3GB to 5GB of RAM, much difference?


xUKHCx

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Will another 2GB of RAM benefit me? I'm a rather heavy user of Aperture. I'm getting a lot of page outs, see attached image.


Well you are experiencing a lot of page outs so you do need more ram. I have no experience with this though and the main reason i was responding is

EDIT: Sorry about that title, can't edit it now..
And you can edit the title, click "edit" and then "go advanced".
 

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You still have about 2GB of RAM unused. So adding more won't help you much.

Not when going from 3 to 5. I moved from 1.25 to 2 and the difference was notorious, but chances are that the difference you would notice won't be worth the investment.


You should be able to change the title, just after clicking EDIT, click GO ADVANCED.:)


EDIT: I'm getting very slow at replying I guess.:eek:
 

xUKHCx

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You still have about 2GB of RAM unused. So adding more won't help you much.

Not when going from 3 to 5. I moved from 1.25 to 2 and the difference was notorious, but chances are that the difference you would notice won't be worth the investment.


You should be able to change the title, just after clicking EDIT, click GO ADVANCED.:)
I assumed that the screenshot wasn't taken when Aperture was actually being used. I'd imagine that when aperture is open it would take up more ram than that, however would need qualification from the OP. I was purely looking at the Page outs which is very very high and indicates the need for more ram as something in his workflow is really taking the ram to town.
 

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I assumed that the screenshot wasn't taken when Aperture was actually being used. I'd imagine that when aperture is open it would take up more ram than that, however would need qualification from the OP. I was purely looking at the Page outs which is very very high and indicates the need for more ram as something in his workflow is really taking the ram to town.
Just launched Aperture in this next screenshot, after about ten seconds on activity.
 

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When was the last time you restarted your Mac?

Since the number of page outs never decreases (it shows the number of pageouts since you booted your Mac), whether that is unusual or not depends on how long your Mac has been "up" and what you have been doing.
 

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I think the additional RAM would prove very helpful. When I went from 2 to 4, I noticed a lot less pageouts when I was using Aperture, PS and FCP. I can't wait for a new Mac Pro to take over what my MBP is currently doing.

Aperture alone is doing relatively well alongside my new RAM set-up. With the large sized files that Aperture manipulates, it is a natural resource hog requiring mucho RAM with matching GPU..
 

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When was the last time you restarted your Mac?

Since the number of page outs never decreases (it shows the number of pageouts since you booted your Mac), whether that is unusual or not depends on how long your Mac has been "up" and what you have been doing.
I thought it was the difference between Ins Vs Out that was important (and page ins doesn't reset until a restart either) and in this case they are approximately equal which suggests a shortage.
 

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I would suggest going through a normal workflow in Aperture and see how the ram changes. It would be best to see it real time rather than have to come out to dashboard. So get Activity monitor in a place you can see it, or a terminal window with the "top" (without quotes) command. If you go down the terminal route the number in brackets next to page outs in the actual number of page outs per second.
 

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When was the last time you restarted your Mac?

Since the number of page outs never decreases (it shows the number of pageouts since you booted your Mac), whether that is unusual or not depends on how long your Mac has been "up" and what you have been doing.
Uptime is 2 days, 2 hours.
 

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Your page out ratio is almost 1:1

It should be looking more like 20:1

This tells us that you are exceeding your current amount of RAM pretty much continuously and paging out, so yes, the extra RAM should have an immediate effect.

Roco: an instantaneous reading of free and inactive RAM really doesn't mean a lot, overall. The PageOuts tell the story over the length of time that the OP has been working on the machine, and with the typical application load that they use.
 

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Your page out ratio is almost 1:1

It should be looking more like 20:1

This tells us that you are exceeding your current amount of RAM pretty much continuously and paging out, so yes, the extra RAM should have an immediate effect.
I was beginning to think i had got it all wrong.
 

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I thought it was the difference between Ins Vs Out that was important (and page ins doesn't reset until a restart either) and in this case they are approximately equal which suggests a shortage.
Roco: an instantaneous reading of free and inactive RAM really doesn't mean a lot, overall. The PageOuts tell the story over the length of time that the OP has been working on the machine, and with the typical application load that they use.
It's always good to learn something new.:)

I was thinking they worked in a different way.
 

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I thought it was the difference between Ins Vs Out that was important (and page ins doesn't reset until a restart either) and in this case they are approximately equal which suggests a shortage.
What is a page in or out?
 

xUKHCx

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What is a page in or out?
Basically memory written to ram, each time memory comes in it is a page in, if there isn't ample space in the ram it has to be written to the HD (much much slower) and is called a page out. Hence the reason for page outs being bad as they are much slower.

(or at least that is the way i understood it)
 

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Thanks guys, will order an additional 2GB of RAM taking the Mac Pro to 5GB later this week. This still leaves me open to 12GB RAM max with additional 2GB sticks, or 20GB with 4GB sticks at a (much) later date.