3 Week old Switcher opinions

Discussion in 'iMac' started by EdT, Sep 19, 2007.

  1. EdT macrumors 6502a

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    As of today, I've owned my 24" IMac for 3 weeks. Here are my quick opinions.

    Glossy screen- Can be an annoyance, especially with a outside window that is behind the screen. Since I am not in the graphic arts business, I would only rate this a 3 on the irritation scale. When the sun isn't in the window I have no problems at all with glare even when all the room lights are on.

    New Keyboard- I like it (I have the USB not the wireless version). But my wife hates it. I use a laptop all day, while she uses a standard desktop, and to me the keyboard 'feel' isn't that different.

    Starting/Setup- The 'Out of the Box' experience for me took about 5 minutes from unpack to online and running. I had posted a question about how to hook up to an existing wireless router to my Mac, but it really turned out to be very easy. And the lack of bloatware asking me to sign up for their service or to try their crippled demo was very much appreciated.

    Documentation- A minus here. Yes you can search the web (or here) and maybe get a quick answer. Or maybe you won't. This kind of reminds me of 'Zork' where if you don't use the right words to ask the question you just get a clever 'put-down' reply. People who have only used Windows or have used it for a large number of years could use at least a 'cheat sheet' of similar commands. Which, yes, exists, both here and other places on the net, but you shouldn't have to buy 'The Missing Manual for OS X' or some similar book to get a complete in-depth explanation of the features and uses of OS X. If you are going to route your help to online files then make sure they are in-depth enough for beginners.

    Traffic signals- I don't know what they are really called, these are the 'close-minimize-max' buttons or lights on a window. My complaints with these are that the 'close' MAY not stop the program but only close the screen, and that the max does not automatically fill the screen. I am withholding an opinion here, because what I am really saying is that they don't work like Windows min-max-close work, and I have already run into occasions (mail for example) where I don't need an open (or even a minimized) window and it makes sense to close all the windows of the mail program without closing the actual program. This one is probably just me needing to change.

    Search- Spotlight blows away Windows search. And I think it's blows away Google desktop search as well, as it finds files faster and doesn't need to first 'index' a list of all the files on your computer by building its own database. Since that is how OS X works natively, it is many times faster.

    IPhoto- This is one of the reasons I bought an IMac. I wanted a program to help me with the many photos I had taken but hadn't properly documented at the time. It's not perfect, but it has done most of the things I wanted, and it came with the computer, and I don't know of a moderately priced Windows program that would work as well. A 7 on a scale of 1 -10.


    There are other programs like IMovie and IWeb that I intend to try but I have been busy cataloging my photos and transferring files and passwords I need from my old PC. I want to emphasize that these are MY opinions. That does not make them facts, but it does represent how I have interpreted the differences between what I was use to and Macs way of doing things.

    Hearing of the WGA problems of a few weeks ago and of MicroSofts attempts to 'push' upgrades onto computers even when the auto-upgrade is turned off ( I haven't heard what is in the upgrades that Microsoft feels so strongly about that they intend to jam it down peoples throat whether they want it or not), I am not at all sorry to leave MS behind.
     
  2. Richard.John macrumors regular

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    The lack of bloatware is what has impressed me. The fact that the OS is so light is superb.
     
  3. negatv1 macrumors 6502

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    It doesn't work like exactly like Windows, because it's not Windows.
     
  4. JAT macrumors 603

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    Most photo pros do not prefer the glossy screens, actually.

    Aaah, just have her use her own keyboard.
     
  5. JBat macrumors regular

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    Really nice write-up. I just switched myself about a week ago and it's been interesting to say the least. There's a pretty steep learning curve coming off of Windoze, and you're right about the lack of an out-of-the-box manual, but places like this are a great resource and I just went ahead and bought a book, so no worries.

    It's been fun and I love the machine. It's smooth-operating and elegant looking with a great GUI. What more can you ask for? I like the fact that it is different than Windows. :cool:

    :apple::apple:
     
  6. JBat macrumors regular

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    I'm pretty sure he gets that part man, he's just making an observation. It's natural for people making the switch to make comparisons to their old OS. Once we get comfortable with OS X, Windows will get smaller and smaller in the rear view mirror. ;)
     
  7. JBat macrumors regular

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    Exactly why I snapped up one of the white 24"ers (I'm not a pro, just an avid amateur). If Apple had seen fit to offer a matte option in the new machines, I'd have a 2.8 extreme sitting on my desk now.
     
  8. nsbio macrumors 6502a

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    OS X has its share of annoyances, although most of them are tolerable. The result of clicking on the green "traffic light" button can not be predicted - it always does something different in every application. SJ must have been on some kind of high-potency greens when he came up with/approved that.
     
  9. Eric5h5 macrumors 68020

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    Did you read the rest of the paragraph? :rolleyes: That was a good post, EdT, and yep, it's definitely useful to have programs running even without having windows opened. The only annoyance is that a few programs do, in fact, quit when you click the close button, so there's a little inconsistency there, but not a huge deal. To be honest I hardly ever use the green button, but when I do (zoom in on a PDF file and then click the max button for example), it works as expected, which is to say it sizes the window to fit the content. I don't actually want it to go full-screen, just "big enough", so that works well.

    --Eric
     
  10. iBookG4user macrumors 604

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    Actually you can predict it because it does a very logical thing, it expands the window to fit the information that is displayed on it. So if it only needs to take up 2/3 of the screen, then it will expand or contract until it takes up 2/3 of the screen. Its not very logical to have an app take up the entire screen if it doesn't need to.
     
  11. nsbio macrumors 6502a

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    Here's a test for you, when you have a minute.

    (i) Launch any application from your dock - any will do for a start- at its default configuration.
    (ii) before you click on the green button, take a guess as to where the window borders will be after you click the button.
    (iii) click on the green button and compare your observation with your prediction.
    (iv) repeat for each application in your dock and, if it is still amusing, in your applications folder.

    It is kind of amusing, actually. We should do the "post your correct guesses percentage" thread or something. There might be some people who would get close to 100% scores, but I would not bet that there will be too many.
     
  12. JBat macrumors regular

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    That's the first time I've heard it explained that way, and it makes sense now. You just get so used to windows 'maximizing' in Windows that it takes some getting used to with the Mac.
     
  13. FatSweatyBlldog macrumors regular

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    Go to system prefernces>keyboard & mouse>keyboard shortcuts.

    You don't have to buy anything, you just gotta poke around ;)
     
  14. Naimfan macrumors 68040

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  15. HLdan macrumors 603

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    Looks like many have given their feedback about this however it's safe to say that the "Windows way" of maximizing the browser window has been wrong from the start and the "Mac way" has always been nothing short of logical.

    The Windows way of pressing the expand button and filling the whole screen with a window is even more out of place with today's monitors being widescreen. I have a 24" iMac and I have Windows installed via bootcamp just for gaming. When I open the infamous Internet Explorer and expand to full screen the website contents show up in the far left side of the screen because most websites are not made for widescreen.
    This is why Apple's way of expanding the browser window works. If the content fills the whole screen the window will expand to full screen.

    The other programs like iCal, iPhoto, iMovie and Adobe's PDF's all expand to fill the screen because the content for each is made for any size of the window.

    So in early days the Windows way with small (non-wide) screens worked but not now. I never surf full screen anyway, I prefer to have access to my desktop.
     
  16. imac/cheese macrumors 6502a

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    What is it about iPhoto that you didn't like?
     
  17. AdeFowler macrumors 68020

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    Great write up.

    I agree with you regarding the documentation (or lack of). The built in Help is pretty good, but is far from perfect. For a long time I've thought that Apple should create a really good 'Introduction to OSX' DVD and give it away in Apple Stores, with new Macs, and even in with iPods / iPhones. They're cheap enough to produce and would be great for new or potential new users.
     
  18. RichardI macrumors 6502a

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    HLdan: I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'm about to install Windows (BootCamp) to do some gaming. I'm interested in Combat Flight Simulator 3 and Flight Simulator 2004. My spec's are the same as yours, except that I have a 750GB hard drive. What games are you into, and how does the iMac do with them? Good? Do you think those two games will run well?

    BTW, I've had my iMac for about 3 weeks as well and there is nothing about it that isn't an improvement over Windows. Hardware and software. The more I use it, the more I like it, but I did my research before I bought. The OS and hardware work so well together, I wish I'd bought a Mac years ago.

    Rich :cool:
     
  19. JBat macrumors regular

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    I'm gonna jump in here. iPhoto is an okay program for managing photos and light editing, but for anyone serious about their photography it's simply an inadequate tool for manipulating (and even organizing) images. I prefer the Photoshop series of products, but either that or something like Paintshop Pro is necessary for serious image editing.

    Really, it comes down to what your needs are. For many, I'm sure iPhoto is perfectly suitable.
     
  20. rjphoto macrumors 6502a

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    Help me out here.

    My problem with the Max (Green) button is when I want to maximize a finder window to see all columns in list view or more files at one time in icon view.

    Isn't there a script or something to fix that?
     
  21. zioxide macrumors 603

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    It's not a maximize button, it's a zoom button.


    psst, it's a lowercase i, not uppercase. iMac, iPhoto, iMovie, etc.
     
  22. wazgilbert macrumors regular

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    Cheers to teh OP, he could have written my experience. Just switched and I'm lovin it.

    Not nearly so hard a learning curve as I have been in and out of KDE and Gnome as a result of Linux hacking for some years. Tried FreeBSD out of interest for the OSX project, but it still took the latest version of the iMac to really get my attention, well that and the POS winblows box that was dying by small increments!

    Top banana, Apple!
     
  23. EdT thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    The 2 biggest things are the actual picture editing, and the batch re-naming that is inside of IPhoto. Of those 2 items, it's the picture editing which I feel is the bigger concern.

    The picture editing I was use to was, in no particular order, Photoshop Elements, Googles Picassa, and Canons photo editor for the 30D. Of these, I used Picassa the most, as usually I was just to light or dark and just needed to tweak the photo a little. If I was trying to 'stitch' multiple photos together I used Canons software, and if I had a severe problem or wanted to 'layer' stuff I used Elements.

    Now, having said all that the reason I wanted IPhoto was because of its indexing and cataloging capacity, which only Picasso from the above list has. And IPhoto is much better at this than Picasso is. Which does however lead to my second gripe-batch renaming. Inside of IPhoto it works EXACTLY how I would want it to. If I highlight a group of photos and tell it to rename them, for example 'SpaceNebula' the software will rename all the photos SpaceNebula + index number (SpaceNebula01, SpaceNebula02 etc.). But if you use some software (or even just the Finder) and look at the name of the file it still will be the name that the camera originally gave it, something like IMC_1200.JPG, for example. So you have only renamed the pictures inside of IPhoto.

    The rest of IPhotos features such as Smart Albums and being able to group photos into Events by date, keyword, rating or title has helped me with all the photos I had just dumped onto my Windows hard drive. And it is very easy and not time consuming when I get new pictures to organize them also, hopefully preventing me from building up lots of un-organized photos again.

    IPhoto CAN edit and correct photos, I just feel that Picasso was easier. I am not too worried about this, because I have other photo editing software if I need to do more than just light/dark or contrast adjust (including loading the Canon software onto my IMac).

    I will soon be exploring AppleScript and I know I can write a script to batch rename so that the file itself is renamed, so I am not really worried about the IPhoto only rename. And I don't want to make it sound as if you can't do edits or that it takes lots of time/skill to do edits with IPhoto, I just think this is its weakest point. And like I said, it was the cataloging that I really wanted and for the most part I am happy with its performance there.

    And before it looks like I am on a Picasso love-fest, I thought its backup and export features were terrible. And although after I figured out how to create one it wasn't hard, creating a file or CD to do a slideshow was definitely NOT intuitive. File cataloging or picture exporting/moving/copying in Picassa is not as easy as IPhoto and I think it is weaker in those departments than IPhoto is in editing.

    I hope I answered your question.
     
  24. EdT thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Didn't see your post till after I had replied. From now on, it's iPhoto.
     
  25. macflack macrumors newbie

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    Another recent switcher...

    What a wonderful OS. Can't imagine ever going back to Windows.
     

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