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Discussion in 'Jailbreaks and iOS Hacks' started by jimmy83, Sep 13, 2009.
Any rough idea when this is coming out?
If it doesn't say here, it won't say anywhere.
It's getting harder and harder to jailbreak.
I like apple products but this is one of the things that seriously aggravates me about apple... let people do what they want with their devices. They paid for it.
Mobile device hacking is a hobby and preference for a LOT of people.. Apple needs to GET OVER IT.
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I don't see much benefit to jb'ing 3.1. No must have features. I'm waiting for 4.0
im with you there....no rush for 3.1
I beg to differ. I really want the voice control with my Plantronics 925 Bluetooth. The best feature for 3.1 in my opinion. I really
hope the jailbreak comes out soon!!!
It really is a lot smoother and better memory management. As long as your phone doesn't lock up to nothing >_<.
I don't think it's quite that simple..if it was, Apple wouldn't be as successful as they are now.
And you base this opinion on what information?
Read Saurik's message about upgrading to 3.1 in Cydia.
I did. Nothing new that he doesn't say after every new firmware.
I'm sure the biggest issue Apple has with jailbreaking is that it allows people to install all kinds of free app store apps on their phones. They have a right to prevent this because the devs and Apple are losing millions of dollars over this a year.
Look at the TomTom app. It was available for free TWO hours after it was released. Those people got donations from others to buy it, crack it and then offer it for free. There were over 4000 downloads of it on day one.
I don't blame Apple at all for doing what they are doing now.
No, it's becoming harder to unlock new iPhones. Jailbreak is the same.
I thought that for a bit but then I realized what I missed.
The device is yours, the software it uses is not. You are only licensed the OS. Unless we can get an iPhone without ANY software pre-installed, we will always have to reverse engineer what apple has loaded up on it, in this case....OSX. All of this is in the EULA.
they don't want to allow jailbreaking because it allows people to pirate appstore software. that's probably a bigger issue than the apps available through cydia.
ya I keep forgetting about the pirated appstore apps... I just consider things like backgrounder and UI tweaks to be fairly harmless or at the very least use at your own risk.
I think you're right, and I also think that if all jailbreakers did was use apps like backgrounder or winterboard, Apple would have very little incentive to try to prevent jailbreaking. In fact it probably helps Apple overall. I know I would have been more hesitant to jump on the iPhone bandwagon if I couldn't have jailbroken my iPhone.
However if pirating appstore apps becomes big time, then developers of paid apps will pressure Apple to close the security holes that allow jailbreaking, and Apple will probably end up complying. And as a professional SW dev myself, I can't say I blame them. Rather I would blame the pirates. It's kind of like a situation around where I live with farm stands. Farmers used to be able to put out a table next to the road with crates of tomatoes or whatever, and a cashbox with a slot, and a sign asking people to put the right amount of money in the cash box and help themselves to the veggies. This actually worked out fine for years, until some people started stealing the cash boxes. Whichever jerks did this probably thought they were being clever, but all they ended up accomplishing was making it so farmers could no longer have unmanned farm stands. Some people just don't know a nice thing when they see it, or simply don't care.
Similarly, Apple users currently don't have to deal with software activation like users of Microsoft software do. Apple just trusts users to pay for their software rather than copying it. However I'm sure if enough people started pirating Apple software to the point that it seriously cut into their sales, Apple would be forced to start adding some kind of software activation like Windows users have to suffer through. I hope that doesn't happen.
If they would only unlock the phones, I bet a lot of people wouldn't bother jailbreaking anymore. My phone is jailbroken purely to unlock it. I bought it, I've paid O2, I just want to use it on vodafone, and to do that I have to jump through these cretinous hoops.
I don't want themes, I don't want backgrounder, I've got no hacked apps, no cycorder, nothing, it's jailbroken ONLY for the unlock. Apple allowing unlocking would decimate the amount of jailbroken phones out there. I'd even pay them for an unlock. Hey apple, how about I give you £20 and you unlock my phone, and I'll go back to not jailbroken?
Becomes big time? It's BEEN big time! And it's not all that hard to find pirated app store apps, too. Likewise, it pisses me off on both levels, that of a user who has to put up with a crippled phone because of this bullsh*t and that of a dev who put time and effort into stuff these people couldn't do on their own if their miserable lives depended on it.
I'm in the exact same boat as you (except in U.S). The only reason I JB is to unlock.
Unless it's PAYG, then you've only part-bought it from Apple and O2.
O2 subsidize it, so you pay the full price(plus any extra usage, etc) over the term of your contract(PAYG may still apply).
If Apple were offiering it un-subsidized(i.e Full price), then it'd probably be priced at over £600(a totally rough guess there, lol).
Right, my contract, which I've paid... That makes it mine now, yes? Paying for something makes it mine?
Although it would be galling, I may just have to stump up the £564 asking price for a factory unlocked phone next time I'm in France...
o2's subsidised price £274
Difference over 18 months between vodafone and o2 for contract (£15p/m) £270. Plus benefit of a 30day rolling sim only contract I can break/change anytime if I need.
Total = £544
Being able to upgrade at will and not have to mess around jailbreaking? Priceless
Plus the Increased resale value at the end
Is the jailbreak for windows out yet, for 3.1?