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3G and improving battery life

Unspeaked said:
Mistake number 1: you dared to point out the iPhone isn't perfect.

For shame...
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He didnt point out anything; that is why I posted. It was this moronic argument that interpretted data completely backwards.

If the nokia N95 in the article didnt have a bigger battery, and the usage time didnt change, his point would be valid.

Again. Read. Think. Then post.
 
3G coverage is irrelevant. Saying we shouldn't implement 3G because of spotty coverage is like saying we shouldn't have cars that go over 50 MPH because there isn't a freeway everywhere you want to drive. When it's available, great. When not, EDGE.

My OP was illustrating that nokia just took a phone that was incapable of providing decent 3G battery life, upgraded the battery technology, and produced the same phone that now has usable 3G battery life. The point being, battery technology is rapidly becoming a non-issue in regards to 3G.
 
eye.surgeon said:
Take it easy fanboys. I'm merely pointing out that the issue of 3G and battery life is being resolved due to improvements in battery performance. ....
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Your not though. :)

As it's been pointed out already, the battery is bigger and there is still a loss of 15%. The iPhone with the same battery as it has now (it can't be made bigger without making the iPhone bigger), would have a drop in talk time of between 30% and 50% currently if it went 3G.

The article proves the exact opposite of what is claimed.

For those that are saying that (the article) "... doesn't say it's bigger, just different," you're wrong. The battery is Li-Poly and to get more battery power it has to have a bigger volume or mass.

So by doubling battery size and putting a big lump on the back of your iPhone they could make a 3G one today. So what?
 
Virgil-TB2 said:
Your not though. :)

As it's been pointed out already, the battery is bigger and there is still a loss of 15%. The iPhone with the same battery as it has now (it can't be made bigger without making the iPhone bigger), would have a drop in talk time of between 30% and 50% currently if it went 3G.
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Once again, the article doesn't say the battery is BIGGER ie. larger in physical dimensions. It says it is bigger in terms of POWER. Of course a physically bigger battery would work better and would hardly be news.

Pattycerts said:
My Treo 750 gets DOUBLE (yes, double) the battery life when in EDGE/GPRS-only mode. That's all the "proof" I need.
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All that tells us is your Trio is not optimized for 3G as well as the N95.
 
Hey all just a friendly reminder: good points can be made without resorting to insults-- implied or otherwise. Opinions and facts can in fact be countered without getting nasty. Let's give that a try, yeah?
 
eye.surgeon said:
All that tells us is your Trio is not optimized for 3G as well as the N95.
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This made me laugh. If the N95 is 'optimised' for 3G I'll be happy with EDGE thanks. After owning one for a few months here in the UK I was rather pleased to see the back of it. Awful battery life and interface.

With regard to your response earlier to a post I made - I KNOW that phone manufacturers share certain chips etc, but an iPhone is not an N95 is it? The software itself is completely different to the Symbian system on the Nokia N-series of phones, so my point about them not being comparable stands.

I'm not saying all of this to back up Apple's decision - because I'd love to be able to have a 3G phone when it launches here on the 9th of November, I just think it's a mistake to compare Apples and oranges.

-Leemo
 
eye.surgeon said:
3G coverage is irrelevant. Saying we shouldn't implement 3G because of spotty coverage is like saying we shouldn't have cars that go over 50 MPH because there isn't a freeway everywhere you want to drive. When it's available, great. When not, EDGE.

My OP was illustrating that nokia just took a phone that was incapable of providing decent 3G battery life, upgraded the battery technology, and produced the same phone that now has usable 3G battery life. The point being, battery technology is rapidly becoming a non-issue in regards to 3G.
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Not my point...

This thread is about BATTERY LIFE, not "should the iPhone have 3G?"

And spotty coverage is EVERYTHING when discussing this, because in spotty areas (which are way too populous right now IMO) the phone is constantly disconnecting and re-connecting to the network.

I'd love to have 3G on my iPhone, as long as I was able to shut it off manually. My Treo (when I use it obviously) is on GSM mode, and if I want to use Slingbox, etc I just turn it on. No complaints here...
 
eye.surgeon said:
Take it easy fanboys. I'm merely pointing out that the issue of 3G and battery life is being resolved due to improvements in battery performance. I'm not insulting your mother.
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nooo... there were no improvements in performance, they just put a bigger battery in. No technology breakthrough.
 
After reading the article, in no way does it say that the battery is NOT physically bigger. All they allude to is that the battery holds more capacity (or is "bigger" as they say). It's actually a pretty poorly written ... "article."
 
eye.surgeon said:
Interesting article here showing that the new Nokia N95 moved from EDGE to 3G with minimal loss of battery life. Here's a quote:

The new version of the N95 was able to keep browsing over a 3G network for 6 hours 12 minutes. Under exactly the same conditions, the old N95 (using an EDGE connection) was able to keep on browsin' for 7 hours 15 minutes.

Is there anyone here that wouldn't give up one measly hour of battery life in order to be 5X more productive online?
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What this is proof of is that the new N95 using 3G lasted roughly 1 hour less than the old N95.

Drawing any other conclusions is speculation and very far from proof.

I'm not discounting the results, just the extrapolation of them.
 
Actually, the battery on the US spec 3G N95 is bigger physically. They had to remove the sliding lens cap assembly in order to make room for it.
 
Sobe said:
What this is proof of is that the new N95 using 3G lasted roughly 1 hour less than the old N95.

Drawing any other conclusions is speculation and very far from proof.

I'm not discounting the results, just the extrapolation of them.
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It is worth noting that the one hour less did come with a significantly higher capacity battery.

If this article really wanted to make a point about 3G being power efficient they should re-do the test with the same capacity battery in both phones to eliminate any controversy. Of course it won't sound as good when the 3G falls short by 2-3 hours...
 
QuarterSwede said:
After reading the article, in no way does it say that the battery is NOT physically bigger. All they allude to is that the battery holds more capacity (or is "bigger" as they say). It's actually a pretty poorly written ... "article."
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I read somewhere that the new battery is physically larger. I don't have a link for you, but I think that is the case.
 
overcast said:
Now compare the 3G coverage to the EDGE coverage in the United States. If it's not available, you can't use it. Making you 0% productive.
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If you live in any of the reasonably populated segments of the country, you have access to 3G.

If you live on a cliff in Montana, no.

Can anyone speculate how the battery life from 3G in an iPhone would compared to Wifi?

If 3G is as fast as people say it is, you may never turn WiFi on at all...unless of course you are using the ever so important function called the WiFi music store.
 
GTiPhone said:
Can anyone speculate how the battery life from 3G in an iPhone would compared to Wifi?
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Wifi is going to be a lot less drain on your battery than either EDGE/GPRS or 3G. Mostly due to the fact that WiFi has a much shorter range than EDGE/GPRS needs so the power required to transmit data to the Wireless router is much less than what's needed for using Cellular networks.
 
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