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2023 Formula 1 Season thread
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Another one leaving me asking why I even bother. You won't think the sports has one of the biggest rule books given the way FIA just make **** up on the day. The only real entertainment was as a result of accidents, and even that became a complete and utter farce as the FIA haven't got a f**king clue what they are doing.
I think this time, I might just be done with the circus. Sorry, rant over
I'm just watching the race end, I cannot believe the second red flag! The first one was questionable but flipping heck!! A car in a run off area and a tyre, incidents that never usually need a red flag? Bonkers utterly bonkers.
An absolutely predictable catastrophic restart.
The FIA really need to look at there procedures or lack there of here. Alonso was doing brilliantly.
Who ever the race director is should be fired.
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I haven’t seen the duty driving from Lewis, in what respect? It’s not been talked about that I’ve seen.
On the restart he drove so slow when he could run the pace that he caused such a backup of traffic that very very nearly there was a pile up of F1 cars half way down the grid, because none of them were expecting to come round the corner to find an almost completely stopped grid, in fact some cars had stopped because it was going so slow and had to go off track to avoid hitting others. That was all down to Lewis and his 'pace', the commentators criticised him for sure.
It was flagged it would be investigated but I didn't see any outcome from it.
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No wonder I haven’t heard anything then. I’ve seen the back up but not the suggestion it was Lewis. If he did it after the first car passes the start finish line then he’ll be penalised. If he did it during the safety car and controlled his own pace, he’s entitled as they all do this, even the favourites.
I didn't think much about it at first. When I saw it happen I was like oops Sainz that wasn't good, and better avoid Alonso. But from other angles it looked just a racing incident. But yes, considering there was a rewind I don't get why he still got his penalty unless my memory is playing tricks on me already. I thought it happened after the 2 but before the third red flag.
I was surprised nothing came from it. He did that a few times, I guess it was in the rules, but it was weird, odd, unexpected by everyone else, and caused a pile up. He held back so much that others were out of sight. Same like his unusual little games on the pit lane exit and the likes. It is all so unnecessary. A bit like the rest of the team, you can just see Toto scheming and having other principals do his dirty work; and how Toto and George hang out with the Red Bull team on the pit lane. All just part of their current strategy to try to unsettle others.
But what makes me truly laugh are the Oscar award style elaborate thank you messages from Lewis after they yet again didn't win but everyone is amazing, wonderful and do such a good job blah blah blah.
But hey ho, I appreciate others don't like the directness and focus and honesty in finding how they can improve further despite already winning by the Red Bull team. Team Lewis fans call it that moaning.
At least surely everyone loves Team Aston Martin
Yes, that was predictable that restart as it effectively cancelled the entire race so far and turned it into a 2 lap race. And naturally, everyone wanted a shot at winning.
However, I have some sympathy as it did look there was a bit of debris, and Lewis was publicly remarking about the amount of debris on the track. Remarkably, he also was one of the few who didn't react with amazement and had the most to gain by the FIA calling it like they did. It gave him a shot of winning that would otherwise be long gone. And with their pace of the start, would not give enough time to Alonso to catch up. So, it was a good one for Mercedes, it gave them hope and a chance of winning.
So I had to watch the replay and I stepped out for a bit and I missed the Alonso spin.
How did he recover and get 3rd back?
How did he recover and get 3rd back?
They redid the restart when the red flag came out again, restoring the positions from the first restart.
I was glad they did that as it was such an unnecessary restart, Alonso deserved the third place back and i’ll be honest the penalty for Sainz was harsh considering it was a racing incident. He was right to be furious IMO.
Ted Kravitz went into the rulebook and evidently Lewis' actions were allowed so that is why no penalty / investigation was undertaken.
Because no car reached the end of the first sector on the track prior to the Red Flag being thrown, this "resets" the field to their positions at the start. Alonso had been able to get his car back on track, which is why he was allowed to resume his third place position on the grid for the re-start.
Frankly, Sainz had the right idea and never even left the pits for the final restart. Thanks to the calamity and third Red Flag resetting the field yet again, he was able to keep fourth and not risk any damage to his car.
Carlos Sainz hit Alonso's right rear. Hence why Sainz was penalized 5 seconds for "Causing a Collision" even though the lap was invalidated and Alonso was able to re-start in his original (3rd place) position on the final restart.
I hope Ferrari appeal the penalty as it was absolutely ridiculous considering he was in a packed first corner and had nowhere to go. The whole race was a shambles from the stewards point of view.
It was investigated. The Safety Car turned its lights off, which means Lewis dictates the pace. Lewis chose to treat the lap like a formation lap, since they were doing a grid start. The back of the grid was treating it like the SC lights were still on, and driving to the speed they'd expect the SC to do.
Nobody did anything wrong, and it was a misunderstanding about when the SC lights go out when cars are coming round for a standing start rather than rolling.
FIA and the teams have agreed to change the Sprint Format for this year.
- Free Practice 2 is now eliminated during Sprint Weekends.
- Friday Qualifying will set the field for Sunday's race after Free Practice 1.
- A shortened qualifying session to set the field for the Sprint Race will take place on Saturday with a single-lap Q3 session.
- The Sprint Race will take place after Sprint Qualifying and will award the same points as 2022 and earlier.
Just drop it. Sprint races are really a gimmick F1 doesn’t need.
Indeed, another measure for the casual observer that lacks any need whatsoever. Get rid of unnecessary red flags for 2 laps shootouts and sprint races please.
I'm okay with the new format since it makes Saturdays more interesting to me as a viewer (I usually delete my FP recordings unwatched) while keeping qualifying the same for both Sprint and non-Sprint weekends. I did not like the Sprint Race determining the Sunday race starting order.
The main detriment I see to Sprint Races is wear-and-tear on the cars and engines and chance of damage due to accidents (though both can - and have - happened during Free Practice sessions, as well). But with the Sprint no longer determining starting positions for Sunday, fingers crossed this results in less aggressive driving as finishing spot will not be so critical anymore.
The main detriment I see to Sprint Races is wear-and-tear on the cars and engines and chance of damage due to accidents (though both can - and have - happened during Free Practice sessions, as well). But with the Sprint no longer determining starting positions for Sunday, fingers crossed this results in less aggressive driving as finishing spot will not be so critical anymore.
At least someone is watching them then. They don’t factor for me and I have no interest in the format. It’s sad to see such a classy and prestigious motorsport turn into a reality type series and I think sprint races are purely designed for the casual American viewer personally. They have a mixed opinion amongst fans so hopefully they will disappear in the coming seasons. I accept you probably have a different opinion on this but it’s good to have different perspectives.
You're correct.
As an avid American fan I hate them.
Might I also add I've never seen one minute of that stupid reality series they've created but I can say with the utmost certainty I hate that as well.
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Yes he can predict the pace, but people such as David Coulthard criticised his slow pace. In a formation lap they rarely go as slow as to cause the back of the field to have to physically stop on the track.
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Commentators have a better view of the field behind than the guys at the front so I didn’t agree with Coulthard personally. Vettel used to back the pack up quite severely and it’s long been accepted as the prerogative of the leading drivers to dictate the pace as long as it doesn’t exceed the stated amount of car lengths to the SC. It was tactical by Lewis rather than dirty IMO.