3G iPhone in May, Another Device at WWDC?

I really cannot see how a 3G iPhone is worthy of a keynote address. Unless of course it has a redesign or a laundry list of other new features. They already had a iPhone 2.0 firmware presentation, so doesn't seem to make much sense to have another. So it makes you wonder.

I'm with you. The bulk of the keynote would and should be just the software potential. They can announce the iPhone hardware now and build up a backorder before the keynote. There are over 200,000 developers for this. All of which have access to the 2.0 beta. So there is nothing really to announce. We all know what it is already.

Alex
 
I would say the current stock level online at the Apple Store speaks volumes. Does anyone actually thinking Apple would sit for an entire month with no units to sell? Either they have more stock of current gen iPhones on the way, or they will announce the new model very soon, perhaps tomorrow. Even if they cannot deliver these phones until June, they'll start taking orders.

Refurbs (they'll probably have a lot of people bring their recent purchase back for the new one) or the AT&T stores still have them...
 
I would say the current stock level online at the Apple Store speaks volumes. Does anyone actually thinking Apple would sit for an entire month with no units to sell? ... Even if they cannot deliver these phones until June, they'll start taking orders.

Good points and conclusion.

Local Chicago store is out of iPhones and the online refurb inventory is empty, too. Seems that we'll have to see some new iPhone's soon.

IF the AT&T vacation restriction rumor is accurate, it makes we wonder if waiting until June would be a good idea. There was another rumor within the past couple weeks that AT&T might subsidize the cost of iPhones. After all, even after the uproar after the initial iPhone price drop that lead to store credits, the credits were only about half of the original price premium that earliest adopters paid. This is at least some evidence that the companies feel they can get a premium from early adopters, for example, you can buy / order the new 3G iPhone in May, but if you wait until June, uncle AT&T will pay for half of it.
 
Also, I wouldn't put it past Steve to have sold AT&T on 5 years exclusivity for the "iPhone", but then neglect to mention or promise anything about the "iPhone 2". The new version may not be exclusive at all.

You think that would not have occurred to AT&T's lawyers?
 
I really cannot see how a 3G iPhone is worthy of a keynote address. Unless of course it has a redesign or a laundry list of other new features.
A laundry list of new stuff is just what you'll get. 3G, GPS, Enterprise, new countries, and OS 2 is going to have lots and lots and lots of new stuff we haven't heard about yet. I expect search, keychain, security upgrades, better sync, better .Mac, sync of notes and todo, App Store apps, more push mail, plenty of stuff to fill two hours of keynote. And a better headphone jack - don't forget the better headphone jack! It's bound to get wild applause.
 
Possible production misstep?

Just a guess but could it be that Apple misguessed the demand for the iphone version 1 leading up to WWDC? They under projected the amount of phones they would sell, possibly expecting demand to dip a bit with version 2 coming out, but demand actually increased. Now all of the iPhone production is for version 2 and stock of version 1 is running dry. If this is the case, will Apple release version 2 early? My guess is no, but again this is all hypothetical.
 
I didn't say I was confused, I'm talking about the average person. And confusion maybe isn't the most appropriate term --- how about "lack of differentiation". Think about it, it's always been sort of awkward that both devices were so similar. It would make sense to get rid of the touch and upgrade it to a larger, although still somewhat pocket-friendly tablet. This would provide a better product lineup, in addition to a future iPhone-nano

I never said you were confused either.

Anyway, it doesn't "make sense" to get rid of the iPod touch, at ALL while iPhones remain tied to a carrier, neither for Apple nor the consumer.

iPod touch is almost everything the iPhone is without the call plan, which suits people happy with their current phone, and suits Apple because all money goes to Apple.
 
Wrong time

The prediction of the 4G iPhone and the new device might be correct. but the timing doesn't make sense.

We are too close to WWDC not to wait for that event to release the IPhone 2nd Gen. Aparts fro the 2.0 software, the device should see several potential improvements (3g Capability, GPS?, better camera/, etc) and so,e minor case changes to differentiate it from the original one. The current shortage of iPhones is just Apple's way to creating an extra buzz by having an artificial shortage (Just like Nintendo does on the Wii). A lotta of people out there are not aware of the rumors of the next iPhone or even know what 3G means to them So the device is selling more than Apple anticipated when they cut their orders.

So it makes more sense for Apple to use WWDC to launch iPhone 2.0 along with the SDK and other accessories they might have under their sleeves.

As far as this other devic (iTablet?, iBook?) while I on't discount it's existence, announcing it in WWDC would either: a). minimize iPhone 2.0 announcement and/or b). get lost in the iphone's hoopla.

As for the device itself, I do feel that an "internet communicator" is coming. This would the 3rd world class device that Steve mentoned on the Mcworld keynote last when he announced the iPhone. At that moment the iPhone was all 3 of the "world class" devices being announced (widescreen ipod with multi-touch, world class mobile phone, and internet communicator). Teh widescreen ipod with multi-touch has been done (ipod touch). We will probably see by 2009 a simple iphone nano (phone and ipod, but no web). So an Internet communicator (iTablet) would be the third leg of this iPhone platform.

This device could probably make the Newton promise a reality. A device that can carry all your important documents with you. It would probably have a cellular radio in the same way that the kindle does (and download anything from the cloud). you can make call on your blu-tooth while surfing or playing on it.

Teh difference between this and the old PDA is that multi-touch has made the small extremely usable unlike the stylus driven PDAs. And with Mac OS, you have an actual desktop class OS instead of that hobbled windows mobile or Palm os have.
 
If Apple does make the rumored Newtonish PDA (1.5x size of iPhone) then it is going to be a killer product. I can't wait.

My guess for the name iMac Air.
 
Both of you might be right

I never said you were confused either.

Anyway, it doesn't "make sense" to get rid of the iPod touch, at ALL while iPhones remain tied to a carrier, neither for Apple nor the consumer.

iPod touch is almost everything the iPhone is without the call plan, which suits people happy with their current phone, and suits Apple because all money goes to Apple.

While I agree that iPod Tuch (have one myself) and iPhone) Want one) should still be in the market (the touch has bigger storage for teh same price and you're not tied up to AT&T). Eventually I do see a future in which the ipod touch might disappear.

Apple has stated that they are not married to any single model for selling the iphone. And based on teh announcements, Italy and Australia seem to have multiple carriers. So exclusivity is no longer the norm. France will have unlocked phones later this month (by law the carrier has to offer unlocked phones up to 6 months after introduction, ad the iphone was introduced in November in France). So unlocked phones will also be available. And if teh rumors are true, we will see AT&T subsidizing this next phone for up to $200 usd.

ISo, do see in the future (when the iphone nano or mini appears) and Apple gets closer to being the market elader, that you might see Apple dropping the touch in order not to dilute the brand. Now, this would be most likely 3-4 years down the line. Right now Apple needs both products to expand as much as possible the iPhone platform. This is no longer just one device, it is a platform in the same sense that Mac is a platform
 
You may very well be right. However, data usage on iPhones much, much higher than on other phones so might be a way to nickel/dime consumers (another $5 for 3G) and not tick off people in the hinterlands who don't have access to 3G, but otherwise would pay same amount as the "city folks."

Besides the fact that carriers are not and have not ever made that distinction, I think this would be too complicated for a number of reasons.

1) Managing the functionality - I'm not an telecom engineer so I don't know, but I would guess that they wouldn't be able to enable conditional access to UMTS different than EDGE. Basically, how would they block you from connecting to a UMTS tower if you have a 3G phone while at the same time letting you connect to the GSM/EDGE tower. That seems way too complicated and expensive.

2) AT&T's 3G/UMTS network is constantly being built out, so people who have EDGE now will eventually get 3G. Also, people are moving all the time, switching jobs, etc. This all leads to people constantly switching their data plan depending on if they get 3G coverage or not, which would be a major billing headache.

3) Most importantly of all, Apple wouldn't allow this to happen as it would be WAY too confusing for joe six-pack to figure out. Remember, they want the utmost simplicity for the iPhone -- they already reduce the plans and options to 3 or 4 simple choices to make things easier. Why on earth would they want to complicate it so much.


Furthermore, Steve will never port touchOS to x86 devices because HE DOESN'T WANT THEM TO RUN WINDOWS. That's why Apple will, in fact use the newly acquired chip technology soon, if not immediately.

I wouldn't say that, depending on what happens to Intel's ATOM and/or other x86 processors from the like of VIA, etc. They may have a strategic advantage in the future over using ARM's future processors. For now, the technology just isn't there yet, and it has to be seen whether there will be an intrinsic advantage as they have already done all the difficult work porting OSX to ARM. Also, I *highly doubt* they ever do anything with the POWER architecture again.. remember, they did not buy PA SEMI for their products or POWER technology.

Would love it if this rumor came true but it doesn't jibe with the AT&T employee vacation blackout June 15-July15. Perhaps announcements vs. availability is the key here.

I think you have the key here. Everyone keeps saying that all the evidence points to June -- but that may be a RELEASE/SHIPPING in June, and an announcement much sooner. No way would they sit here for another 4+ weeks saying "we have no information when the iPhone will be available".
As you mentioned, that theory also fits the AT&T vacation blackout. They need to train their people and increase store workers for the RELEASE in the June AFTER the announcement is made this week or next.


I have written this post last February: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4922207/
if we cannot have psychical keyboard on it .. allow to connect a bluetooth one. still hoping and still waiting ;-)
Yanke

I don't doubt at some point Apple will have a psychical keyboard/input device for a future iPhone, but I just don't think it will be ready for iPhone 3G :D:D:D
 
While I agree that iPod Tuch (have one myself) and iPhone) Want one) should still be in the market (the touch has bigger storage for teh same price and you're not tied up to AT&T). Eventually I do see a future in which the ipod touch might disappear.

Apple has stated that they are not married to any single model for selling the iphone. And based on teh announcements, Italy and Australia seem to have multiple carriers. So exclusivity is no longer the norm. France will have unlocked phones later this month (by law the carrier has to offer unlocked phones up to 6 months after introduction, ad the iphone was introduced in November in France). So unlocked phones will also be available. And if teh rumors are true, we will see AT&T subsidizing this next phone for up to $200 usd.

ISo, do see in the future (when the iphone nano or mini appears) and Apple gets closer to being the market elader, that you might see Apple dropping the touch in order not to dilute the brand. Now, this would be most likely 3-4 years down the line. Right now Apple needs both products to expand as much as possible the iPhone platform. This is no longer just one device, it is a platform in the same sense that Mac is a platform

Oh, if they go ahead and drop exclusive carriers worldwide there'd definitely be grounds to drop the iPod touch. A 3.5G, 32GB any-network iPhone is my dream :D
 
Anyway, it doesn't "make sense" to get rid of the iPod touch, at ALL while iPhones remain tied to a carrier, neither for Apple nor the consumer. iPod touch is almost everything the iPhone is without the call plan, which suits people happy with their current phone, and suits Apple because all money goes to Apple.

While I agree that iPod Tuch (have one myself) and iPhone) Want one) should still be in the market (the touch has bigger storage for teh same price and you're not tied up to AT&T). Eventually I do see a future in which the ipod touch might disappear. .... exclusivity is no longer the norm. ...... unlocked phones will also be available. And if teh rumors are true, we will see AT&T subsidizing this next phone for up to $200 usd.

ISo, do see in the future (when the iphone nano or mini appears) and Apple gets closer to being the market elader, that you might see Apple dropping the touch in order not to dilute the brand. Now, this would be most likely 3-4 years down the line. Right now Apple needs both products to expand as much as possible the iPhone platform. This is no longer just one device, it is a platform in the same sense that Mac is a platform

Oh, if they go ahead and drop exclusive carriers worldwide there'd definitely be grounds to drop the iPod touch. A 3.5G, 32GB any-network iPhone is my dream :D


Trust me, I understand the appeal of the iPod Touch as I own one. Something got left out when people starting replying to my post.. I said Apple might drop the iPod touch because of the similarity to the iPhone which isn't an ideal situation. HOWEVER, I said they would NOT get rid of it all together, but REPLACE it with this new possible mini-tablet device. Basically, it would be iPod touch version 2.0 --- the device mentioned in the rumors about a larger "1.5x the size of the iPod Touch" internet tablet ALA the Nokia N800. I guess the main problem is that when rumors say "tablet" device, we don't know if they are talking about a "pocket tablet" like the Nokia models with a 4-5" screen or a 12-14"+ screen laptop replacement. If it is the later, then they wouldn't be replacing the iPod touch obviously.


The prediction of the 4G iPhone and the new device might be correct. but the timing doesn't make sense.
Nope, the time sure doesn't make sense. AT&T won't have a 700mhz 4G/LTE network up and running until 2011-2012... :D
 
Depends on where you are. In areas of low population density there's often spotty or non-existent coverage. The entire area where my wife's parents live is entirely unserviced by anybody. Her grandma's house has one bar of the lowest quality GSM service.

Where exactly do your wife's parents live, and what is the population? distance to nearest Metro area of 100,000+?
 
It's just a thought but I guess Steve Jobs doesn't like the idea of a portable device that doesn't fit in a pocket (except for notebooks, of course). Nevertheless, iPhone Applications don't work like desktop apps, they have fixed resolution, how would they work in a bigger device? That is the question.
 
Something got left out when people starting replying to my post.. I said Apple might drop the iPod touch because of the similarity to the iPhone which isn't an ideal situation. HOWEVER, I said they would NOT get rid of it all together, but REPLACE it with this new possible mini-tablet device. Basically, it would be iPod touch version 2.0 -

Oh, no I don't buy this whole "new tablet" thing at all. It just seems like a rumour that won't die to me.
 
Ok everyone thinks 3g iphone has to have a press event. What about that day when they lowered the price on the iphone came out with ipod touch came out with new ipod nanos and replacing the current ipod videos. THERE WAS NEVER A PRESS EVENT FOR ANY OF THESE PRODUCTS. So why does everyone think apple has to have one for 3g iphone
 
Ok everyone thinks 3g iphone has to have a press event. What about that day when they lowered the price on the iphone came out with ipod touch came out with new ipod nanos and replacing the current ipod videos. THERE WAS NEVER A PRESS EVENT FOR ANY OF THESE PRODUCTS. So why does everyone think apple has to have one for 3g iphone

all bolded items had an event.
 
Better get some product out before people spend their tax stimulation checks!


Personally, Im waiting for WWDC. I've been burned too many times "jumping" on a new product only to have a better one come out later.

Cant wait, regardless of whats going on.
 
all bolded items had an event.

I dont think they did. Remember there were leaked pictures of ipod nano a couple weeks before it came out. People would have known about the ipod touch before it came out but everyone was surprised
 
i just hope they have some sort of upgrade program for current iphone owners.

i want to keep my contract, ATT is decent in my area, but would like to have the new iphone as i already need more space, and an update makes it that more tempting

I dont think they did. Remember there were leaked pictures of ipod nano a couple weeks before it came out. People would have known about the ipod touch before it came out but everyone was surprised


http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/breaking/apple-special-event-goes-down-september-5-294415.php
 
I dont think they did. Remember there were leaked pictures of ipod nano a couple weeks before it came out. People would have known about the ipod touch before it came out but everyone was surprised
there was a press conferance for the ipods, I remember quite clearly the pictures posted here and on other sites. :cool:
 
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