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Maybe Apple thinks if they make TV shows and Movies that is only playable on Apple hardware, they will sell more devices, similar to how Apple once treated their software, post-Apple Clones.

Apple would charge premium prices for their hardware, which was good quality, but it was the excellent software Apple provide to entice people to buy their expensive hardware. Even when Apple charged for the Mac OS, I don't think it was a huge money maker for them. But, if you wanted to use the Mac OS or iOS (legally), you had to buy their hardware. Apple's software has gone downhill lately, so this is probably not the case anymore though.
I understand the concept, but really, the masses are not going to buy a $200 device to watch a show even as good as Westworld. They will, however, pay $9 a month for it and stream through their existing cable box, smart TV, etc. That's why Netflix is now worth more than Disney and Apple has nothing in this area.

Also: Apple is used to entering a product area and "disrupting" it, improving upon it, perfecting it, whatever you want to call it. This used to work because the existing companies producing the product (Palm, live network TV, etc.) sucked. Guess what? That's no longer the case. Apple is up against Netflix, Spotify, and others who are fabulous at what they do. Apple's typical strategy isn't going to work there. They need to get back to inventing things that are truly original, or find other market areas that are not well served by existing companies/organizations.
 
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I understand the concept, but really, the masses are not going to buy a $200 device to watch a show even as good as Westworld.
I wouldn't think they would either, but if two different platforms, such as iOS and Android were an option for a consumer, both had similar features, but one offered access to very high quality content, this could sway a consumer one way or another.

Similar to the ATV not being purchased for people wanting access to Amazon Video.
 
I’d still love to know what Apple’s vision is here. Just jumping into original content to get another $10/mo out of customers isn’t vision. What does Apple think it can do here that Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO aren’t? Do they think people who are forking over monthly subscriptions for those services will give them up for Apple’s? Or will Apple bundle this with Apple Music? Will Tim or Eddy actually give us the vision behind this or will it be like Apple Music where Eddy jumped right into an overly long app demo (after confusing rambling by Jimmy Iovine).
 
Apple is just as interested in creating a media narrative, and perhaps a political narrative, as it is creating hardware. Media content is the rich company's way of stamping its vision on the world. Netflix giving Obama multi millions of dollars, someone who has never created content before, but is politically licensed, is just an example. I don't think Apple cares if this content stuff makes money.
If Apple were smart - they would go after Trump to make original content with them. Of course, that would be to offensive to way to many people and the company would never do it because it would be "offensive".

Those that think Hollywood speaks for the majority of America are out of their minds and another reason why TV cord cutting is at an all time high. Hollywood seems to think that all of America is Hollywood and NYC... and, it's just not.
 
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Apple gave the world FaceTime. iPad. iPhone. ITunes. App Store. All stuff the competition had to work hard to come even near to. Now the situation is reversed. Watches. Smart Speakers and Streaming TV is the norm. And Apple are now realising that their ‘new’ innovations are asking too much cash for too little product. Resizing and recasing SJ’s original ideas won’t cut it for much longer. Is this the turning point when the Apple bubble burst?

(Answer: No. Apple Shares price always works inversely to anything else. So logical reasoning cannot be applied here)
 
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Hardware locked contents in these days & age? Good luck with that. When every other service provider is trying to be as much platform agnostic as they can & rightfully so, this decision from Apple came as a backward move. Considering they see Service/Content provision as their major growth areas, I think Apple should refrain from locking their contents to iDevices/Mac if they really want to be successful as a service/content provider.
 
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Ad-free is the only way I’ll watch television in any form, and I’m willing to pay for it. I already do with Hulu/Netflix/Amazon Prime. I haven’t watched live television in years, and I don’t miss it.

The only television commercials I see are at the gym or in a waiting room somewhere. Television commercials are unbearable to me. So insulting to anyone’s intelligence.
Especially these.
The number one reason why I never watch live TV and feel like smashing anyone TV who watches these ads live.
 
I didn't bother to even look for Planet of the Apps or Carpool Karaoke. Neither show seemed all that interesting and to be honest I'm not even sure how to access them. Where they offered like all their other television shows, pay for a season or individually?

If Apple doesn't offer something like the Netflix model I don't think I'm going to be very interested. I have zero interest in buying television shows, movies are different for me, I like owning movies to watch again and again, but there are very few shows I'd want to do the same with.
 
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Carpool Karaoke and that app show (that no one watched) are literally prime examples on why Apple should stay away from this space. This screams 90's Apple, they are stretching themselves wayyyy too thin.

Well no they aren’t, they just refuse to spend any of their billions on anything. So I guess they are spreading themselves very thing, but it’s by their own business plan and design as opposed to any external fources, that’s Cooks Apple for you.

They could easily have massive talent and big shows if they spent some money, a billion doesn’t come close.
 
Maybe Apple thinks if they make TV shows and Movies that is only playable on Apple hardware, they will sell more devices, similar to how Apple once treated their software, post-Apple Clones.

Apple would charge premium prices for their hardware, which was good quality, but it was the excellent software Apple provide to entice people to buy their expensive hardware. Even when Apple charged for the Mac OS, I don't think it was a huge money maker for them. But, if you wanted to use the Mac OS or iOS (legally), you had to buy their hardware. Apple's software has gone downhill lately, so this is probably not the case anymore though.

I've thought from the get-go that this *might* be Apple's strategy. It looks to me like there are two very different routes that Apple could take with their emerging video platform.

1. Brand-boosting boutique strategy: Invest about $1 bn per year in a decent-sized (but not huge) catalog of high-quality originals that fit with the Apple brand and create some buzz/critical acclaim/awards nominations. Offer that content exclusively through their TV app on Apple TV, iPhone, and iPad at no cost to the user. Those Apple exclusive shows will help differentiate Apple products from other hardware platforms (Android, Roku, Amazon), bolster the market perception of Apple as a premium brand, and provide another reason for folks to buy and stick with Apple hardware. Apple original video content and the TV app would be to iOS/tvOS what iLife and iTools/.Mac were to the Mac last decade. In this scenario, the money Apple spent on original video would largely be viewed as a marketing/operations expense (although the content could be monetized later through other channels such as iTunes, DVD and Blu-ray sales).

2. Competitive OTT subscription service strategy: The ultimate goal is to have a service that can compete against Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Video and the forthcoming "Disneyflix" as a major new profitable product line for Apple, like Apple Music already is. To begin with, as Apple builds its catalog and doesn't have very much content to offer, they'll either need to start out the new standalone service at a lower price relative to competitors or perhaps offer it exclusively as a low-cost add-on to Apple Music (for, say, an extra $4/mo). In either case, if they're serious about drawing in subscribers and competing with the big boys, they'll need to support multiple hardware platforms, not just Apple's own. Which would mean, at the least, apps for Android mobile, Roku and Chromecast, plus perhaps Android TV, Samsung and LG's smart TV platforms, Xbox One and PS4. (Whether they could work out a deal to get the app on Amazon Fire TV and Fire tablets is questionable.) As their catalog and subscriber base grew, they could raise the price of the service and/or spin it out as a standalone service if it was originally offered only as an add-on to Apple Music.

Will be interesting to see which way they go.
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I actually think some of the upcoming Apple TV shows sounded interesting, and they certainly have major talent involved.

But the problem was when I heard they’d all be “family-friendly.” Now if 25% or even half of them were, then...fine. But ALL??

Nope, sorry... this “network” is dead already.

I disagree. There's definitely a market for high-quality ad-free shows that would garner TV14 and TVPG ratings. There's no reason storytellers can't tell compelling stories with high production values without constantly dropping F-bombs or showing nudity and explicit sex scenes. (I'm not saying that a "no TVMA" strategy wouldn't preclude Apple from being able to tackle certain stories in a credible way. It would take some scripts off the table for them. But there are plenty of other outlets where those can and do already go between Netflix, HBO, Showtime, etc.) Keep in mind that Netflix's Stranger Things is rated TV14 and Lost in Space is TVPG.

Now, if by "family-friendly" you think that Apple is trying to create a competitor to the Hallmark Channel (i.e. content with zero cursing, zero violence, nothing edgy or dark), well, yeah, I wouldn't see that strategy working out too well. But I think it's pretty apparent from the show descriptions and talent involved so far that that isn't the case.
 
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Love it how people continually think money is the fix for everything. Maybe you can explain why some of Apple's first party software is atrocious given how much cash in the bank they have. Talent doesn't always go where the money is.

Right on. You have to have money AND a noble mission.
 
I didn't bother to even look for Planet of the Apps or Carpool Karaoke. Neither show seemed all that interesting and to be honest I'm not even sure how to access them.
I agree I think they are in the TV app. For a service with original content they don't promote it at all. Other services nag you like crazy begging you to watch there original programs by putting big banners in there apps.
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Now, if by "family-friendly" you think that Apple is trying to create a competitor to the Hallmark Channel (i.e. content with zero cursing, zero violence, nothing edgy or dark), well, yeah, I wouldn't see that strategy working out too well. But I think it's pretty apparent from the show descriptions and talent involved so far that that isn't the case.
I hate MA rated shows but I am not even going to renew the Hallmark Channels Movie service when my year it up. Talk about going too far in the clean department and this is me saying this. I hate bad profanity (f-word, racial slurs), graphic violence and sex but the movies and shows on there are so "clean" that they are just boring. Really boring sappy predictable love stores.
 
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If Apple were smart - they would go after Trump to make original content with them. Of course, that would be to offensive to way to many people and the company would never do it because it would be "offensive".

Those that think Hollywood speaks for the majority of America are out of their minds and another reason why TV cord cutting is at an all time high. Hollywood seems to think that all of America is Hollywood and NYC... and, it's just not.
What you say is why I suspect the family friendly programming angle is temporary. Disney followed this model, and to a degree Netflix as well, start family friendly and gain brand loyalty with families. Then, turn up the heat like a frog in water.

Apple is firmly in a camp when it comes to culture and politics. It would be more understandable if Apple did anti-Trump anti-middle America cultural programs. We know Apple is a company that believes strongly in leftist politics, which makes the sell of family-friendly (which is a term that many in the left have problems with, for being code) a point of confusion. I'm confused by this, unless I see it as a step toward another message.
 
I have to say I agree with him. Apple's "original" content has been very lackluster - and does not have a collection of "it" shows like Netflix does.

So far Apple's original programming has been very uninspiring and has not caught on to mainstream appeal like a Netflix Stranger Things where people sign up just to watch it. Apple needs something like that - a few times over - before they become a big player in original exclusive content.

I am not saying it won't happen eventually - because eventually, it will.. but I don't think Apple becoming a media powerhouse in original programming is going to happen within the next 2-5 years.

Any "dragged out" things like this, i'm always hesitate to say "it will be laid to rest"

We seen that many times with Apple products as well.... so the same could always be true for this as well.. It may happen, but it also may not. My take is it won't happen in 2-5 years....

If Apple was committed to something we would have seen more process by now, or at the minimum, media press about what Apple is up to. but we ain't seen squat, but a 'cliff hanger" by Tim cook
 
Carpool Karaoke and that app show (that no one watched) are literally prime examples on why Apple should stay away from this space. This screams 90's Apple, they are stretching themselves wayyyy too thin.

No one remembers history and they are doomed to repeat it.
 
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No one remembers history and they are doomed to repeat it.

People also, for some unfathomable reason, keep insisting that Apple is some sort of special snowflake, incapable of learning from their mistakes, leveraging its massive user base or demonstrating the ability to iterate on its industry-leading products.
 
Any "dragged out" things like this, i'm always hesitate to say "it will be laid to rest"

We seen that many times with Apple products as well.... so the same could always be true for this as well.. It may happen, but it also may not. My take is it won't happen in 2-5 years....

If Apple was committed to something we would have seen more process by now, or at the minimum, media press about what Apple is up to. but we ain't seen squat, but a 'cliff hanger" by Tim cook

No, we know that Apple is committing to producing a more robust slate of original TV than they have so far (which is basically just Planet of the Apps and Carpool Karaoke, meh). They've already ordered 13 new series (that is, they've signed contracts, hired people and are forking over real money) and have at least 3 more in development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_original_programs_distributed_by_Apple
 
Apple could very well fail at making great TV shows and movies, but counting them out so soon isn’t a great idea.
 
Apple could very well fail at making great TV shows and movies, but counting them out so soon isn’t a great idea.

I get it. Because counting them in soon is a great idea because they have clearly demonstrated their experience in the media industry.

Curious how they are going to make their streaming service ubiquitous when it's a walled garden. iTunes? :D
 
I get it. Because counting them in soon is a great idea because they have clearly demonstrated their experience in the media industry.

Curious how they are going to make their streaming service ubiquitous when it's a walled garden. iTunes? :D

A) They hired some new people
B) Is it going to be a walled garden or will it be a part of Apple Music on Android?
 
I’m so glad all these random companies have decided to start making TV shows because I just can’t find enough content to watch. /s
 
I wish someone could explain, on the business side of it. How you invest $1 billion into an original TV programme and expect what sort of return? $1 Billion is gigantic amount of money. I know it is tiny in Apple's pocket. But it is still huge.

I am actually strongly against Apple creating an Original TV just to kick start the Apple TV business.
They wish to use their customer loyalty to kick start Apple TV as the gatekeeper of TV programme. And collect 30% of the Subscription revenue. But I doubt that will work, and on a Global view of things, it will never work. I can bet $100 it won't work in Japan, Korea and China. 80% sure it won't work in UK or Germany.

If Apple TV is no longer an hobby, it is a half assed attempt of what they want.

Apple could have provided the infrastructure of TV / Streaming delivery. Basically every Apps that has a subscription via Apple, will have their Video or Audio content streamed via Apple Network. Dramatically saving the huge bandwidth cost. Apple has all the connection with ISP and Mobile Carrier, they could set up a CDN like where Apple Server and Cache are placed near or inside their Network. They could further provide Encoding options in the Cloud, to make things easier for content producers. So content producer can focus on what they do best.

With all these handled via Apple, all of a sudden the 30% cut seems like a bargain.

I've spent a little bit of time in the media industry and I do know that making original programming is horribly expensive.

Even the sums that Apple are spending this year are simply not enough when compared with Amazon, Netflix et al - plus the fact that they all have bigger libraries of original content as they've been at this for a few years.

I don't necessarily think that Apple is going to pay for older content - it's not that marketable and I think that since Netflix caught existing studios napping & built their business on serving out archive content on the web, I doubt that they'd give Apple their archive content for anything approaching a reasonable price.

As I mentioned above, the only way that I can see this being justified is that they're showing that they have some skin in the game before they make a big big purchase of a production company OR sign exclusive production deals with mega producers i.e. your JJ Abrams of this world.

I'm still scratching my head though - this is all going to be really expensive.

Apple have entered in a war that Netflix, Amazon (and soon to be Disney) are already participating in and a talent hiring spree/arms race that is going to get eye wateringly expensive.

And as the Solo movie has proved, the TV/Movie business is a tough one and content can easily misfire (this stuff is hard!) - even 'sure bets' can sometimes fall flat on their face.

As for pricing, perhaps it'll work as a 'bundle' added onto Apple Music i.e. like Amazon Prime.

I just don't know how this can work though unless Apple are prepared to go really really big with this and spend at least $5b a year on this.

And since Beats was by far their biggest acquisition, is it really in their nature to do this? Apple have the cash, but they are very frugal in their spending, usually.

But as I mentioned in another post, perhaps Apple are going to go all out on AVR and to sell AVR hardware, they'll need AVR programming as part of this i.e. we'll all be sitting at home with our Apple TV boxes and Apple Glasses watching 3D AVR TV (you know, like we did with 3D TV. Except we didn't).

So doing this could make strategic sense - plus the monthly recurring revenue. I just don't know. Seems to be an expensive way to get monthly subscriptions and to sell some 3D Glasses. But let's see. I'm sure that Apple doesn't spend a few billion lightly.

Or maybe this is a little bit of R&D as they're getting ready to buy Disney.
 
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