But, that abandonware has been kicked off of any new hardware since Catalina removes support for it already. An ARMac system wouldn’t change that.
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Well, this thread has certainly gone off topic. Oh well...
Apple has never announced movement to an ARM for the desktop/laptop Macs. Nope. We learned of the possibility from an Intel stockholders' report a few years ago.
Speaking of abandon-ware, I wish there was something that could just open graphics files created in MacDraw, MacPaint, Claris Draw, ClarisWorks and AppleWorks.
The main reason I still keep a G4 that dual-boots OS 9/10.4.11 is to open album and cassette artwork that I created back in the day.
Apple has never announced movement to an ARM for the desktop/laptop Macs. Nope. We learned of the possibility from an Intel stockholders' report a few years ago.
Speaking of abandon-ware, I wish there was something that could just open graphics files created in MacDraw, MacPaint, Claris Draw, ClarisWorks and AppleWorks.
The main reason I still keep a G4 that dual-boots OS 9/10.4.11 is to open album and cassette artwork that I created back in the day.
LOL! OK, I should have written that as
they'll state that "I know more than you do about Apple" to whomever, regardless of whether they actually know more or not.
Newer fans know well about the phones, tablets, watches, and earphones/headphones and that there's some Mac thing that people are always going on about. From their perspective, Apple's doing fine because them and all their friends are enjoying the heck out of the products and services.
So, there's a disconnect between the new fans and the older fans because the new ones don't understand folks feeling a real (or imagined) wrong or other cause for complaint/protest, especially unfair treatment. Hm... when you spell "grievance" out like that... people feel that they've been wronged or treated unfairly by Apple? I mean, once I age out of the target demographic, and products are no longer being targeted to me, would I feel that's unfair treatment? I don't think so.
I mean, it doesn't make business sense to keep targeting my age group until I'm dead. Because, "after your entire user base is deceased" is the wrong time to try to refocus marketing/products!
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I've used EazyDraw in the past to open up some fairly old files. I think they still offer a free version so you can see if it'll open yours, then pay for it if it's useful for you. (And it's still the only app I know that can export Keynote shapes
Humble membership lol; that’s a good one. There’s nothing humble about the Apple hate around here. They’re completely convinced they’re right, no matter how wrong they are. There’s nothing humble about them.
However, from what I can see you’re complete generalizing based seemingly on ONE person on these forums. Yes, @Baymowe335 consistently brings financial-related facts to bear against trolls and other members of the Apple-hate crowd who post lies and other nonsense here about Apple.
Anyone who thinks they can post bogus crap about Apple’s financials—whether about revenues, markets, products, profits, market share, company operations, executive staff and yes, share price—and thinks they’re going to get away with it likely have another thing coming. Do I always agree with his analysis or arguments? No, only maybe 95% of the time. But I rarely agree with anyone 100% of the time, just as few if any agree with me completely.
Of course this is upsetting to those here who are anti-Apple; why they waste their time posting about a company they claim they don’t like is a question best addressed by psychologists and psychiatrists. But in any case, they and those who prefer to post unsupported BS and outright lies about Apple, and would rather these posts go unchallenged, are certainly upset by fact-based pushback to their crap, but that’s just tough.
Anyway, there are dozens of trolls and others in the Apple-hate crowd (more like hundreds) who I’m sure are driven crazy by Baymowe and others who call them on their crap. Too bad. And there are plenty of posters who still value design and elegance is Apple’s hardware and software. Though you seem somewhat fixated on it, iPhones only have about 20% market share and Macs maybe 8%. Anyone who knows anything about Apple knows exactly how little they care about market share.
But that has zero to do with how fans/fanatics of today compare to those of 30 years ago. Anyone who doesn’t ’t want to see as many comments from Apple fans need only to head on over to 9to5mac to get their fill of unchallenged hate in that cesspool of negativity that is their comment section.
There are always going to be Mac fanatics, and Apple fanatics, and if anything there are fewer now than ever before. How often would you come in contact with an Apple or Mac fan(atic) if you never came to MacRumors forums or other similar websites by your choice? My guess would be almost never.
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I wasn’t addressing applications software at all. OP was worried a switch to ARM was going to turn the Mac into a “Facebook machine”. I took that to mean he thought it meant the Mac would be running iOS. Hence my post that his concern was misplaced, since an ARM Mac would certainly run MacOS.
But folks with abandonware KNOW they have it, right? They're aware that it's no longer actively being supported and they don't even upgrade their OS unless they know the new version is compatible. By the same token, those folks wouldn't buy any new system unless they knew IT was compatible as well.
Apple could release a new 6502 version of macOS and it wouldn't affect the current system folks are using at all.
Wow! I have been asking this question for over 9 years and yours is the first to mention something that might actually work. Thank you.
Interestingly, the 32 bit Retro version of EazyDraw is the only one that can still open these files but it runs over Mojave and will let me save them in the .ezydraw format that I can open in the 64 bit version that runs over Catalina. I still have Mojave on my iMac Pro so it looks like I need to convert every .cwk file I have before upgrading — I can live with that. Apparently the same $95 license covers both versions so I'll be good to go.
Yes!
I worked on a college newspaper two separate times and 20 years apart. The Mac truly revolutionized publishing. OTOH, many on staff had no idea why it was called cut and paste, the role of a blue pencil, What a XActo knife was, or get nostalgic at the smell of rubber cement.
Digital photography was just becoming more affordable, so as a photographer I no longer had to know what size to print an image so it would fit in the allocated spot. No more hours in a dark room either.
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I think it started in the caveman era with Ogg and Thagg arguing whether flint or obsidian made better spearheads.
You were actually addressing concerns that researchers would no longer use Macs because of incompatibilities and issues introduced with the switch to ARM, but go off, I guess.
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Not necessarily. Sometimes software just breaks with a new OS, and once it’s done, it’s done, there’s not necessarily any going back. People also may not necessarily be able to keep using a particular machine indefinitely for myriad reasons, even if they want to.
In the meteorological community I can think of at least one abandonware application that’s still used commonly but has never been replaced by a newer equivalent. Some folks still keep a Windows XP VM around for it.
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By humble, I was referring to the size of the fan/user base, not their attitude.
As for Baymower, his message is consistent and genuine, even if the evidence he brings is no consolation to people who are opining on product shortcomings, bad policies, or bad customer service experiences. No, he is not the worst and is fanatical about only one aspect. The worst offenders are those who use the numbers when all else fails.
You are incorrect about the number of fans and fanatics. If you asked MacRumors, I’m sure they’d tell you that their readership and forum memberships are the largest they have ever been. Which makes the never-ending policing by the fanatics even more concerning. They are highly visible in virtually every thread despite the greater number of posters. They do a disservice by enforcing an echo chamber. And their counterpoints are as predictable and subjective as a troll’s or emotional poster’s. They throw around terms like logical fallacy and demand citations for perceptions as if their reasoning wasn’t equally subjective. In fact, their reading comprehension is typically worst than a troll’s. They are overly sensitive to criticism of the brand and tend to extract more than was implied.
Fortunately, Apple has adopted the stance of providing a tool in the current OS that will inform you if an app you depend on won’t work on the next OS OR a system you’re thinking of migrating too. And there are sites, like this one, that will run articles on “How to tell if your apps work with the ARMac”. There will still be some that blindly upgrade, though... hope they don’t sell their old system first!
Again, though, there are some people who cannot use a given machine indefinitely. There may come a day where they’re just out of luck. No, that doesn’t make Apple the worst company on Earth, but it is a very real concern for some users.
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I’m sorry, but this blows my mind. Not from the US and my parents have neither met each other nor ever been to a capitalist country at the time , but how on earth could a normal person afford to buy that, for what, like 6000$ inflation adjusted? Or is the photo somewhat misleading and a bit staged?October 1984, me
Early 90’s swag , it still works
The original IBM PC-XT was about $4000 in 1984. This was personal computer literally in it's infancy.
A machine that doesn't exist and may never.
Bla, bla, bla, bla...
Try using the internet on a G4 or a WinNT machine. I still have one of each and know how futile that is.
If you need to use certain apps, sometimes you need to upgrade the hardware. MacInTax (now TurboTax) was one such app. Ignoring the fact that you can now use it online so platform doesn't really matter, it isn't possible to use last year's version to do this years taxes.
I worked a Windows support desk for many years. The so-called superiority of the ability to support legacy apps is a figment of many users' imaginations who have no real experience in the matter, Win95 broke a lot of apps as did NT and XT as did 7 (let's not even get into 8) ... The sideshow as people try to keep up with the last 3 years of Win10 automatic updates would be funny if not so sad as users try to keep upright in that clown car.
Time marches on. People who have "real concern"s have to acknowledge this fact.
Why? I don't work for Apple and if I ever hint at what I know, certain engineers will never speak to me again.
Intel says it might and warned their shareholders of the possibility of the ARM a few years ago. All subsequent rumors flow from that report.
It's like everyone knowing that the iPhone will adopt the USB-C connector last year, no—year before, no wait—next year for certain... while Apple is currently fighting the EU legislation that wants to mandate its use. Recent court filings show that Apple has no intention of abandoning the Lightening connector on the iPhone unless forced to. Yet the armchair experts just know...
Don't they always?
Do you have a source for this? The only notable rumor sourced from Intel specifically regarding macOS I’ve seen is from 2019. Prior rumors have been sourced from analysts speculating about the potential impact to Intel of such a move. And, seeing how this impact to revenue would be roughly 5% or less (that would likely be offset by growth elsewhere), it would seem odd that Intel would warn shareholders of a possible offset of only 5%.
If I’m going to form a theory about this without firm evidence, I at least want to be aware of all the non-firm evidence LOL!
Yeah, but folks will forever speculate about all sorts of things, from the mundane to the wildly outlandish. It’s the nature of speculation
Please don’t tell me what I was addressing. OP wrote “I don’t understand why people want the Mac to become a Facebook ARM machine. Just use your iPhone for that...”
As I said, I wasn’t addressing applications software at all. OP was worried a switch to ARM was going to turn the Mac into a “Facebook machine”. I took that to mean he thought it meant the Mac would be running iOS. He literally said “just use your iPhone for that”. The only way that post makes sense is if OP thinks an ARM Mac will run iOS. It won’t.
Don’t try to read more into my post than what I wrote. If you want me to address “researchers” and their applications programs, I can do that, but it has nothing to do with my point.
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I’m not seeing that behavior in the numbers your talking about. Maybe you’re overly sensitive to it. The threads that blow up are typically filled with anti-Apple posts.
If anti-Apple posts can’t stand up to scrutiny by those with facts at hand, don’t blame those that are ripping the crap posts to shreds.
Apple is far from perfect, and there is plenty of valid criticism leveled against them. But there’s plenty of crap posts, and they’ll rightly be challenged.
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Don’t stop after the first few sentences and it’ll all come together.
I clearly explained what I thought OP meant by his post, and replied on that stated assumption.
On the other hand, you told me I was addressing the second paragraph of OP’s post about “researchers”, which is false. Nothing about my post could possibly be construed to mean I was addressing researchers’ applications programs. If I had been, I would have stated that I expect Apple to use Xeon in Mac Pro for at least a decade, so any concern is a bit premature imo.
There was an early evolution of internet via uucp/usenet through academia dial-in shell account which eventually doubled up as dial-up internet access using slirp without having to sign up for AOL/Earthlink/etc.