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This is completely ridiculous, if you use a Mac, there isn't a single retina-quality monitor (4K at 24" or less or 5K at 27" or less) available to buy in Europe, apart from Apple's 6K XDR Display, which very few can afford. Why can't we have the iMac panels as standalone displays, and/or the return of target display mode?

Not quite true... there is a single 24" 4K retina-quality monitor made by LG for ~$300 (the LG 24UD58-B). I'm using one for my mac mini. There used to be a second by Dell, but that one seems to have been discontinued.
 
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This is completely ridiculous, if you use a Mac, there isn't a single retina-quality monitor (4K at 24" or less or 5K at 27" or less) available to buy in Europe, apart from Apple's 6K XDR Display, which very few can afford. Why can't we have the iMac panels as standalone displays, and/or the return of target display mode?

This is exactly why I decided to just buy a used 5k iMac instead of a 2nd monitor for my MBP. Best purchase ever... nothing really compares to the iMac 5k display and it's a perfect computer to work from home. I wish I could use it as a 2nd monitor for my MBP though... does anyone know if there are any ways to do this?
 
Not quite true... there is a single 24" 4K retina-quality monitor made by LG for ~$300 (the LG 24UD58-B). I'm using one for my mac mini. There used to be a second by Dell, but that one seems to have been discontinued.
I am using 2 of these for an M1 Mini. They are great. I prefer smaller, retina displays because I like to sit close to the monitors. When sitting close to larger displays, the corners of the displays are hard to see and have significant color shift.

I did change out the stands with my wife's Dell stands that she was not using. The limitations of of the approximately $300 LGs are non-adjustable stands and not being able to control the monitor settings with the keyboard. A third may be max brightness at 250 nits, but I have not had an issue. I thought this would be a major issue, but I find that I actually turn down the brightness on the display.
 
I don't understand the hate for this monitor, it's the same panel as the 27" iMac. The quality is superb. My only complaint is it doesn't support HDCP.
 
It's time - high time - for something along the lines of a new Thunderbolt Display....

While I agree and think the TB display was nice, we need to also be realistic about price and features. The issue with the TB display - apart from its usual glossy only nonsense - was that it wasn’t cheap while at the same time lagging in technical aspects.

Apple doesn’t have a display manufacturing line and will just throw somebody else’s panel into a fancy case and then attempt to sell it for 5+ years where the competition pumps out new displays much quicker.
 
I mean, I’m using a 27’ 4K LG and it may not be perfect ‘Retina’ quality by Apple’s standards, but I’m sure not paying $1300 CAD more for the ultra fine 5K. (It’s $1,699.95 in Canada.)
 
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Dam, I just got a new LG Ultrafine 4k 32” because I can’t wait anymore. Great monitor though.
 
Not quite true... there is a single 24" 4K retina-quality monitor made by LG for ~$300 (the LG 24UD58-B). I'm using one for my mac mini. There used to be a second by Dell, but that one seems to have been discontinued.
4K at 24 inches is slightly too large for Apple's idea of Retina, though.
 
True. But there are only two options otherwise: 1) Wait for Apple or another company comes out with a 'true' retina display, or 2) purchase the LG 27 inch. I chose the cheap option that is close to 'true' retina until a more acceptable option exists.
 
I waited for years for this and finally broke down and bought an XDR. It's a beautiful display but I am still hoping for a reasonable 5K retina solution from Apple for my other Macs. I'd like to retire by 30" Cinema Display.
 
Good. They're garbage. The backlight is as even as a minefield. The viewing angle is so narrow that there is no angle from which you can see the entire screen with the same shade of colors. The bottom will be grey and the top will be black, but if you tilt the screen then the top will become grey and the bottom will be black. No in between. Your two eyes will see different shades of color due to the slight difference in their position and therefore your brain will start telling you that you are having a stroke. The simplest grey gradient will have shades of pink, green and every color of the rainbow. If you tilt your head differently they will become different colors. Also, it will have a ton of banding, way more than on your laptop's (supposedly worse?) display. It's advertised as 10 bit but it has worse banding than your 8 bit display in your MacBook. Seriously, if you're used to your "pretty good" MacBook Pro screen then this is 10 steps back from that. It is absolutely not suitable for any kind of image or video work. It's fine for browsing the web but these are supposed to be high end consumer displays, not low end garbage for the average computer user.
Didn't know all that. Anything you would recommend?

The panel of course is fine. A lot of people are turned off because of the aesthetics and the price. Hard to understand why a 27" monitor is only a few hundred dollars cheaper than a whole 27" iMac.
I'm sure economy of scale has something to do with that. Although they are expensive relatively speaking.

Both are close to being considered technological antiques. My guess, updates are on the way. Hopefully they are better priced.
 
The LG monitor is amazing. I have one next a Dell 32" 4K, and the difference is night and day. Ignoring resolution, the LG is much blacker, has less glare, and the webcam and internal speakers are an order of magnitude better than what's in the latest MBPs.
 
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Aaaaaand there continues to be absolutely no viable option to have an external macOS display with Retina. Which, since non-Retina text rendering has gotten considerably worse since High Sierra, is quite a problem.

Seems like using a Mac (other the iMac) in an office environment is no longer a setting Apple wants to support.
I’ve tried a P-series from Dell, and I’ve got a U-series on order, but I expect the text to be gross and jagged on that, too.

I don’t want to spend a pile of cash, but I sure would like an option that looks nice to plug in to my MacBook Pro in the office.
 
Good. They're garbage.

I wasn’t impressed when I inspected an LG 21” 4k monitor at an Apple Store. It was connected to a 16” MacBook Pro. The thick bezels are rather ugly and the cheap plastic made it feel like LG had used a leftover chassis design from over ten years ago.

What was really funny was how the store was displaying the 27” LG 5k monitor. They had it connected to a 2013 Mac Pro (which isn’t equipped to handle 5k and Thunderbolt 3), so everything looked fuzzy and distorted. I was appalled. I wanted to call out the store manager about this but I just left. SMH.
 
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That is simply not true for the current model. Yes, the first generation was problematic. But I'm just sitting in front of one bought in June last year and the display quality is perfect and very useable for image work! The panel is just as good or bad as the one from iMac.
I also don’t get the complaints about them being “ugly”. how? Just because the bezel on the top is a bit thicker to accommodate the camera? It’s a simple, understated design that I quite favor. Aesthetically, I think they look better than most monitors on the market — better than the iMac with its comically huge bezels. And they work fine, as basically the only thing on the market that does what it does, unfortunately. I have two (one on either side of an iMac Pro) and the only real complaint I have — which I’ve almost never seen anyone else bring up — is that they have terrible image retention. If it wasn’t for that it’d be quite happy with them, unfortunately that alone is a pretty big issue.
 
Not quite true... there is a single 24" 4K retina-quality monitor made by LG for ~$300 (the LG 24UD58-B). I'm using one for my mac mini. There used to be a second by Dell, but that one seems to have been discontinued.

I was lucky to find a refurbished one from Acer with ultra-thin bezels (which they no longer produce). I couldn’t be more happy with it. From a short distance it looks as good as Retina resolution to me.
 
I was thinking the same thing as you. But then I checked the UK LG site for the 5k monitor, and it says 'discontinued'.
Interesting. It is widely available in the US, including from LG's web site, Best Buy, Apple, etc. after having been unavailable or with long lead times in the second half of 2020. Perhaps LG is having supply issues.
 
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I wasn’t impressed when I inspected an LG 21” 4k monitor at an Apple Store. It was connected to a 16” MacBook Pro. The thick bezels are rather ugly and the cheap plastic made it feel like LG had used a leftover chassis design from over ten years ago.

What was really funny was how the store was displaying the 27” LG 5k monitor. They had it connected to a 2013 MacBook Pro (which isn’t equipped to handle 5k and Thunderbolt 3), so everything looked fuzzy and distorted. I was appalled. I wanted to call out the store manager about this but I just left. SMH.
I find this extremely hard to believe. Apple would not have a 2013 MacBook Pro out on the sales floor for any kind of demo. Unless you saw a customers system testing out the monitor. But an Apple store with a 2013 on the sales floor?.....never.
 
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A built-in Thunderbolt hub is cool, but not worth almost $1k.
Regardless, there isn’t even another 5k 27” on the market, period. There’s nothing “average” about it. It’s well above average in terms of overall picture quality alone. It’s not like an Apple-designed monitor of the same caliber is going to be significantly cheaper, if at all.
 
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I also don’t get the complaints about them being “ugly”. how?
I have a couple of the 4K 21.5" and I love the design. Its minimalist and very very simple. I hate most of the mainstream monitors with different materials and finishes on the chin, then the sides of the screen have a little bezel, then you can see the actual case outside that bezel.
 
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If you need a nice but cheap „retina“ monitor, try to get a used Dell P2415Q. 185 PPI, quality looks as good as my 15“ rMBP and it has 99% sRGB colors. Also very good built quality and ergonomics.
I paid 209 euros for mine. Until there are affordable 27” 5K options, this is a very good alternative.
 
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