23-inch iMac on September 12th?

[vansouza]

American Express

I didn't mention my US cards...since they have no limit....

My Swiss bank accounts come in handy sometimes.

Once, on a trip to the US, the Avis clerk was a bit suspicious of my US Passport with a Swiss driving license - so they did a credit check on my EuroCard. The clerk's eye's got wide when she saw the report, and she said "Why are you renting - you could just BUY the car!".

Now I have to mention my black American Express card... no limits.. none.

 

[Multimedia]

Great! Now I Have To Wait Another 6 Months For The Santa Rosa MBP

Yes. We do know this. Santa Rosa is an entirely new chipset, and DOES use a completely different socket. Merom is the end of the line. No future chips will be compatible with Yonah/Merom socket.

Kentsfield on the other hand, is almost certainly socket identical to Conroe, which is why Conroe is better for iMac.

Why did you have to remind us that? Now I have to wait another 6 months for the Santa Rosa MBP.

 

[Silentwave]

Mac os x feline names are fun. Merom? merom what?? what's next? Tibor? Gomar-wood? Hysaias? GRRRRRR!Disclaimer: A person named that way is ok. Not microprocessors.

To be specific, what's next is.....*ahem*
Allendale, Kentsfield, Yorkfield, Millville, Wolfdale, Perryville, Ridgefield, Merom (Santa Rosa), Penryn, Clovertown, Harpertown, Tigerton, Dunnington.


Actually its usually people and places named that way, btw.

 

[Erasmus]

Why did you have to remind us that? Now I have to wait another 6 months for the Santa Rosa MBP.

Oh well. There's a one-in-infinity chance that Apple will decide to use those funky low power woodies in the MPB that were mentioned oh so long ago. I suppose there is an equal chance of them shoving in a 3.2 C2DE...

Seems we should all vote to shut down MacRumors for six months, live in complete isolation for that time, and then pop out and buy whatever's out after MWSF 2007. If we don't do this, we'll never buy anything, and I'll be foruming about 32 core Terahertz computers still using my Cube!!!

Yep, Santa Rosa Macbook and a Kentsfield 23" iMac in January sound good to me.

(Assuming I remember correctly in that both Kentsfield and Santa Rosa will be out by the end of the year)

 

[Silentwave]

It will also be more expensive, and far less upgradeable. The Yonah/Merom socket is almost dead. The Conroe socket will live for a while yet. If iMac comes with Merom, it will not be able to be upgraded past Merom. If Conroe is used, people will be able to swap in a Kentsfield, as long as it isn't too difficult to do. Merom stops at 2.33. Conroe goes all the way to 3.2, with Kentsfield going further. I don't know the exact prices, but if Conroe is used, an iMac should be able to be pushed to much higher clocked chips while still staying at a similar price.

Yeah, the upcoming need to switch to Santa Rosa makes me think they'll move to desktop chips since they'd need a new LB anyways.

Rumors say that there may even be a 3.33GHz/1333 FSB XE conroe down the line, TDP probably in line with the 2.93/3.2 at 75-80W, maybe a tad bit hotter, which would make it about in line with a 65nm P4 for heat...actually a bit cooler .

Just for clarity's sake though, Kentsfield will start out as an Extreme, quad core 2.66GHz, so clock will step down a bit (which is why they will still have the 3.2/3.33 Conroes for the apps that aren't fully capable of taking full advantage of the 4 cores yet. Hopefully TDP won't be a huge increase. Considering that the Pentium D's generally ended up between 95 and 130W, while P4s generally hung around the 86W range for same-process (65nm) similar clock chips, it'll probably be decently cool (2.66 conroe has 65w TDP)

 

[corywoolf]

I think some of you are getting your hopes up too much.

More Realistic:

23" iMac HD
256 MB GPU
1 GB RAM
320 Gb Hard Drive
HDMI port standard (Blu-Ray/ HD-DVD/ Xbox 360)
BTO HDTV tuner
Black/ White
Merom

$2,499

Shortly after, will be the Movie Store Announcement with some HD movies available.

 

[Silentwave]

Oh well. There's a one-in-infinity chance that Apple will decide to use those funky low power woodies in the MPB that were mentioned oh so long ago. I suppose there is an equal chance of them shoving in a 3.2 C2DE...

The Xeon 5148LV is 2.33GHz dual core, 1333FSB (only 2x as fast a bus as Merom ) and 4MB L2. 40W TDP (versus 31ish for merom)

Yep, Santa Rosa Macbook and a Kentsfield 23" iMac in January sound good to me.

(Assuming I remember correctly in that both Kentsfield and Santa Rosa will be out by the end of the year)

Kenstsfield will be out in Q4 if all goes according to plan. With Intel doing a pretty good job with keeping up with the roadmap and all I'd say it'll be out on schedule.

Santa Rosa is slated for april 2007 though.

 

[swingerofbirch]

Some of you may recall that that I am delaying shipping in my eMac to be replaced with an iMac until new iMacs are announced.

It's been a bit of a tenuous situation. They sent me a shipping label which is good until September 16. They e-mailed it to me around August 18. So I haven't shipped it yet and they have been calling me asking if I need any assistance.

This last time I leveled with the guy and told him I was trying to wait for a newer iMac. He didn't seem to care! He just said oh ok, just remember that I think that label expires on the 16th.

Then I felt a need to explain myself. They are replacing my 1 gigahertz with a new iMac 17" yonah (tentatively), so there's no right I have really to demand anything else, although it doesn't hurt to wait and ask.

So, I guess to understand this you have to realize that in real life I ramble like Woody Allen on speed. So I started saying how well if we needed to rationalize it we could look at the G4 in my eMac and note that it has a 128 bit vector engine whereas the yonah chip does not have that, but that I believed the core 2 duo chip would have that so I would try to wait to send it in until then. He just kept saying Ok, Ok, Ok, he didnt' seem to care. So I'm hoping still!

 

[eXan]

With speculation that Apple will be switching to NVidia I wonder if this 23" will have the new NVidia with HDMI support ?

Apple is not switching to nVidia.

As for 23 iMac... well iMac is considered a "home" computer and I still find a 20 inch screen pretty big for a "home" computer, but I would mind having it

My pricing prediction on the 23 iMac is that it will cost 1999$ in US

 

[Zwhaler]

No more than $2,499/ £1,799. With the amount of internal room you would get behind a 23" monitor, Apple would have no problem putting in 4 RAM slots and a fast GPU (but I doubt Apple would do a fast GPU anyway).

Either that or they keep the same specs and reduce the size of the "chin". Wouldn't that be nice.

 

[Erasmus]

Yeah, the upcoming need to switch to Santa Rosa makes me think they'll move to desktop chips since they'd need a new LB anyways.

Rumors say that there may even be a 3.33GHz/1333 FSB XE conroe down the line, TDP probably in line with the 2.93/3.2 at 75-80W, maybe a tad bit hotter, which would make it about in line with a 65nm P4 for heat...actually a bit cooler .

Just for clarity's sake though, Kentsfield will start out as an Extreme, quad core 2.66GHz, so clock will step down a bit (which is why they will still have the 3.2/3.33 Conroes for the apps that aren't fully capable of taking full advantage of the 4 cores yet. Hopefully TDP won't be a huge increase. Considering that the Pentium D's generally ended up between 95 and 130W, while P4s generally hung around the 86W range for same-process (65nm) similar clock chips, it'll probably be decently cool (2.66 conroe has 65w TDP)

Hey cheers. I didn't actually know what the clock speed of Kentsfield was, although I did know it will be just two Conroes on one chip. Let's hope the Kentsfield won't melt the iMac!

Cheers also to Silentwave for clearing that up too.

I don't care what the 23" is priced at, just as long as it takes a note from the Mac Pro and has some super funky BTO options.

 

[seenew]

I bought my 20" 2GHz iMac in late June.
This sucks.

 

[Senbei]

Personally I would rather see a mac mini pro. Something with a slightly larger form factor than the mini but that could be equiped with a highend graphics card, a 300 GB HD, merom or conroe, and all of the outputs of a Mac Pro.

Something like this was being discussed a few weeks ago on another site along with a Conroe based scaled mockup of a smaller version of the Mac Pro.



Original source to the above here.

 

[Sped]

23" plus Bluray

Although I think it's still a bit early to suggest Bluray drives will be included on any Mac, a 23" iMac does set the stage for some pretty cool possibilities. I suspect the Mac pro gets a Bluray drive BTO in January. Once Santa Rosa is released in April or so, the iMac will have enough bandwidth and possibly a large enough screen (23") to edit HD video that you'll be able to burn on your Bluray drive. I bought my first mac (the one I'm typing on now) in Jan 02 because it could edit video and burn it to disc. I don't think I could resist if Apple offered that same combination in HD!

 

[Silentwave]

Hey cheers. I didn't actually know what the clock speed of Kentsfield was, although I did know it will be just two Conroes on one chip. Let's hope the Kentsfield won't melt the iMac!

Cheers also to Silentwave for clearing that up too.

awwww shucks...

IF they would only get out the official TDP figures already....but yeah based on the way things have gone in the past, i'd say heat won't be a big problem.

The pentium D 9xx series are dual core chips made the same way that Kentsfield and Clovertown will be: 2 dies in one MCM. In the case of the Kentsfield/Clovertown, these are dual core dies. In the case of the Pentium D 9xx series (Presler) they are single core Pentium 4 Cedar Mill dies.

Pentium 4 Cedar Mill 631 3GHz- TDP 86W
Pentium D Presler 930 3GHz (dual P4 631)- TDP 95W

P4 Cedar Mill 651 3.4GHz- TDP 86W- Jan 2006
Pentium D Presler 950 3.4GHz- TDP 130W- Jan 2006
Pentium D Presler 945 3.4GHz (identical specs)- TDP 95W- July 2006

Also, look at the Core Solo/Core Duo line....Core Solo models have a max TDP of 27W, and clock up to 1.86GHz. But Core Duo goes all the way up to 2.33GHz at only 31W TDP with a whole extra core.

The initial Kentsfield, perhaps a second one might run a bit on the hotter side than later revisions, but the later revisions in that case i'd count on having even better TDPs shortly afterwards. The good news is that the chip it is based on has a max TDP of 65W only.

 

[Erasmus]

Something like this was being discussed a few weeks ago on another site along with a Conroe based scaled mockup of a smaller version of the Mac Pro.

Shouldn't have the sticker. But wouldn't that make a lot of people happy?
Especially if they could push the cost of it down from the Mac Pro by a couple of grand. About 2000 Aussie dollars? What's that? About US$1500?
Similar specs to iMac, fully upgradeable (hopefully like iMac) without a screen. Sounds good to me.

So we are looking at Kentsfield TDP at about 71? That is definitely cool

Pity about Santa Rosa. I can't wait until April, that's way too long!
Merom Macbook 4 me.

 

[Multimedia]

Santa Rosa Won't Be Ready Until Spring 2007 Along With Leopard

Yep, Santa Rosa Macbook and a Kentsfield 23" iMac in January sound good to me.

(Assuming I remember correctly in that both Kentsfield and Santa Rosa will be out by the end of the year)

Last I read, Santa Rosa won't be ready until next Spring about the same time as Leopard.

 

[APPLENEWBIE]

another way to think about it

20" iMac is $1,700.

base macpro is $2200.

Save your pennies (only $500) a little longer, buy the macpro, and get at least 5 years of great performance and upgradeability.

 

[Silentwave]

Last I read, Santa Rosa won't be ready until next Spring about the same time as Leopard.

and to be honest i'd call that optimistic. Perhaps overly so. Either that or SR won't include full final 802.11n at launch.

 

[Erasmus]

20" iMac is $1,700.

base macpro is $2200.

Save your pennies (only $500) a little longer, buy the macpro, and get at least 5 years of great performance and upgradeability.

NO SCREEN. LCD Screens (At least decent Apple made ones) are Expensive. iMac comes with one, Mac Pro does not. 60% price difference between iMac and Mac Pro, as I have mentioned before. I, personally, think that is a lot of money. You may not, I don't know.

Suddenly your $500 becomes a couple of grand.

EDIT: I take pride in reading an entire thread before posting, or at least reading until I find something to post about, posting, and then reading the rest of the thread.

EDIT 2: OK, Sorry about the toasting, but it is frustrating.

 

[TheKrillr]

One more thing... they'll change the name from iMac to Mac, bringing a perfect symmetry to their product line-up:

Mac
Mac Pro

MacBook
MacBook Pro

And they'll release a new iPod, changing its name to MacBook Mini (the apple equivalent of the UMPCs coming out). Then it'll be

Mac Mini
Mac
Mac Pro

MacBook Mini
MacBook
MacBook Pro

 

[Bengt77]

Headless Mac?

What will the headless Mac be called? Can we do a vote?

Possibility A: Mac
Possibility B: Mac mini Pro
Possibility C: Mac Pro mini
Possibility D: xMac
Possibility E: Mac headless

I vote for either A or C, and put my hopes up for A.

 

[CaptainCaveMann]

Eh im just going to get a 1gig stick of ram for my ibook and be happy. That is until Leopard and Santa Rosa come out! Oh ya and ill have an extra 1000 dollars in my pocket to.

 

[Matt T]

Just because it's a mobile chip doesn't mean it's not fast.

Tell you what - you send me your computer, and I'll send you a 367 MHz Pentium III machine. Deal?

I'm not saying it won't be fast - I'm saying it will be a desktop computer with a mobile chip, and paying more than $2000 for that is stupid.

Tell me what the differance is between the Conroe and Memron. Can you list them and can you explain how each will effect a running application.

Here is my take on an answer to the above: Memron uses less power but is otherwise the same. Effect. Less fan noise, less heat.

There is also the memory buss speed. But you have to think about the L2 cache hit ratio and mutliply the differance in buss cycle times by the inverse of the L2 hit ratio. You will get a very small number I bet.

Next about pice: The moble procesor is mre expensive. If they wanted to build a cheapper machine they use the Conroe. But they choose to build a col and quiet machine.

What a REALLY suspect is Apple wants to minimize the number of designes they have to sell and support so they make the imac and the MBP use the same internal design and the Mac Mini and Macbook share the same design and use memron all around

Conroe's larger L2 cache, higher clock speeds and faster FSB will benefit applications; especially Rosetta applications. Putting Conroe - a more powerful chip - into a lower-end machine makes no sense, and who said anything about another Mac anyway?

Now that Apple use Intel chips, they can't hide behind the Megahertz Myth anymore - in order to be competitive, they need to use suitable chips. For $2000, I could get a very nice Dell (hardware wise - forget software for now) with a Conroe, so why would anyone buy a similar priced system with worse specs? Will that attract more customers? Will that cause PC users to say "wow, I think I'll switch now"? No, it won't. Merom is a very nice chip, but putting it in the iMac is a bad choice.

 

[aafuss1]

Hope the service manual and disassembly photos on other sites gets updated more quickly (less than a week), I like that Sony frequently revises the repair information-faster than Apple