3D Rendering on Apple Silicon, CPU&GPU

[Herbert123]

Do keep in mind that the only announced product so far is the entry level laptop (albeit in a nice premium chassis with a high-end display). The intended user base are digital nomads, creatives, students, etc… this is not a performance-focused machine. The same chip goes into the MacBook Air and the iPad. The prosumer hardware will be released in a couple of months.

Of course. Looking forward to the M5's inclusion in the Studio later next year.

Yes if M5 Max has the 1.6-1-7 over m4 max boost then its more like 8400-9000, bye bye 5090 Laptop
Hello 5080 desktop in a laptop with loads of Vram and close in memory bandwidth too.

Only if Apple releases a MacBook Pro with an M5 40 cores, or so. Which I doubt will happen. We should be comparing laptops with laptops and desktops with desktop models.

Obviously it will happen for a Mac Studio next year - as a desktop model still way behind the desktop 5090 in terms of expected render performance. But it's still fast. Almost as fast as a 4090. And with the benefit of 64GB or more RAM.

Win some, lose some.

 

[OptimusGrime]

Yes if M5 Max has the 1.6-1-7 over M4 max boost then its more like 8400-9000, byby 5090 Laptop
Hello 5080 desktop in a laptop with loads of Vram and close in memory bandwidth too.
Memory bandwidth should be close to 700 GB/s

True. Although they would need equivalent increases in memory speed etc. I wonder how feasible that is?

Afaik the fastest LPDDR5 ram is 10700. Would they use that? HBM? LPDDR6?

 

[OptimusGrime]

Of course. Looking forward to the M5's inclusion in the Studio later next year.


Only if Apple releases a MacBook Pro with an M5 40 cores, or so. Which I doubt will happen. We should be comparing laptops with laptops and desktops with desktop models.

Obviously it will happen for a Mac Studio next year - as a desktop model still way behind the desktop 5090 in terms of expected render performance. But it's still fast. Almost as fast as a 4090. And with the benefit of 64GB or more RAM.

Win some, lose some.

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The M4 Max has 40 cores currently. Unless I am misunderstanding you?

 

[richinaus]

Would the M5 studio Ultra be getting close to a 5090 then?

 

[l0stl0rd]

Not even to think if the AMD chiplet rumor is true and the will do something along those lines:

Then we are talking close to 5090 desktop contender.

And even if the just to the typical ultra and scaling is perfect or pretty good 16000 in the benchmark should not be an issue.

At the moment that would be like spot Nr2 in the ranking which I never believed I would see from Apple, slighlier under the RTX ADA 6000. If the manage that it really might be worth thinking about an Ultra

Not to forget 5.5 USD for the 96 GB M5 Ultra would be cheap for an RTX ADA 6000 class GPU...

 

[l0stl0rd]

Of course. Looking forward to the M5's inclusion in the Studio later next year.


Only if Apple releases a MacBook Pro with an M5 40 cores, or so. Which I doubt will happen. We should be comparing laptops with laptops and desktops with desktop models.

Obviously it will happen for a Mac Studio next year - as a desktop model still way behind the desktop 5090 in terms of expected render performance. But it's still fast. Almost as fast as a 4090. And with the benefit of 64GB or more RAM.

Win some, lose some.

And why not the M4 Max has 40 cores....

 

[Herbert123]

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The M4 Max has 40 cores currently. Unless I am misunderstanding you?

Oh sorry - I meant that the M4 Max 40 cores reaches 5275 points in the Cycles benchmark versus the 5090's 14905 points. So 1.7 times the M4 Max performance would still be unable to reach the 5090 in this particular rendering benchmark.

As far as I am aware Apple will not be releasing a 40 core M5 for their laptops, correct? Only for their desktops.

But it's all speculation at this point.

 

[leman]

As far as I am aware Apple will not be releasing a 40 core M5 for their laptops, correct? Only for their desktops.

M3 Max and M4 Max have 40 GPU cores and ship in a laptop. There is no performance difference between Apple Silicon laptops and desktops (cooling notwithstanding), they use the same chips. The only exception is the Ultra.

As to how M5 Max will look like, who knows. If it ships with 40 cores and the rendering performance improvement is the same as what Apple claims for M4, then we would be looking at ~ 9000 points in Blender benchmark, which is the ballpark of desktop 5080. I don't think it will be that good, although it's not impossible — Blender in particular seems to respond very well to Apple's Dynamic Caching tech (which makes sense), so improvements in this area plus faster RT plus all the other GPU advancements (and there are plenty!) could work out well for complex async kernels.

 

[Pet3rK]

Oh sorry - I meant that the M4 Max 40 cores reaches 5275 points in the Cycles benchmark versus the 5090's 14905 points. So 1.7 times the M4 Max performance would still be unable to reach the 5090 in this particular rendering benchmark.

As far as I am aware Apple will not be releasing a 40 core M5 for their laptops, correct? Only for their desktops.

But it's all speculation at this point.

 

[OptimusGrime]

Oh sorry - I meant that the M4 Max 40 cores reaches 5275 points in the Cycles benchmark versus the 5090's 14905 points. So 1.7 times the M4 Max performance would still be unable to reach the 5090 in this particular rendering benchmark.

As far as I am aware Apple will not be releasing a 40 core M5 for their laptops, correct? Only for their desktops.

But it's all speculation at this point.

Right but why would we compare the Max to the desktop 5090 and not the laptop 5090? I think comparing the Ultra to the desktop 5090 is completely fair btw.

 

[Herbert123]

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Missed that. My bad.