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I might be interested in this. Maybe at some point when I need an iPhone and iPad upgrade, depending on what it can do exactly. Ideally, it would also have external display support so I can dock it as well, but I'm not sure if that would be included or not. Apple Pencil support is a must for me with a device like this.

Though, if I really needed to get a foldable iPhone in the future, I think I’d much rather have a razr style.
 
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Stop, you all underestimate apple’s magic touch, the hinge will bend both way and crazy new visual trickery you didnt know you needed,

and it will make you run to the store,

Again.

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Now that foldables are on the horizon, was separating iPadOS from iOS a mistake?
What os will it run when folded open? The advantage of unfolded screen real estate is to be able to run 2 apps side by side. Will that be in iOS or will that be the new windowed system of iPadOS 26?

I suppose it could run iPadOS as it was before 26. And just allow split screen view.
 
There is no point in leading in the foldable category when the technology just isn’t there. There was quite a bit of yellow banding in the center of the screen of previous foldable models. You could sort of feel it too with your fingers. These phones always looked and felt like they were a couple of years too early.

The Fold 7 comes *very* close to solving this issue.

Apple doesn’t lead in a lot of things. What they do best is improve on what’s out there. The iPod wasn’t the first MP3 player but Apple wrapped in a nice ecosystem. Laptops? They don’t lead there either although you could argue that Apple cares about their design more.
Design has always been at the core of Apple's mission. I was working for Apple when the iPhone was introduced. I remember Jobs ordering the design team to make him dummy copies with at least 12 different corner radii, so he could determine which one would resonate most with customers. And his obsession pretty much defined how most of the world lives in the late 20th and 21st centuries. Even if you don't have an iPhone, you use a cellphone that is based on it.
 
What os will it run when folded open? The advantage of unfolded screen real estate is to be able to run 2 apps side by side. Will that be in iOS or will that be the new windowed system of iPadOS 26?

I suppose it could run iPadOS as it was before 26. And just allow split screen view.
I don't think it will run two OSes since that would be inefficient and probably disjointed, and I don't think it will run iPadOS since most of the multitasking features don't even fit well on the iPad Mini (which is slightly larger than the rumored unfolded size), plus it needs to run the front screen like a normal phone. So my bet is it will be iOS with some added APIs to take advantage of the unfolded screen.
 
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I just dont see the appeal...I have -0- interest. Doesn't mean other people dont, I just want a regular phone...
 
I think Apple's implementation of it both hardware and software will be the best version of a foldable there has been yet. Apple waits for a reason, and many times when they do they let the technology catch up with what they want to build and I think they will be there with their foldable.

I look at it the same was as I do the Vision Pro. That device is incredible and so much better than any other device of its kind on the market. My hope is that Apple is at the same level with their foldable phone.
Apple's implementation of multitasking in the iPadOS 26 are many steps backward for normal touch use. It was so bad that I had to revert to 18.6 on my iPad mini and iPad Pro 11. YouTube comparing the two versions:

 
I refuse to spend $2000 on a damn phone. And especially not a phone that will have worse cameras and no Face ID, and will probably have worse water proofing, shorter battery life and will break more easily. And definitely not their first generation!

It’s 2025. Why can’t we get 5G in a MacBook Pro, or anything else sensible like wireless charging Magic Mouse, AirPods Max that are lightweight, an iPhone that doesn’t need a case to prevent shattering, a MacBook Pro with a hole punch camera, an iPhone Mini for smaller people like my wife, etc?
 
  1. TouchID, no FaceID. Going backwards?

FaceID likely forces redundant sensors. (unless want to put a bar/bezel so that a single camera doesn't have to move when phone is unfolded. ). I also have doubts that a Apple SoC can actually physical attach two FaceID cameras. ( there is likely a fixed number of cameras that can be direcctly attached and the bus width for a FaceID subsystem is wider than a normal camera (more than just visible light data being transmitted from a single sensor. )

The 'fold' creates as many issues as it supposely helps/resolves if obscuring cameras lens in different modes.

TouchID will work the same since it doesn't have to be obscured.


  1. 5.5" screen. The smaller folded screen on these has always been a problem. This forces me into unfolding it more often, yes. But now it is thicker when doubled over. You do not think about this until you have one. I used a Galaxy Z Fold for about 3 weeks and that extra thickness does become noticeable. You end up leaving the phone in unfolded mode more often than not just to reduce hand cramping (I have small hands).

Up until 8 months ago Apple was still seling the SEv3 with a 4.7" screen. So the notion that 5.5" is 'useless' is a huge stretch. The 13 mini was 5.4" ( very incrementally smaller than 5.5" ). That is large enough to run full fledged iOS phone apps on. (not special 'widgets' because the screen is too small). Phone , Messages, Notes, Calendar , Weather apps ( i.e., basic apps) should run just fine. ( just like they do everyday for millions of folks still using SE's and minis ) .

If the front screen was bigger the battery drain would be even higher. The larger the front screen then all the more likely that the 'half' of the phone that has both front and inner screen has no battery capacity contribution at all. The other half has circiurts/chips and a battery to how in only 'half' the system. The inner screen already means have a higher screen to battery capacity ration than a normal phone. The larger front screen only pushes that further into a deficit.



  1. Battery life is severely compromised and you will be charging more often. You do not think about this until after your first day and it is needing a recharge at dinner. Z Fold manages great, but you still have to keep that folded screen powered to pop on at any time. You adapt, but it is something that will be obvious.

powered on? Why? iPhone and iPad wake instantly when press the 'sleep/wake/power' button. The screen can be asleep ( screen saver of all black which for a OLED screen is effectively 'off'. ). The basic control circuits powered up but actively drawing stuff on screen ... why (unless the OS is somehow defective. ) ?



  1. While not a problem at the moment, Continuity. If it can unfold, will it gain iPad Continuity features such as my mouse can go over to it? Then it begs the question of whether iPadOS and iPhoneOS should just merge. HOWEVER......hehehehe.....os26 is a MASSIVE HINT that they are merging.

The features matter more than the number. If iPadOS is doing a 'merge' it is more so with macOS, not iPhoneOS.
Apple's multiple app features on an iPad mini screen do not work as well as an 11-13" screen. This screen will be incrementally smaller than a mini screen ( -6% reduction; 7.8 from 8.3 ) . Even the origimal mini (2012) was bigger 7.9 (although that is pretty close, but also more than a decade ago. )

The numbers are merging for more coherent marketing across products and so that folks who pay attention have more of a clue when support will stop without having to consult a magic decoder charts.

  1. Rumors on potential improvements to screen folding are similar to rumors that we found a way to raise the Titanic. There will be a crease in that screen eventually. Apple's "improvements" merely delay the inevitable for a bit longer. Samsung has been working tirelessly to improve their tech, but with a launched product to learn from. Is Apple's tech any noticeable difference? I do not believe so. Apple has the safety of a nonproduct in a lab being tested. Samsung has several years of a product in the wild tested by consumers.

Reportedly Apple is buying a future Samsung screen. How are they loosing out on the experience when the folding improvements are being put into the screen that they buy from same parts supplier solving the issues over the last several years?

Apple will probably have a different hinge design but the actually screen panel is likely going to be based on the same shared core technology. Maybe the dimensions are different (but desnity , basical foundational construction are likely going to be the same).

In lab testing of a mechanical hinge isn't all that hard if put the effort in. Can make a test mule just as abusive as people would be over time. ( open-close open close 500 times is very robotic behaviour. ) Dirst , dust , and pocket lint isn't that rare to find.



  1. Pro and Pro Max model comparison. You have to convince Pro users to want 2 bigger screens All In One. You have to convince Pro Max users to downgrade on one screen and also want an unfolding screen. Minus one camera, also. TouchID change might also confuse and alienate. At least 1st Gen.

No. Apple is likely not looking to entirely replace the Pro line up with this at all. More likely they are looking at iPhone+iPhad owners which is far, far smaller than just iPhone owners. Narrowed down to iPHone+iPadmini users then that is even smaller.

If the price point is closer to a iPhone+ iPad Mini ( then all the more so. ). Lots of IPhone Pro users are going to be left behind just on higher price.

(the number of folks out there who have 'upstairs' , 'downstairs' , and 'another one for the road' iPads set up is quite small. )

  1. . Folding phones, however, even in the Android market, have not sold in the quantities necessary for full on market dominance.

Android's inhibited tablet market probably doesn't help traction. But as long as book foldables are about selling 3x the screen space then they will always be more expensive than selling just 1x the screen space. More affordable is always going to hold onto more than substantive market share in a normal market.

The foldable that has better chance at eventual dominance is the flip form factor. I doubt Apple is going to go there because they have more interest in selling something at a $2K price than a $500-600 price point. They already have $500-600 offerings.

I get some people are interested in one. But the Z Fold had a turbulent launch until a few models in when the install base was built. Z Fold is amazing; however, it does have serious drawbacks some people do not think about until they have one. Nerds such as us already know this, but it is not going to be a blowout seller.

It doesn't have to be a "blowout seller'. If the higher price means it can sustain a 'low volume tax', profit margin flow to Apple the volume only has be 'high enough'; not a blowout.

Similar issue for the iPhone Air (that will be in the Pro price range). Just has to e profitable, not the foundational base of the unit volume. Over time it may be the iPhone Air that creeps down in price to replace the regular iPhone if Apple gets the costs out of the system.
 
Hopefully it will have a telephoto lens. Not so impressed with the smaller outer screen. Think it will have a price tag of $1999. Having a physical SIM slot will be good.
 
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  1. Price. At that price, I will want a larger base storage such as 512 GB - 1 TB minimum. Assuming it will price similarly to Z Fold, I could just buy an iPad. With a larger screen, more storage, and a folding keyboard case.
Just like with the Pro Max, Apple is going to start the iPhonebook at 256GB. My phone and cellular iPad are both 512GB so I have already calculated that even at $2k I will save close to a grand by having a single device when I also factor in the price of three years of an iPad data plan.
 
What os will it run when folded open? The advantage of unfolded screen real estate is to be able to run 2 apps side by side. Will that be in iOS or will that be the new windowed system of iPadOS 26?

I suppose it could run iPadOS as it was before 26. And just allow split screen view.
Thats a good question. The A# iPads now have Stage Manager and the new Multitasking system so maybe it will be iPadOS with a phone app or maybe it will be iOS with multitasking on the inside screen.
 
Okay, please answer this question: what is that space where you can’t fit a slim “traditional” smartphone, but you can fit a “half” of a smartphone that’s more than twice as thick?

Edit. To clarify I’m asking about flip specifically.
I have tried this before with a friend's ZF7 versus a 14PM, and I can confidently say that, for my inelastic jeans, the ZF7 was more comfortable when folded in the pocket despite being 74% thicker.

The issue with large phones like the 14PM and Galaxy Ultra is that their length tends to "stretch" the pocket as you walk at the hip, making it less comfortable. It's like storing an AirPods 3 case in your short pocket versus an 14PM.
 
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This does look very interesting.
Currently I have an iPad mini pretty much only for showing chord charts and lead sheets at gigs & jams. A phone that could unfold to do that would mean I'd only need one device.
Touch ID is awesome.
Google have recently announced that they plan to restrict "sideloading", thereby eliminating one of the greatest advantages of Android over iOS.
...so, I might actually consider buying this device.
 
Samsung really needs to make the external screen more functional. Even the new 7 is hamstrung in that way. That would go a long way towards making it a more user-friendly device.
Hmmm...dont understand. I can do ANYTHING with my external screen that a normal phone can do. Opening up just gives me more reals estate and better multitasking
 
Hmmm...dont understand. I can do ANYTHING with my external screen that a normal phone can do. Opening up just gives me more reals estate and better multitasking
I was referring to the Flip, not the Fold. The Flip has a very limited set of things you can do on the external screen.
 
I’m one of those who see a fold as a gimmick and a concept that offers too little added value compared to numerous compromises. But even I would find a fold useful compared to a flip. A flip, if anything, is a foldable (or in this case “flippable”) device whose only reason for existing is that it can flip :p

I don’t understand your logic. The Flip could be a great replacement for the discontinued Mini. It fits in your hand and pocket, yet still gives you the luxury of a large screen when you need it. Flips are also much cheaper than Folds, and they help reduce distractions.
About 70% of all Samsung foldables sold were Flips, compared to about 30% Folds. Apple should focus on making a competitive Flip phone and release their Fold in limited numbers.
 
I was really looking forward to buying an iPhone fold but without a physical SIM card I’m done with Apple and will for the first time ever switch to Android
 
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