) that even a single Core i5 chip or even a Core i7 can not match. The T2 chip is much faster. It even smokes my Mac Pro until I use my RX580 GPU to encode and decode the movies. That is the MOST time consuming task of any movie production. It is to decode the movie h.264/h.265 (interframe) into usable media (intraframe) like Pro-res or any intermediate format so you can edit your footages. After that, you need to encode the edited footages back to a movie. The process of encoding and decoding is so much faster with a T2 chip. In fact, handbrake uses the T2 under the videotoolbox to help with faster encoding and decoding. In the past, you would need a lot of CPU cores to help with CPU encoding times, but with the T2 chip, this process is no longer necessary nor it is preferrable. So therefore, the difference between the i3 and i5 isn't much. What would make a big difference is more memory (8Gb is minimum for HD) and a set of fast USB 3 drives or Thunderbolt drives. That will make editing HD much smoother. The onboard graphics is fine for HD editing, but if you are heavily in color grading and effects, then you would need to invest in an external eGPU to help out.

To give you an idea of speed; my Mac Pro 8 core with RX-580 is about 5% faster in multi-core speed as the Core i3 on the Mini and because I also have a RX-580 GPU and 24Gb of ram and fast RAID HD and SSDs, editing HD and 4K proxy is smooth and doable even with my Mac Pro. I can't see why not with the Mini 2018 Core i3. Initially, I wanted to get a Core i3, but I saw a used Mac Pro deal and for the same price I would pay for a stock Core i3 Mini with only 8Gb ram and 128Gb SSD, I got a Mac Pro with a RX580 GPU, 24Gb ram, 120Gb SSD RAID, 2TB HD RAID and 500GB SSD USB 3. The only slowdown is the encoding part back to/from h.264. With HD, I networked my Macbook Air to help encode back to h.264 since it has Quicksync and it helped do this 4x faster than it would on the Mac Pro. My Mac Pro does not have Quicksync since it has XEON processors. With 4K, my Mac Pro does the encoding with the help of the GPU. It would be nice to have the T2 chip to help out and of course, I can add to it by buying a refurb Mini 2018 core i3 just for the purpose of encoding the 4K movies back into h.264/h265.

Movie editing relies heavily on a GPU with lots of video ram, more onboard computer ram and faster media drives and of course Quicksync and the T2 for encoding and decoding. Not so much with more cores. 4 cores is quite adequate for HD and 4K if you also have GPU support. What will help is when you are doing a lot of photoshop editing of large megapixel images and layering them, where more CPU cores will help speed things up.

Hope this helps.
 
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You want at least 16gb of RAM.
1.5gb of (the standard configuration of 8gb) is "roped off" for the GPU. That leaves only 6.5gb available "for apps". Some folks have complained about the responsiveness of video with only 8gb. Bumping up the RAM cured that problem.

You want the i5 CPU at least -- for longevity.

Drive size is up to you.
 
Well, basically the Mini Core i3 8th generation processor is a 7th generation Core i5 with turbo boost permanently on. The i5 8th generation chip on the Mini has 2 additional cores over the i5's 7th generation and a slower clock speed. The single core speed on the i3 isn't that vastly off than the i5 single core speed. To get a better speed jump on both single core and multi-core performance, the i7 is a better choice from a performance and longevity stand point. The only thing that is in the i5's favour is the 2 additional cores and you need to know an application that can take advantage of those 2 additional cores. Now, if you are buying something else other than the Mini 2018/2020, then I would recommend having those 2 additional cores to help in rendering HD footage. However, the current Mini 2018/2020 comes with what is called a T2 chip. Aside from its security and other connectivity functions it do, it also does something else. It is also a hardware accelerator that helps encode AND decode HD and 4K movies at much faster speeds. In fact, it can decode and encode h.264/h.265 movies with Quicksync (an intel hardware encoder/decoder for HD/4K movies) that even a single Core i5 chip or even a Core i7 can not match. The T2 chip is much faster. It even smokes my Mac Pro until I use my RX580 GPU to encode and decode the movies. That is the MOST time consuming task of any movie production. It is to decode the movie h.264/h.265 (interframe) into usable media (intraframe) like Pro-res or any intermediate format so you can edit your footages. After that, you need to encode the edited footages back to a movie. The process of encoding and decoding is so much faster with a T2 chip. In fact, handbrake uses the T2 under the videotoolbox to help with faster encoding and decoding. In the past, you would need a lot of CPU cores to help with CPU encoding times, but with the T2 chip, this process is no longer necessary nor it is preferrable. So therefore, the difference between the i3 and i5 isn't much. What would make a big difference is more memory (8Gb is minimum for HD) and a set of fast USB 3 drives or Thunderbolt drives. That will make editing HD much smoother. The onboard graphics is fine for HD editing, but if you are heavily in color grading and effects, then you would need to invest in an external eGPU to help out.

To give you an idea of speed; my Mac Pro 8 core with RX-580 is about 5% faster in multi-core speed as the Core i3 on the Mini and because I also have a RX-580 GPU and 24Gb of ram and fast RAID HD and SSDs, editing HD and 4K proxy is smooth and doable even with my Mac Pro. I can't see why not with the Mini 2018 Core i3. Initially, I wanted to get a Core i3, but I saw a used Mac Pro deal and for the same price I would pay for a stock Core i3 Mini with only 8Gb ram and 128Gb SSD, I got a Mac Pro with a RX580 GPU, 24Gb ram, 120Gb SSD RAID, 2TB HD RAID and 500GB SSD USB 3. The only slowdown is the encoding part back to/from h.264. With HD, I networked my Macbook Air to help encode back to h.264 since it has Quicksync and it helped do this 4x faster than it would on the Mac Pro. My Mac Pro does not have Quicksync since it has XEON processors. With 4K, my Mac Pro does the encoding with the help of the GPU. It would be nice to have the T2 chip to help out and of course, I can add to it by buying a refurb Mini 2018 core i3 just for the purpose of encoding the 4K movies back into h.264/h265.

Movie editing relies heavily on a GPU with lots of video ram, more onboard computer ram and faster media drives and of course Quicksync and the T2 for encoding and decoding. Not so much with more cores. 4 cores is quite adequate for HD and 4K if you also have GPU support. What will help is when you are doing a lot of photoshop editing of large megapixel images and layering them, where more CPU cores will help speed things up.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the advice, I’m thinking i3, 16GB, would that be a good configuration?
 
Thanks for the advice, I’m thinking i3, 16GB, would that be a good configuration?

Yes, it would be plenty. To help provide smooth as buttah experience editing HD, get a fast USB 3 SSD or a fast spinning 7200rpm external drive to store all your movies, footages and edits and use only the internal SSD to store your OS and apps and leave about 20% room for system memory pages. The core i3 Mini is faster than the fastest 2012 Mini Core i7 Quad and that was also a beast in its day. It can move data much faster than the Mini 2012 Quad or my Mac Pro could thanks to the modern architecture. It is data, movie footages that are in gigabytes that benefit from faster data speeds. No point in getting the fastest car in the world if the street you're driving on is like in downtown New York where you can barely gain an inch in rush hour.

In fact, when I used to work in a computer recycling store, I had met many indie movie commercial producers who are still using the Mini 2012 Quad as their HD movie edits or the Macbook Pro 2012 i5 Quad for that. Key is to make sure you have external media drives as scratch and read drives are fast like the German Autobahn and your system will fly as opposed just to limit it doing on the main drive. Hope this helps.
 
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