3Q iPod Sales Not Meeting Expectations?

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    A recent Piper Jaffray report reported by Forbes.com claims that Apple may ship 8 million iPods this quarter, down from Wallstreet expectations of 8.6 million units.

    The report claims that iPods have not been moving as fast as expected in April. However, this is likely to change with "Grads and Dads" buying in May and June likely to buoy iPod sales.
  2. longofest Editor emeritus


    Jul 10, 2003
    Falls Church, VA
    To pre-empt any "why is this page 2" comments... Wallstreet is notoriously fickle, so Wallstreet expectations are not necessarily a good indication of how Apple is doing.
  3. iGary Guest


    May 26, 2004
    Randy's House
    You guys are like three days behind MacDaily News...kind of embarrasing, honestly....this....the Dell Stores....
  4. longofest Editor emeritus


    Jul 10, 2003
    Falls Church, VA
    3 days??? That's a little over-kill. The story broke yesterday. I didn't post it until today because I didn't really think it was newsworthy. It gained a lot of attention, so I posted it on page2.

    If you look at the way he predicted his 8 million number, it is really, really fuzzy math.
  5. iGary Guest


    May 26, 2004
    Randy's House
    OK, yesterday.

    Still...old. :)
  6. mozmac macrumors 6502


    Apr 28, 2005
    Austin, TX
    I'm with you, I don't think this is that newsworthy. People can expect what they want, however, usually they are let down.
  7. dashiel macrumors 6502a

    Nov 12, 2003
    iPod's not meeting expectations is the latter day "beleaguered apple computer".

    at least the last 3 quarters in a row analysts have been under (way under in some instances) on their ipod estimates. the simple fact is i, and most apple die-hards, have a better idea of apple's financial standing than the analysts do.

    unfortunately wall street is perhaps the worst offender of the "perception is reality" meme. analysts say something stupid, but theoretically reasonable, the punters who glom on to what's "hot" artificially inflate/deflate the price. anytime the stock dips below $60 i pick up some more.

    i'd like to think apple is the exception and that for the most part analysts know what they're talking about, but i doubt it.
  8. bigandy macrumors G3


    Apr 30, 2004
    umm, i think 8 million is still pretty reasonable... i mean, what's 600,000 iPods to apple these days?

    methinks some people on wallstreet are jus trying to get the share price down so they can buy themselves some stock! :rolleyes:
  9. Doctor Q Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Los Angeles
    He decided to remove some, picked 10%, and it came out smaller than expected. That doesn't sound very precise. Reading tea leaves might turn out to be almost as accurate.
  10. WildCowboy Administrator/Editor


    Staff Member

    Jan 20, 2005
    Piper Jaffray has been pretty optimistic in recent years when it comes to Apple. Under those circumstances alone, I'd normally put *some* value in a more negative outlook from them.

    But they got things quite wrong in November when they scaled back iPod estimates for that quarter to 9 million units, the lowest of any of the analyst firms modeling Apple's performance. Apple went on to sell 14 million iPods that quarter...oops.

    Analysts don't know anything...that's why monkeys do a better job of picking stocks than analysts.
  11. MacAficionado macrumors 6502

    Oct 5, 2002
    An awesome place
    It's all good! This is expected. Apple will have to come up with new capabilities for the iPod to keep the attention of the market, but the focus I think is on Mac sales. With the new Macbook, I think will more than make up for whatever iPod sales slowdown Apple suffers.
    And it is not even Back to school season. This summer we will know if the switch to Intel is going to pay off. Along with the new Macbook, we will see revised versions of the iPod, hopefully a business spinoff of the iPod and Apple will be just fine.:)
  12. 081440 macrumors regular

    Mar 14, 2006
    New Jersey
    If the numbers are correct - I'm not surprised.

    Apple hasn't released any new versions for a long time now (in iPod terms) and therefore there is no reason for the people to buy a replacment.

    Pretty much everybody that I know who will ever buy an iPod already owns one...or two...or three And I have a feeling that more than 50% of the population that will get one already has one However when a new model comes out most of these same people buy the new one withing a month or two. (For some reason they cannot stand not having an older model like the iPod mini) :confused:

    So I think these are the costomers (at least in the US) that Apple is now trying to attract, and without any new products there is no reason to buy.
  13. corywoolf macrumors 65816


    Jun 28, 2004
    I was thinking the same thing. It's Apple's fault.
  14. NewSc2 macrumors 65816

    Jun 4, 2005
    New York, NY
    *shrug* i've purchased an iPod (20gb 2nd gen), iPod nano, and another iPod nano for my gf. She received another 60gb video iPod for her birthday.

    My roommate liked my ipod so much he got a 3rd gen 60gb one.

    I don't need another iPod ;)
  15. Stella macrumors G3


    Apr 21, 2003
    iPods sales can't keep growing forever. Apple haven't released a new iPod in some time ( apart from the 1Gig nano ), so I'm not surprised that iPod sales will appear as 'suffering'.
  16. adamfilip macrumors 6502a


    Apr 13, 2003
    burlington, Ontario canada
    OH NO!

    Instead of selling 8 ipods for every person
    we can only sell 7! AHHH :eek:

    get a grip :rolleyes:
  17. touring macrumors newbie

    Mar 10, 2006
    International Sales

    If Apple could manage a deal with the World Cup like it did with the NCAA they would sell a few million more iPods real fast.
  18. jettredmont macrumors 68030

    Jul 25, 2002
    Okay, I'm not a Wall Street Analyst, but I do have enough scientific training to know that either his method (both the averaging two sets of data and the removing 10% part) is completely flawed or the article is not explaining it properly.

    If the first month of a quarter is historically high, then that factor would already have been taken into account by the year-over-year estimates. If he believes the "first month of quarter" effect needs to be taken into account, then he should weight the year-over-year estimates more highly in his calculation than the month-over-month (which is generally the case in trending highly-year-cyclical data; month-over-month is taken as a single-digit-percent correction to year-over-year data, not "averaged" which implies a 50-50 weighting). This, "I think this is high so let's cut out 10%" BS is junk analysis at its finest.

    In any case, analyst expectations are, historically, pretty much inaccurate in any case. A difference of 10% is, literally, well within the margin of error here. Unfortunately, they drive short-term trends in the market, and affect the day-to-day stock price. If you're a day-trader, this is important to you. If you're a long-term owner of the stock, then this is just noise.
  19. nagromme macrumors G5


    May 2, 2002
    From the Associated Press:

    "Apple was widely predicted to exceed expectations during this timeframe. As in other recent quarters, Apple met that expectation. In doing so, they failed to meet the expectation that they would exceed expectations. For the coming quarter, analysts agree, investors should expect the unexpected."
  20. maestro55 macrumors 68030


    Nov 13, 2005
    Goat Farm in Meridian, TX
    ..and considering that Apple hasn't released a new one, if they still sell 8 million this quarter, they are doing a great job. However, I would like to see Apple prove the analyst wrong and sell above their expected 8.6million.

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