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i do the same gesture i did with launchpad and get spotlight; start to type an app name, hit return, and am working. simple.
It’s a keyboard jockey or not thing. With the current launchpad the hand never leaves the trackpad. Gesture - tap done. It’s muscle memory. It’s instantaneous after all these years. Now it’s gonna take a new workflow and naturally some of us aren’t thrilled. Some will adapt and others don’t want to lose what they have. Different (keyboard) strokes for different folks. ;) End of the day we adapt.
 
It’s a keyboard jockey or not thing. With the current launchpad the hand never leaves the trackpad. Gesture - tap done. It’s muscle memory. It’s instantaneous after all these years. Now it’s gonna take a new workflow and naturally some of us aren’t thrilled. Some will adapt and others don’t want to lose what they have. Different (keyboard) strokes for different folks. ;) End of the day we adapt.
you're not hearing me; the SAME trackpad gesture opens spotlight, and... there is is, applications.
 
you're not hearing me; the SAME trackpad gesture opens spotlight, and... there is is, applications.
Yeah, the issue here is that you can't set how the applications are arranged in this new view. Part of the muscle memory is knowing "where to click" in LaunchPad for your app, because you can lay out the apps on the grid however you like and macOS will present it consistently.

This whole thing boils down to there no longer being a way to set up your apps with your own layout on a hierarchical grid, which was a handy way to launch things. Not everyone used it, but clearly there are people who did and found it to be useful.

(Yes, you can start moving apps into subfolders in the Applications folder and "sort of" get this back, but that is something that didn't have to be managed before. That creates more mess with dealing with app updates, apps with installers that don't give you a choice of where to put it, etc. I use Homebrew casks to manage my apps so this approach is immediately a non-starter. And in any case, in most views this is still going to force you into an alphabetical layout, while LaunchPad allowed you to use your own arbitrary layout.)

This is like if Apple took away your personalized iPhone home screen app layout and forced you to use the "app library", or type into the search field, or use a strictly alphabetical list to find apps on your phone. I think a lot more people would be complaining about that...
 
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you're not hearing me; the SAME trackpad gesture opens spotlight, and... there is is, applications.
I hear you perfectly. Gesture + tap vs Gesture + type are not the same. It’s once it’s there that differs that’s all. As said many times, all will adapt but we are not robots that have to like the new way more than the old way. A simple solution is to allow a Launchpad like arrangement of applications once the Spotlight Applications section is open. Essentially a mini Launchpad in Spotlight, and thus both you and I and a host of others are rocking. Voicing these ideas is important. In fact, a more compact Launchpad that doesn’t require a full desktop per page is a great opportunity for Apple to make, for those that like that arrangement, even if the tap targets are smaller. Cognitive and muscle memory will kick in.
 
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Yeah, the issue here is that you can't set how the applications are arranged in this new view. Part of the muscle memory is knowing "where to click" in LaunchPad for your app, because you can lay out the apps on the grid however you like and macOS will present it consistently.

This whole thing boils down to there no longer being a way to set up your apps with your own layout on a hierarchical grid, which was a handy way to launch things. Not everyone used it, but clearly there are people who did and found it to be useful.

(Yes, you can start moving apps into subfolders in the Applications folder and "sort of" get this back, but that is something that didn't have to be managed before. That creates more mess with dealing with app updates, apps with installers that don't give you a choice of where to put it, etc. I use Homebrew casks to manage my apps so this approach is immediately a non-starter. And in any case, in most views this is still going to force you into an alphabetical layout, while LaunchPad allowed you to use your own arbitrary layout.)

This is like if Apple took away your personalized iPhone home screen app layout and forced you to use the "app library", or type into the search field, or use a strictly alphabetical list to find apps on your phone. I think a lot more people would be complaining about that...
This 100%.
 
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I hear you perfectly. Gesture + tap vs Gesture + type are not the same. It’s once it’s there that differs that’s all. As said many times, all will adapt but we are not robots that have to like the new way more than the old way. A simple solution is to allow a Launchpad like arrangement of applications once the Spotlight Applications section is open. Essentially a mini Launchpad in Spotlight, and thus both you and I and a host of others are rocking. Voicing these ideas is important. In fact, a more compact Launchpad that doesn’t require a full desktop per page is a great opportunity for Apple to make, for those that like that arrangement, even if the tap targets are smaller. Cognitive and muscle memory will kick in.
how many changes have you adapted to since you started using a mac? you'll adapt to this one... or find a workaround.

certainly no harm in discussing concerns, disappointment. along with tech help, this forum is a great place to discuss...
 
how many changes have you adapted to since you started using a mac? you'll adapt to this one... or find a workaround.

certainly no harm in discussing concerns, disappointment. along with tech help, this forum is a great place to discuss...
Brother I totally agree with you. It’s not to incite argument or bickering. So many aspects of macOS have and will change and not always for the better. I’m looking at you Music vs old iTunes. On the flip side, Continuity continues to expand beautifully with each successive year. And in your case and mine, Logic Pro is the bread and butter for us. Common grounds, and not so common grounds. Makes it all fun as long as we stay jovial about it. IMHO, modern Apple feels like there are opposing forces within each division, where you get something awesome offset with something poorly thought out or executed, and all of it wrapped up in a ball of hyper cringe marketing speak. So here we all are to poke and prod at it all.

I’m excited for Tahoe, because it feels like the Mac is making conversations again and I love that. Look at all the Finder icon stuff. It is making me smile, pun intended. If I had to choose between a Mac and an iPhone, it would be the Mac every time. Logic and core audio. End of story. The Mac is the foundation of everything at Apple, so screw up the Finder Icon, mess with Launchpad, make the menu bar troll us, at least there is some thought and opinion being given to my favourite platform. That’s a good thing for a change. Add to that, I’m currently using an M2 Air for music thanks to  silicon, in a makeshift position where I will be settling on the next MBP revision. Leaving the desktop world as it suits me better today.

At least we didn’t have to have ‘live screensavers’ as the lead feature at this year’s WWDC, which by the way still don’t work reliably for some of us all year long, when choosing the Classic Mac option. 😂
 
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Brother I totally agree with you. It’s not to incite argument or bickering. So many aspects of macOS have and will change and not always for the better. I’m looking at you Music vs old iTunes. On the flip side, Continuity continues to expand beautifully with each successive year. And in your case and mine, Logic Pro is the bread and butter for us. Common grounds, and not so common grounds. Makes it all fun as long as we stay jovial about it. IMHO, modern Apple feels like there are opposing forces within each division, where you get something awesome offset with something poorly thought out or executed, and all of it wrapped up in a ball of hyper cringe marketing speak. So here we all are to poke and prod at it all.

I’m excited for Tahoe, because it feels like the Mac is making conversations again and I love that. Look at all the Finder icon stuff. It is making me smile, pun intended. If I had to choose between a Mac and an iPhone, it would be the Mac every time. Logic and core audio. End of story. The Mac is the foundation of everything at Apple, so screw up the Finder Icon, mess with Launchpad, make the menu bar troll us, at least there is some thought and opinion being given to my favourite platform. That’s a good thing for a change. Add to that, I’m currently using an M2 Air for music thanks to  silicon, in a makeshift position where I will be settling on the next MBP revision. Leaving the desktop world as it suits me better today.

At least we didn’t have to have ‘live screensavers’ as the lead feature at this year’s WWDC, which by the way still don’t work reliably for some of us all year long, when choosing the Classic Mac option. 😂
ha, also running logic (& fcp) on an m2 air, and loving the whole thing. tahoe's good so far; feels faster than sequoia, pretty stable for an early beta. and all my logic plugins work.

some buggy stuff, but nothing to keep me from working. good times
 
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I like the Launchpad of Sequoia because I organize my applications in folders and I don’t always remember the spelling of the program before I go looking for it.
you can do that in the dock. or create folders of aliases on the desktop; or a folder on the desktop with folders with aliases in groups.

am surprised ppl don't remember app names; i always would open launchpad to find the specific app i want, so i find it extremely easy to adapt to tahoe.

still, i see how this could be complicated when you want an app and don't think of it's name first 🤔
 
I probably do not “need” 250 applications, but it adds up quickly. I use my Mac as a productivity tool, with all M365 apps. I also use it for entertainment, so games and various apps to work with multimedia. Of course there is a suite of reference tools, and utilities to keep servers, NASes, desktops, laptops and mobile devices running. Finally I am a photographer, and have the entire Adobe Crfeative Suite installed, as well as a few other graphics packages. The real culprit though are all my small graphics and multimedia utilities. I easily have 3 apps for HDR alone, and then comes apps for every aspect of photo manipulation and workflow you can think of. They say it takes a village, and that’s true for apps as well…
 
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I probably do not “need” 250 applications, but it adds up quickly. I use my Mac as a productivity tool, with all M365 apps. I also use it for entertainment, so games and various apps to work with multimedia. Of course there is a suite of reference tools, and utilities to keep servers, NASes, desktops, laptops and mobile devices running. Finally I am a photographer, and have the entire Adobe Crfeative Suite installed, as well as a few other graphics packages. The real culprit though are all my small graphics and multimedia utilities. I easily have 3 apps for HDR alone, and then comes apps for every aspect of photo manipulation and workflow you can think of. They say it takes a village, and that’s true for apps as well…
thankfully, there are numerous ways to organize apps (like folders in the dock, or aliases in folders on the desktop. etc 👍
 
We'll see... I am not switching away from LaunchPad, and it still works in Tahoe. If Apple (in their infinite stupidity) take away LaunchPad I will start using QAL PRO. I shouldn't have to, but alas...

No one can convince me this new way is an easier way of starting apps, unless you have but a few, and know all their names.
 
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We'll see... I am not switching away from LaunchPad, and it still works in Tahoe. If Apple (in their infinite stupidity) take away LaunchPad I will start using QAL PRO. I shouldn't have to, but alas...

No one can convince me this new way is an easier way of starting apps, unless you have but a few, and know all their names.
apple has already killed launchpad, so not sure how long workarounds will last (altho, for this who want it, hope it does in fact last). you can certainly move to another app, or find other ways of doing what you need. good to have options...
 
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For me it’s much easier to just type the keys

My hands are usually already on the keyboard and I don’t even need to
This, however, provided that you IMMEDIATELY and ALWAYS, remember the name of the app you want to open (ok not word or excel), maybe among many. I find truly much more reliable to recall the location the app is or its icon... names not always are so direct and remembered ...
 
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This, however, provided that you IMMEDIATELY and ALWAYS, remember the name of the app you want to open (ok not word or excel), maybe among many. I find truly much more reliable to recall the location the app is or its icon... names not always are so direct and remembered ...

I can’t imagine needing to use an app that I don’t know the name of

That makes no sense to me
 
i can understand it, sort-of, if one does have hundreds of apps. but i always go for the app i am first thinking of, so the tahoe method is perfectly sound. i haven't missed launchpad at all
 
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