2133mhz Ram Test Results

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  1. ohsnaphappy macrumors regular

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    There's a lot of mixed information on this forum about 2133mhz ram in the Skylake iMac.

    The questions that need to be answered are:

    1) Will the Skylake iMac boot and operate properly with 2133mhz ram.
    2) Will 2133mhz ram run at 2133mhz in the Skylake iMac? Or will it only show as 2133 in the system profile - all the while running at 1866?

    Here is a stick for consideration, at $65 it's very reasonable priced: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00UV...X110_SY165_QL70&keywords=Kingston+hyperx+2133

    I have a Skylake iMac arriving Oct 22-27, so if no one has real test results by then, I'll volunteer to be the guinea pig for everyone. Thanks!
     
  2. Sirmausalot macrumors 6502a

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    I predict it will 1. Work 2. Run at the higher speed as long as you remove the stock RAM first and 3. Make absolutely zero difference except that you'll have spent $40 you didn't need to. But I appreciate that you're willing to do it :)
     
  3. spanishtorero macrumors newbie

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    I think that the big question is:

    Will the new iMac support ddr4 memory? Apple could be using UniDIMM technology for support ddr3 and ddr4 memory:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UniDIMM
     
  4. ericv, Oct 18, 2015
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    ericv macrumors regular

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    I am likely willing to try DDR4 if someone can recommend which ones to buy from Amazon or MicroCenter (I'd prefer Amazon). If they don't work, I just return them.

    I've been doing a bit of research on the UniDIMM and Skylake. Seems the the memory controller in the iMac likely supports Uni-DIMM, the question might be did Apple use UniDIMM slots? Anyone know how to tell so that someone that has a new iMac and confirm?
     
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  6. xgman macrumors 601

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    DDR 4 memory has different pins. They won't fit and likley wouldn't work in the imac yet anyway. I know the 1866 me will work on the new imac at speed, but not sure about the full 2133 speed. It may be more of a question of compatibility and stability in general as some sticks will behave better than others at any speed. I chose the crucial balistix 1,866 to try. We'll see.
     
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  8. xgman macrumors 601

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    Look at a pic of ddr3 and ddr4 sodimm and you will see the pins and notch placement.
     
  9. flyespresso macrumors newbie

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    True they have different pins but there is a universal slot that will allow either DDR4 or DDR3 to work (with both their unique pin setups). See above, someone linked the wikipedia article.

    Question is: Is that what Apple put in there??
     
  10. syndr0me macrumors member

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    CPU will support DDR3 and DDR4, but the socket is different for each. Teardown shows DDR3 RAM which means DDR3 socket. DDR4 will be touted as a new feature on the next refresh.
     
  11. ericv macrumors regular

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    My question exactly. Maybe someone can post a well lighted picture of their slots?
     
  12. spanishtorero macrumors newbie

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    Correct. Due to this Intel has developed UniDIMM for Skylake processors. UniDIMM supports DDR3 204-pins and DDR4 260-pins memories.

    The question is if new iMac uses this technology.
     
  13. syndr0me macrumors member

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    UniDIMM appears to be a unique socket from DDR3 and DDR4, and requires special SO-DIMMS which don't seem to exist. Since it ships with DDR3, it's a safe bet that it's got a DDR3 socket.
     
  14. flyespresso macrumors newbie

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    As stated already...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UniDIMM

    This is a Universal socket that can accept BOTH DDR3 and DDR4 modules. Just because the teardown shows DDR3 RAM does not mean they aren't using a UniDIMM socket and simply shipping DDR3 installed for cost. This would also make sense as they can later on go to DDR4 without new engineering on the sockets. It is not special SO-DIMMS or modules that require UniDIMM support.

    Please though, read, don't just blatantly say we are all crazy! We just need someone with the 27" to take a picture of the sockets and/or try a DDR4 module!
     
  15. syndr0me macrumors member

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    So, yeah, UniDIMM is a unique socket. This iMac has DDR3 in it, which means it's got a DDR3 socket. CPU supports DDR4 but Apple decided against it for whatever reason.
     
  16. Sirmausalot macrumors 6502a

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    I would shoot a quick note to OWC to see if they tried it. You can also study the ram they pulled out of the ohttp://blog.macsales.com/33572-owc-unboxes-tears-down-the-late-2015-27-inch-imac-retina-5k
     
  17. syndr0me macrumors member

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    My previous quote is from that same wikipedia entry. It clearly states that UniDIMM is physically incompatible with DDR3 and DDR4 sockets. It's compatible with the chips but requires a UniDIMM board with its pinout and notch.
     
  18. spanishtorero macrumors newbie

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    Please, read the above links, UniDIMM supports both memories, DDR3 & DDR4.
     
  19. ericv, Oct 18, 2015
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    ericv macrumors regular

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    I think what he is saying and I might understand is that...

    UniDIMM is a memory board specification that supports DD3 & DD4, but it comes on a 260 pin stick. The sockets would only support 260 pins, not both 260 and 204. So if the memory on the new iMac is in fact 204 pins, than DDR4 and UniDIMM likely won't work.
     
  20. syndr0me macrumors member

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    Right. UniDIMM is a NEW socket standard that supports both DDR3 and DDR4 memory chips. However its a unique socket, which means it's not compatible with existing DDR3 and DDR4 sticks that use their respective sockets. It would be compatible with DDR3 or DDR4 chips on a SO-DIMM with the UniDIMM pins and locating notch.

    There isn't a universal socket that accepts DDR3 and DDR4 sticks. Since the new iMac comes with DDR3 with a DDR3 pinout (not a UniDIMM pinout) it means you can only put DDR3 in the new iMac.
     
  21. syndr0me macrumors member

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    So there's 3 socket standards. None of them are cross-compatible. Those are:

    DDR3 (only available with DDR3 memory chips)
    DDR4 (only available with DDR4 memory chips)
    UniDIMM (available with DDR3 or DDR4 memory chips)

    I don't think anybody is actually shipping UniDIMM memory. The iMac ships with DDR3 memory on a DDR3 socket pinout. The iMac will only take DDR3 memory. Sorry. :( I bought one anyway.
     
  22. spanishtorero macrumors newbie

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    It seems you are right...unidimm supports DDR3 & DDR4 chips but the socket has 260-pins.
     
  23. ohsnaphappy thread starter macrumors regular

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    As a pro I want the fastest ram money can buy. As far as I know ddr4 will NOT work in the Skylake iMac. Meaning CL11 ddr3 2133mhz if the fastest money can buy.

    If someone beats me to authentic test results with 2133 I would really appreciate it. If not, then I'll let you know my own results when the iMac arrives.
     
  24. xgman, Oct 18, 2015
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    xgman macrumors 601

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    I agree to get the fastest memory that will be stable in this new mac, but as seen on the current macs, there was very very little performance difference achieved by stepping up from 1600 to 1867 speed ram as I recall. Point is make sure you have stability first and speed second. Please let us know your results if it works at the rated speed. Not sure how you would test this without 1867 ram to compare a test with.
     
  25. ohsnaphappy thread starter macrumors regular

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    If I buy it and post-production is stable I'll be happy. Even if the performance gain is purely psychological haha. I just want to make sure it's running at 2133, and not just saying 2133 in the system profile. I guess geekbench will tell me?
     

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