Admittedly, I'm not sure what you do with TouchID/Home Button if you look to reduce the bottom bezel.
Perhaps make the button clear and blend into the glass and the displayed icons?
Admittedly, I'm not sure what you do with TouchID/Home Button if you look to reduce the bottom bezel.
It does NOT run Safari properly with multiple tabs open. It's either a Safari problem that's been around since the iPhone 4/5 or you do not have enough RAM.
I'm not sure why people defend Apple, spew the taking points about optimization, etc. They use a best in class processor which is faster than anything else on the market yet they skimp on RAM therefor ruining an otherwise excellent experience when you use Safari.
There is no excuse for it. I'll wait for the talking points response:
1. Optimization
2. Battery impact
I meant that I know what RAM and ppi are for, but that I didn't see how they would affect my experience using a regularly sized iPhone. I don't really do a lot of "multitasking" on my phone, with maybe the exception of reading an eBook while iTunes is playing light classical music in the background and at the gym, running a heart rate monitor again with iTunes in the background. Maybe it's a generational thing, but watching a YouTube video while typing an email is not something I've ever considered doing (not to mention it is incredibly rude to the person you're writing to).Ram is used for essentially the same reasons on an iphone as on a PC. Multitasking, gaming, etc. The higher end phones that have 2gb+ ram can even load 2 apps side by side(you can watch youtube and type and email).
PPI stands for Pixels per inch(ppi is actually more important for small devices since you keep them so close to your face vs. a laptop or a tv). So when a galaxy s5 prime has over 500ppi and iphone has over 300, it means that if u take 1in x 1in squares from both displays you will have over 60% more pixels in one display vs. the other, resulting in greater clarity.
Dude, are you serious? I really feel like this post made me dumber just by reading. Its really sad if you truly are a computer engineer, because you are completely wrong.I have a computer engineering and marketing degree. I will not embarrass you any further by explaining to your what you said makes no sense at all. Your doing that fine by yourself.
Yes. The iPhone 5. Like said, the signal strength circles and a lot of the other line graphics are pixelated, and small text becomes extremely fuzzy to the point of being totally unreadable. Which is quite apparent in the picture I linked to as well.
If you look down at the iphone 5 you are holding the signal bars and logo are not pixelated at all. This tells me either you really don't have a iphone 5 or that or your eyes are bad. Anyone reading this thread can do the same and see that your are making stuff up as we go. If you actually click on the screen shot I posted you will see the same. Shame you did not do that. Anyone reading this thread can see that.
Now, for your exercise, when you take a screenshot, what you get is not a representation of what you see on your screen, but a dump of the contents of the video RAM. Maybe that'll help you figure out why it isn't really relevant.
Like I said I will not embarrass your further by pointing out how this is utter nonsense. You can do that if you like.![]()
Again, you are incorrect, and it is slightly maddening how you are telling this man that is giving you facts that he is wrong. The screen of the text graphics you zoomed in on have NO effect other than display orientation/ratio on the screenshot that is displayed.Oh, and when you zoom in on vector graphics (as you have done), you'll see less and less pixelation because the object is recalculated and redrawn every time you zoom. The more you zoom in on text, the smoother and sharper it will look like.
Wrong again. It can only look as sharp as the screen it is displayed upon. I know what vector graphics are and how they work. Apparently you do not.
Most icons and logos are stored in vector image files that specify perfect mathematical representations of their shapes. Unlike JPG and PNG images, vector graphic files dont tell the computer how to display their contents in pixels; for a vector graphic to be displayed, the computer has to perform a translation from the mathematical vectors into something that can be displayed with pixels.
This translation process is relatively simple: the computer takes vector lines, lays them on top of a pixel canvas, and then fills in each pixel that the lines enclose. Display technology is the limiting factor. Its not that simple as you make it out to be.
It would matter if Antialiasing was used.Then your argument would apply. But in this case it's not.
Antialiasing repurposes pixels into building blocks that approximate what should be displayed on the screen instead of what is displayed on the screen. Instead of filling in boxes (pixels) with on or off states based on how they are enclosed by vector lines, antialiasing uses some visual and perceptual tricks to get closer to the real mathematical image. The most common trick uses things called half-pixels, which are pixels at the edges of paths displayed at different intensities around shape edges, to mimic the effect of having higher resolution.
When you zoom out, those different intensities simulate the look of a sharp edge. These half-pixels can fill in gaps that solid on pixels cannot. It tricks the brain into perceiving a sharp shape.This is why reading on high density displays feels so much better, youre not looking at blurry shapes.
The problem is that computers are terrible at doing it automatically. Because the computer doesnt know what is in the resized image, it doesnt know where to optimize using half-pixels. And OSX does not use this natively. There fore making your argument null and invalid.
If you want a meaningful test of the display, go find something with a tiny font and then zoom out as much as you can and try reading that. With a sharp enough screen, you can have the text come out as legible even though it is so small that your eyes can't make sense of it (i.e. you'd need a magnifying glass to read it), but with an iPhone, the text becomes too fuzzy and blurry way before I hit the limit of my eyesight.
Then you must have bad eyesight.
Like this. Looks readable to me.
Yes. The iPhone 5. Like said, the signal strength circles and a lot of the other line graphics are pixelated, and small text becomes extremely fuzzy to the point of being totally unreadable. Which is quite apparent in the picture I linked to as well.
Now, for your exercise, when you take a screenshot, what you get is not a representation of what you see on your screen, but a dump of the contents of the video RAM. Maybe that'll help you figure out why it isn't really relevant.
Oh, and when you zoom in on vector graphics (as you have done), you'll see less and less pixelation because the object is recalculated and redrawn every time you zoom. The more you zoom in on text, the smoother and sharper it will look like.
If you want a meaningful test of the display, go find something with a tiny font and then zoom out as much as you can and try reading that. With a sharp enough screen, you can have the text come out as legible even though it is so small that your eyes can't make sense of it (i.e. you'd need a magnifying glass to read it), but with an iPhone, the text becomes too fuzzy and blurry way before I hit the limit of my eyesight.
Now, obviously, this isn't a huge problem, and it is not the end of the world. Still, when I pay premium prices, I do expect getting a product that matches the price.
But it doesn't equal to greater clarity. Not at all. Many factors play into how good a display is. And if you eyes can't see the difference between pixel count how is it beneficial? It isn't. Contrast is a better indicator, the difference between black and white balance. This is why OLED or a Plasma display looks better than a 4K led display on a TV. Plasma is highly regarded as a better display technology as is OLED which is even better than Plasma. Neither require a backlight to provide light. Meaning Blacks are truely black. Not grey. Local dimming LED is much better and comes close to Plasma and OLED by you get my point.
Plasma is too costly to make, hence as is OLED. This is why you see LED everything and Plasma is now almost gone despite the fact that it is a better display technology. Profit margins are too low on both.
http://www.cnet.com/news/budget-tv-resolution-rumble-720p-plasma-vs-4k-led-lcd/
The same rules apply to smartphone displays.
I would like to see Apple go to a better display technology than LED. AMOLED on samsung phones is a better technology or IGZO OLED than a higher PPI phone. Yes bring on the higher PPI if it is beneficial. If not leave it as is.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
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I am 40 with 20/15 vision with my contacts in. And I cannot see a difference between my Galaxy S4 and Iphone 5S. Even posted a zoomed in picture of both above.
What is my issue than?![]()
Dude, are you serious? I really feel like this post made me dumber just by reading. Its really sad if you truly are a computer engineer, because you are completely wrong.
A screenshot on ANY phone is not an actual representation of what you seen pixel wise, it is only the internal vRam dump. If you cannot understand this, then you are a poor computer engineer.
Again, you are incorrect, and it is slightly maddening how you are telling this man that is giving you facts that he is wrong. The screen of the text graphics you zoomed in on have NO effect other than display orientation/ratio on the screenshot that is displayed.
I own both an HTC One M8 and an iPhone 5s. The HTC's display is CLEARLY sharper! For you to claim that nobody can see the difference is quite irritating, as it is clear as day to me and my eyes aren't the best!.
Now, whether or not one cares about resolution is a different story.
I can't believe dude posted a screenshot as proof..smh
You must have a defective phone take it back to the Apple Store!
If you look down at the iphone 5 you are holding the signal bars and logo are not pixelated at all. This tells me either you really don't have a iphone 5 or that or your eyes are bad.
Now, for your exercise, when you take a screenshot, what you get is not a representation of what you see on your screen, but a dump of the contents of the video RAM. Maybe that'll help you figure out why it isn't really relevant.
Like I said I will not embarrass your further by pointing out how this is utter nonsense. You can do that if you like.![]()
If you want a meaningful test of the display, go find something with a tiny font and then zoom out as much as you can and try reading that. With a sharp enough screen, you can have the text come out as legible even though it is so small that your eyes can't make sense of it (i.e. you'd need a magnifying glass to read it), but with an iPhone, the text becomes too fuzzy and blurry way before I hit the limit of my eyesight.
Then you must have bad eyesight.
Like this. Looks readable to me.
Dude, are you serious? I really feel like this post made me dumber just by reading. Its really sad if you truly are a computer engineer, because you are completely wrong.
A screenshot on ANY phone is not an actual representation of what you seen pixel wise, it is only the internal vRam dump. If you cannot understand this, then you are a poor computer engineer.
Again, you are incorrect, and it is slightly maddening how you are telling this man that is giving you facts that he is wrong. The screen of the text graphics you zoomed in on have NO effect other than display orientation/ratio on the screenshot that is displayed.
I own both an HTC One M8 and an iPhone 5s. The HTC's display is CLEARLY sharper! For you to claim that nobody can see the difference is quite irritating, as it is clear as day to me and my eyes aren't the best!.
Now, whether or not one cares about resolution is a different story.
I can't believe dude posted a screenshot as proof..smh
Dude, are you serious? I really feel like this post made me dumber just by reading. Its really sad if you truly are a computer engineer, because you are completely wrong.
A screenshot on ANY phone is not an actual representation of what you seen pixel wise, it is only the internal vRam dump. If you cannot understand this, then you are a poor computer engineer.
Are you serious? Or just dumb enough to believe yourself. I don't know which. I explained in great detail to your buddy what vector graphics were and explained myself more than I am willing to do for you. Your comprehension is poor to say the least.
VRam dump has nothing to do with the pix elation you see on a screenshot or your phone. Period. Zero. Zilch.
I am getting dumber just reading your non-sense.
I got a easy exercise for your for you. Or anyone reading this thread they can do themselves. And see how truly how clueless you really are.
Zoom in all the way on some text and pick a letter. Now take a screen shot of that said letter. Now go back to the screen you took a screen shot of with the same letter. Now compare the two. Now you will be looking at the actual screen not a screen shot compared to the screen shot you just took. Just in case you cannot comprehend.
Guess what. They will look exactly the same. You can read my earlier post explaining in great detail why this is. Where I provide facts as of why which can be verified if you look it up.
Good day sir I am done feeding the trolls. I am getting more stupid just replying to you imbeciles.![]()
Your issue is that the Galaxy S4 is a pentile display. It doesn't have that many more SPPI than a Retina-display iPhone, and I mentioned this in my previous post. I suggest you google it, because it makes perfect sense.
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There's no point arguing with him, really. You and I (and many, many others) recognize just how much sharper the HTC One M7/M8 is over the iPhone 4/4S/5/5S. Again, the desktop version of www.nyt.com on the iPhone 5S is pretty unreadable low-resolution mess at full zoom out, as an example. This is a simple case of not enough pixels. You know it, I know it. Plus, he's comparing his Galaxy S4, which has a crappy pentile display - where all text looks a little aliased/jagged at all times, and has not many more sub pixels per inch more than the iPhone (unlike the HTC One which blows both away in terms of sharpness).
Just let it go, though, because this is another classic case of "Well I have no issue - therefore there's no issue" complex.
Your issue is that the Galaxy S4 is a pentile display. It doesn't have that many more SPPI than a Retina-display iPhone, and I mentioned this in my previous post. I suggest you google it, because it makes perfect sense.
I only mentioned the Galaxy S4, because I actually own the phone. I have no issue with a pentile display or any other display. Nor have I said as much.
There's no point arguing with him, really. You and I (and many, many others) recognize just how much sharper the HTC One M7/M8 is over the iPhone 4/4S/5/5S. Again, the desktop version of www.nyt.com on the iPhone 5S is pretty unreadable low-resolution mess at full zoom out, as an example. This is a simple case of not enough pixels. You know it, I know it. Plus, he's comparing his Galaxy S4, which has a crappy pentile display - where all text looks a little aliased/jagged at all times, and has not many more sub pixels per inch more than the iPhone (unlike the HTC One which blows both away in terms of sharpness).
I have in my offices the Galaxy S5, HTC one M8, Nexus, Sony Experia etc and a few others. I never said they don't have a sharper display. Or if a higher pixel phone will not have a sharper display.
I said that most people beyond 300PPI cannot tell the difference. I compared all of them to one another at one time or another. I have 20/15 vision with my contacts in. Anything beyond 300+ PPI will have diminished returns. As in less battery life, more strain on the processor etc. Heck, the LG is bogged down by its display. That is a perfect example of too much.
I am not against a higher PPI iphone, sure why not. No my iphone 5s is not pix elated nor is it blurry when zoomed in. If yours is that is your problem. Get some glasses.
Anyone can zoom in on their 5 or 5S on a letter and see how pix-elated or non-pix-elated it is to them. This is not rocked science.
I am betting you don't even own a iphone for comparison. Just another troll trolling along.![]()
They are indeed pixelated. Nobody in their right mind or with any sort of normal vision can not say with a straight face that they are not pixelated. I'm attaching some blowups from your screenshots where the jaggedness of the lines are clearly visible.
I realize that this is a tricky one. I'll give you one more hint: I'm looking at that screenshot on a 27" iMac display.
If that is not fuzzy and blurry to you, then the problem is that you have no standard of quality. It's legible, but definitely not anything that I would want to read, even on this big screen I'm on. Can't imagine how bad it would be on a phone.
They are indeed pixelated. Nobody in their right mind or with any sort of normal vision can not say with a straight face that they are not pixelated. I'm attaching some blowups from your screenshots where the jaggedness of the lines are clearly visible.
Please just stop..........
Yeah its a tricky one........
Didn't you embaress yourself enough. Seriously. You're like a monkey who gets some plastic grapes and goes to the corner and finds out they are not edible but still goes back to the table for more.
I explained in detail why what you are saying is not correct. You can check if I am correct or not, if fact anyone reading this thread can do the same. Are a galaxy s5 or HTC one M8 less pixelated. Actually yes they are less pixelated. Can most peoples eyes see it in actual use. No.
You actually have to click on the screen shots I posted to see the whole thing. Why do I have to explain this to you? Click.............on..............the..............................screen.............................shot.
Well..................Forget it. I will not even respond. Useless.
Have a nice day.
Here is my original screen shots.
You're attaching blowups of my screen shots, which were from your computer. My screen shots were uploaded straight from my phone. Of coarse they they will be blurry from a screen shot of your computer.
I have a computer engineering and marketing degree. I will not embarrass you any further by explaining to your what you said makes no sense at all. Your doing that fine by yourself.
Yes. The iPhone 5. Like said, the signal strength circles and a lot of the other line graphics are pixelated, and small text becomes extremely fuzzy to the point of being totally unreadable. Which is quite apparent in the picture I linked to as well.
If you look down at the iphone 5 you are holding the signal bars and logo are not pixelated at all. This tells me either you really don't have a iphone 5 or that or your eyes are bad. Anyone reading this thread can do the same and see that your are making stuff up as we go. If you actually click on the screen shot I posted you will see the same. Shame you did not do that. Anyone reading this thread can see that.
Now, for your exercise, when you take a screenshot, what you get is not a representation of what you see on your screen, but a dump of the contents of the video RAM. Maybe that'll help you figure out why it isn't really relevant.
Like I said I will not embarrass your further by pointing out how this is utter nonsense. You can do that if you like.
Oh, and when you zoom in on vector graphics (as you have done), you'll see less and less pixelation because the object is recalculated and redrawn every time you zoom. The more you zoom in on text, the smoother and sharper it will look like.
Wrong again. It can only look as sharp as the screen it is displayed upon. I know what vector graphics are and how they work. Apparently you do not.
Most icons and logos are stored in vector image files that specify perfect mathematical representations of their shapes. Unlike JPG and PNG images, vector graphic files dont tell the computer how to display their contents in pixels; for a vector graphic to be displayed, the computer has to perform a translation from the mathematical vectors into something that can be displayed with pixels.
This translation process is relatively simple: the computer takes vector lines, lays them on top of a pixel canvas, and then fills in each pixel that the lines enclose. Display technology is the limiting factor. Its not that simple as you make it out to be.
It would matter if Antialiasing was used.Then your argument would apply. But in this case it's not.
Antialiasing repurposes pixels into building blocks that approximate what should be displayed on the screen instead of what is displayed on the screen. Instead of filling in boxes (pixels) with on or off states based on how they are enclosed by vector lines, antialiasing uses some visual and perceptual tricks to get closer to the real mathematical image. The most common trick uses things called half-pixels, which are pixels at the edges of paths displayed at different intensities around shape edges, to mimic the effect of having higher resolution.
When you zoom out, those different intensities simulate the look of a sharp edge. These half-pixels can fill in gaps that solid on pixels cannot. It tricks the brain into perceiving a sharp shape.This is why reading on high density displays feels so much better, youre not looking at blurry shapes.
The problem is that computers are terrible at doing it automatically. Because the computer doesnt know what is in the resized image, it doesnt know where to optimize using half-pixels. And OSX does not use this natively. There fore making your argument null and invalid.
If you want a meaningful test of the display, go find something with a tiny font and then zoom out as much as you can and try reading that. With a sharp enough screen, you can have the text come out as legible even though it is so small that your eyes can't make sense of it (i.e. you'd need a magnifying glass to read it), but with an iPhone, the text becomes too fuzzy and blurry way before I hit the limit of my eyesight.
Then you must have bad eyesight.
Like this. Looks readable to me.
We will find out soon enough but you can see it beating the crap out of the a7 but the a8 is staying dual core while the new exynos can use all 8 cores at the same time for max performance..
Mabey u shouldn't hold the phone 2" away from your faceNo, nothing wrong with it. If you can't see it, however, then you have defective eyesight, or more likely, a rather distorted view of reality...
So if someone is against somethin (in this case a underspeced ugly phone) they automatically become trolls.
The trolls are loose.
Why do people who don't even own the phone or are against it in every way go on this site? Nothing better to do?
So if someone is against somethin (in this case a underspeced ugly phone) they automatically become trolls.
What happened to progress, inovation, leadership? Apple was all that. Was. By telling us to shut up and praise every piece of **** they produce they will surely sink even deeper behind the competition.![]()
The trolls are loose.
Why do people who don't even own the phone or are against it in every way go on this site? Nothing better to do?
So if someone is against somethin (in this case a underspeced ugly phone) they automatically become trolls.
What happened to progress, inovation, leadership? Apple was all that. Was. By telling us to shut up and praise every piece of **** they produce they will surely sink even deeper behind the competition.![]()
Here's the difference Apple fan can care less about Samsung, android or windows.Wow, seriously? So because somebody isn't eating the bs that Apple is dishing out, they're automatically a troll? The "trolls" simply want Apple to stop BS'ing. It's 2014 and your phone's display is barely a step above 720p? In 20 freaking 14? If Samsung did this, the Apple iFans would bash the hell out of the phone. But when Apple pulls this crap, they get an automatic pass? I mean seriously?
Where's the Apple from 2007, who turned the entire industry on it's ear with the release of the original iPhone? Where's the Apple of 2010, who (instead of saying..."ya know, the iPhone 3GS's display and camera is good enough/let's just leave it like that...this high of a screen resolution is unneeded, you can't tell the difference, it'll use too much battery life, ect") reinvented the phone AGAIN, with the iPhone 4? Apple has been BSing for far too long and I just think a lot of people simply aren't drinking the kool aid anymore. If that makes them a troll, then so be it.
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Wow, seriously? So because somebody isn't eating the bs that Apple is dishing out, they're automatically a troll? The "trolls" simply want Apple to stop BS'ing. It's 2014 and your phone's display is barely a step above 720p? In 20 freaking 14? If Samsung did this, the Apple iFans would bash the hell out of the phone. But when Apple pulls this crap, they get an automatic pass? I mean seriously?
Where's the Apple from 2007, who turned the entire industry on it's ear with the release of the original iPhone? Where's the Apple of 2010, who (instead of saying..."ya know, the iPhone 3GS's display and camera is good enough/let's just leave it like that...this high of a screen resolution is unneeded, you can't tell the difference, it'll use too much battery life, ect") reinvented the phone AGAIN, with the iPhone 4? Apple has been BSing for far too long and I just think a lot of people simply aren't drinking the kool aid anymore. If that makes them a troll, then so be it.
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Here's the difference Apple fan can care less about Samsung, android or windows.
Apple fans do not go to android sites!
The vast majority cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p
The funny part is that even apple fans (like myself) are being bashed for criticising the poor choices the company makes. I truily want Apple to be that "wow" company again... And many here should realise this is not the case with Apple anymore.The amount of Samsung bashing on this forum is unreal. You can't even make a positive comment about Samsung without being attacked by the Apple iBots "Samdung" I mean really?