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3G VOIP Phone Calls Allowed on iPad Too, Skype Imminent
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I realize most of the people here are power users and it is difficult to get your head around the fact that 90% of the population aren't. If you are using photoshop, video editing software or other high end software, this device is not aimed at you. I find it hard to believe that people are upset that this isn't a multitouch high end macbook pro.
I though Steve did an excellent job at making this explicitly clear. 90% of the population use computers specifically for email, internet, music, photos, basic word processing, spreadsheet.... OOOOOOH HOOOOO that is exactly what this device is designed to do very well.
Sure video conferencing would be nice, but lets be realistic, most wireless companies are in the middle of a panic attack about the explosion of smart phones on there networks right now. They are all scrambling to up capacity. No network would want to deal with 4 million new video conferencing devices right now. It will likely happen in the future. Besides that, apple isn't stupid, they are famous for slow incremental upgrades and changes to improve their devices over regular upgrade cycles. It is a basic marketing tool and they are the masters of it
If you want to make phone calls... does this even remotely look like it is intended for that.
This device will do extremely well for its target market. Me for example. At that price point, they will sell like mad.
I realize most of the people here are power users and it is difficult to get your head around the fact that 90% of the population aren't. If you are using photoshop, video editing software or other high end software, this device is not aimed at you. I find it hard to believe that people are upset that this isn't a multitouch high end macbook pro.
I though Steve did an excellent job at making this explicitly clear. 90% of the population use computers specifically for email, internet, music, photos, basic word processing, spreadsheet.... OOOOOOH HOOOOO that is exactly what this device is designed to do very well.
Sure video conferencing would be nice, but lets be realistic, most wireless companies are in the middle of a panic attack about the explosion of smart phones on there networks right now. They are all scrambling to up capacity. No network would want to deal with 4 million new video conferencing devices right now. It will likely happen in the future. Besides that, apple isn't stupid, they are famous for slow incremental upgrades and changes to improve their devices over regular upgrade cycles. It is a basic marketing tool and they are the masters of it
If you want to make phone calls... does this even remotely look like it is intended for that.
This device will do extremely well for its target market. Me for example. At that price point, they will sell like mad.
I agree with him, this device is great and this will sell like crazy on the market. $500 is a great base price and I would totally buy this over the cheap netbooks.
Like Steve Jobs said, Netbooks are cheap and slow and aren't good at anything. This iPad is bigger, faster, and has a solid OS running on it.
Thumbs up for Apple for making this product.
No it doesn't. I have tried it with Acrobits Softphone, which is one of the few apps that supports Push for VoIP calls. It works only if you're already holding iPhone in your hand, and ready to acknowledge the Push message the second it arrives. If you let a few seconds lapse - by the time the Acrobits software opens and establishes SIP session, the call ends up in voicemail.
Unless you're OK with missing most of your calls - it's just not good enough to be used as day to day solution.
Does this also mean that the iPod Touch will finally get full BT capabilities for a headset.
APPLE: Please add 3G chips to the MBP.
Now let Apple add 3G to the MBP. I'd love a data-only plan to enable
both anywhere/time web surfing and VOIP calls from my MBP. I also
want this to serve both CDMA and GSM (with swappable SIM) at all
frequencies so I can easily switch carriers as I wander the world.
Now let Apple add 3G to the MBP. I'd love a data-only plan to enable
both anywhere/time web surfing and VOIP calls from my MBP. I also
want this to serve both CDMA and GSM (with swappable SIM) at all
frequencies so I can easily switch carriers as I wander the world.
"The iPhone sucks - there's no copy/paste!"
*iPhone gets copy/paste*
"Big deal, my phone had copy/paste 5 years ago. The iPhone sucks - there's no multitasking."
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Why wouldn't you want the ability to make/take a call on an iPad (via the earbuds w/mic or a Bluetooth headset) if needed?
Yes, via earbuds, Bluetooth headset or onboard speaker/mic.
Are you sure that OSX/IphoneOS is that primitive, that it has to poll for window events?
Queued events (where the loop sleeps until an event occurs) have been standard fare for a long time.
A windowing Windows app, for example, starts the event loop with
a call to GetMessage. This function waits for an event, then
returns to the caller with a window message to process. No polling,
no wasted cycles.
Multi-Tasking = make it a user activated option
.Enough with this BS of restrictions
. If some ppl want to live in the dark and do not care about multi-tasking, fine. Others should have the option to turn it on/off when required. If this was an option similar to flash, I wonder how many ppl who defend decision will actually activate the feature/option when its available.Options are good, let the user decide if they want to use it or not at they own risk.
I want to make a Voip call, check my email and surf the web or play a game on my iPhone/iPod Touch. Why am I being restricted? If I was so concerned with my battery life I will just plug the device to an outlet.
TV and iPad = niche devices.What it should really be is to merge the MacMini +
TV into one effective device and the iPad + MacBook into another device. The iPad + MacBook will have a removable screen which is resemble the iPad in its current form and when docked to the keyboard, trackpad and optical drive with a daughter card onboard it turns into a MacBook. A device of this nature would be sick. already is promoting a dock for charging, keyboard and stand, the solution I have mentioned takes care of it all.Hm, I was sure it used a runloop. I'll check that when I have some time free for the research.
Does Windows store a list of re-entry points to handle GetMessage? What I was thinking might be on the cards is to structure the background event processing code as NSOperations and execute the operation corresponding to the event to allow the background operations to be routed onto an appropriate core using GCD.
Question: International use?
Since the 3G capacity will be unlocked, does this mean you'll be able to buy access and use the iPad on 3G networks in other countries that have a parallel service for iPads sold there? Is there possibly an issue with frequencies etc?
Since the 3G capacity will be unlocked, does this mean you'll be able to buy access and use the iPad on 3G networks in other countries that have a parallel service for iPads sold there? Is there possibly an issue with frequencies etc?
Wait for OS 4.0 you multitasking machine!!!!! The A4 is multicore, kicks ass, is fuel efficient, and will multitask by the summer. Remember, it's based on the A9, not the A8.
I'm liking the options as the days progress. The DW just committed to one now that VOIP is allowed, as long as she can talk on VOIP, and discuss the content she has open. Bodes well if the DW is interested.
I'm starting to agree that this may become like a "sit around the camp fire" and interact with digital media in a group/family setting. Seems to appeal to the DW. Not me, but she is a very different user than I am. Also has dozens of friends thinking the same.
Could be something.
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Why is there so much of this in this and other threads? Any time there is any product available that includes an added benefit, what's wrong with that? It's great that calls can be made on this device: one more benefit. Whether you- or I- buy an iPad or not, it's handy for those who do buy one.
This could be great for any person who does not already have an iPhone (most of the world by far) who might also have modest mobile computing needs (like answering email) and who doesn't want to lug along a laptop and a phone (and be locked into a monthly AT&T contract). I can easily see this as working for that (big) crowd.
If your mobile computing needs are mostly media consumption, with modest production, and you sometimes need a way to make a call anytime, anywhere, here's one thin, lite, device that can cover ALL of those jobs.
This recurring theme of "it's too big to be a phone" seems to be small mind thinking. Even the iPhone that some of these small minds might already own comes with ear buds plus microphone... so that you can do your communicating by phone while holding the iPhone out in front of you (not next to your head), such as when you might be simultaneously using it's computing functions. This is exactly the same: talk on the phone while looking up directions... or reading restaurant reviews... or showtimes... or email... etc... etc. And if the use of a mobile phone is modest enough that this could cover that need for someone, then it is an elegantly thin, lite package that also offers a pretty good production capability, and a better (than iPhone) consumption capability.
In this way, I see it as a great option for that crowd. Those who already have an iPhone and/or laptop... and/or those that do a great deal of production on their portable computer and/or those who use their iPhone like crazy... it's probably not for you. But, YOU are not a big market; there's plenty of people in the world who can see things differently than just you.
In my own case for example, I have no iPhone (too small for me) yet I occasionally need an iPhone-like ability to make or take a call. Often, I use my laptop for that- a 15" screen- with ear buds + headphone and VOIP- and it works great... WHEN I can locate an open wifi hot spot. I also carry along an iPod, so there is quite a bit in the travel bag.
If this could sufficiently cover my content production needs for the laptop I carry, it could be a great way to lighten the load, while giving me a much more (beyond wifi hotspots) iPhone-like flexibility... with no monthly contract. That would mean i could leave the laptop and iPod at home, not be carrying a cell phone (and locked into a cell phone contract whether I use it or not), and have all that specific functionality in ONE thin, lite device. From that perspective, I can easily appreciate the appeal for some people.
There are more ways than just holding a slab of tech near your ear to make and take a phone call. Use your imaginations, or just pay more attention to how many people use their phones without holding them next to their ear.
Sweet!
I just tried the Fring app, with the Skype app, works perfect over 3g...making calls and receiving them with out a problem...only issue is text msgs, any app out there that allows you to get text msgs with your skype#?
I just tried the Fring app, with the Skype app, works perfect over 3g...making calls and receiving them with out a problem...only issue is text msgs, any app out there that allows you to get text msgs with your skype#?
Can you please quantify fact? Reason I am asking is that you state that 'many' are asking for multi tasking on the iPhone. What is many? As far as I see, many isn't that many... In fact, I can say, only a select few care. Why I come to that conclusion? Because Apple sells around 8 million iPhones a quarter. Currently has around 70 million sets sold and active. And I only see a few, the same few that bring it up in every discussion on every topic iPhone and iPad related. And unless you want to listen to Pandora while playing a game, there isn't even a real need. Much is made out of it without a lot of quantifications. And this is also fact, which is why I was asking...
Pretty awesome they are going to have that option. Would be cool to use Skype to makes calls if you want to.
Can you please quantify fact? Reason I am asking is that you state that 'many' are asking for multi tasking on the iPhone. What is many? As far as I see, many isn't that many... In fact, I can say, only a select few care. Why I come to that conclusion? Because Apple sells around 8 million iPhones a quarter. Currently has around 70 million sets sold and active. And I only see a few, the same few that bring it up in every discussion on every topic iPhone and iPad related. And unless you want to listen to Pandora while playing a game, there isn't even a real need. Much is made out of it without a lot of quantifications. And this is also fact, which is why I was asking...
I want to have two active keyboards available on the iPhone so that I can text and type a document simultaneously.
Never mind that when returning to a previously opened app, for which the previous state remains intact, it is actually faster than it would be had multitasking been enabled - I would rather swap out and fragment my RAM, degrade performance, and rapidly deteriorate battery life - just because.
Without Flash support it's not very useful for browsing.
Like it or hate it Flash is _everywhere_ on the web...
Like it or hate it Flash is _everywhere_ on the web...
Skype does rock
Skype has forced the cost of international calls down. Without it the phone companies would still be charging 20+c a minute to call Europe. Also it has brought video conferencing to the masses. I know lots of people who use it to video conference their family.
Skype has forced the cost of international calls down. Without it the phone companies would still be charging 20+c a minute to call Europe. Also it has brought video conferencing to the masses. I know lots of people who use it to video conference their family.
I want to have two active keyboards available on the iPhone so that I can text and type a document simultaneously.
Never mind that when returning to a previously opened app, for which the previous state remains intact, it is actually faster than it would be had multitasking been enabled - I would rather swap out and fragment my RAM, degrade performance, and rapidly deteriorate battery life - just because.
Do you just regurgitate everything you hear from your dear leader Steve Jobs.. or do you use your own thinking when coming up with this nonsense?
Have you ever used Android or WebOS phone recently? I have, and I guarantee you there is no "fragmenting of RAM, degraded performance or rapidly deteriorated battery life" happening on these platforms, which have supported multitasking from day-1.
There is simply no excuse to not implement basic background tasking functionality on a modern mobile OS, let alone the one driving a 10" screen device. It's funny because when Apple finally adds multitasking in v4.0 - you will be amongst the first gushing about how "revolutionary and groundbreaking" it is.