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400+ Features in Tiger - What Apple Failed Mention...

redeye_be said:
Your worst nightmare would be auto-fill, where spotlight proposes a search term (like browser do with hand typed urls).

Spotlight: a
-sian
-ss
-nal
-...

;) :p
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That is too funny. I would be afraid to even use Spotlight at work.
 
spacepower7 said:
Spotlight is instantaneous (sp?) "find" heaven. My only doubt is lack of privacy. It scans all text files, email, pdf, psd qt, avi, divx, jpg, etc.......metadata.....
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There is a feature where you can tell it to not return results for certain files/folders so if others are searching you can keep some things private. It's listed on Apple's website somewhere.
 
GodBless said:
What is this guide all about? What does it have to do with Tiger's release?
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Its a movie adaptation of a classic british sci-fi radio play/book/tv show. It's got nothing to do with Tiger's release aside from a co-incident release date, and a huge overlap in fan base.

What I mean is although I've told myself I will wait for 10.4.1, I bet that resolve will only last until Tiger is actually out...
 
redeye_be said:
Imho you will be waiting forever for this one.
I understand your need and might even find this usefull myself (it would make me buy a shuffle faster ;)), yet technically i don't see this happening.

Cheers
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I can see it happening. Apple mentioned that Tiger is more compatible with Windows. This would be a step in that direction.
 
GodBless said:
I can see it happening. Apple mentioned that Tiger is more compatible with Windows. This would be a step in that direction.
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Even in windows you have to choose between DOS (FAT) and NT (NTFS) filesystems.
Tiger i think will support reading/writing from/to ntfs disks, panther and before where allready FAT-able.
You will have to choose, no mather how compatible OS X gets to Windows.

Cheers
 
redeye_be said:
Even in windows you have to choose between DOS (FAT) and NT (NTFS) filesystems.
Tiger i think will support reading/writing from/to ntfs disks, panther and before where allready FAT-able.
You will have to choose, no mather how compatible OS X gets to Windows.

Cheers
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If third party software can do it then so can the OS. I don't like to pay for system tools so I haven't been able to use this feature since I don't pirate software.
 
GodBless said:
If third party software can do it then so can the OS. I don't like to pay for system tools so I haven't been able to use this feature since I don't pirate software.
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What third party software are u talking about?
What does it do, on what platform?

just being curious (and a bit a- ;))
 
redeye_be said:
What third party software are u talking about?
What does it do, on what platform?

just being curious (and a bit a- ;))
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It is a Windows program but I am 100% sure that an application can be made on a mac to do the same thing. The program is called Partition Magic and you can Partition a hard drive to have multiple partitions and be several different file formats on the same disk including NTFS, Mac OS Extended, FAT 32 and more. I even think it includes unix file systems for Linux.
 
GodBless said:
It is a Windows program but I am 100% sure that an application can be made on a mac to do the same thing. The program is called Partition Magic and you can Partition a hard drive to have multiple partitions and be several different file formats on the same disk including NTFS, Mac OS Extended, FAT 32 and more. I even think it includes unix file systems for Linux.
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I'm curious -- I haven't tried it but shouldn't Panther be able to this already? Disk Utility will partition disks for you, and I through it could format things to MS-DOS format (I don't have a disk on hand I can't check that part).

It seems to me the biggest question would be is the parition table on an HFS+ formatted drive compatible with the partition table on a FAT or NTFS drive?

Since the two systems developed indpendently I wouldn't be surprised if they are completely different, so even if you could do this to a firewire drive you still wouldn't be able to plug it into a PC and see anything.
 
stcanard said:
I'm curious -- I haven't tried it but shouldn't Panther be able to this already? Disk Utility will partition disks for you, and I through it could format things to MS-DOS format (I don't have a disk on hand I can't check that part).
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Yes and no. You can erase a disk to totally be MS-DOS filesystem but you can't make a partition for MS-DOS filesystem. Instead you only have the choices of Mac OS Extended (journaled or unjournaled) and Unix File System. You also have the option of "Free Space" (I don't know the use of this but I think I may have read somewhere that you should have at least 10% of your hard drive space free at all times).

stcanard said:
It seems to me the biggest question would be is the partition table on an HFS+ formatted drive compatible with the partition table on a FAT or NTFS drive?
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That doesn't matter much. It might make writing a program to do this a little harder though. If one program can do it (Partition Magic can) then other applications can do it too.

stcanard said:
Since the two systems developed indpendently I wouldn't be surprised if they are completely different, so even if you could do this to a firewire drive you still wouldn't be able to plug it into a PC and see anything.
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Macs read PC formatted drives and there is software that make it possible for PCs to read mac formatted drives (such as TransMac) so even if they are quite different it is easy to make them compatible with each other.
 
GodBless said:
You also have the option of "Free Space" (I don't know the use of this but I think I may have read somewhere that you should have at least 10% of your hard drive space free at all times).
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Yup it's a filesystem setting so that you can ensure there will always be space available for the system to keep functioning even if something in user space goes haywire and eats all the disk space. That free space can only be used by root.


Re: different parition tables
That doesn't matter much. It might make writing a program to do this a little harder though. If one program can do it (Partition Magic can) then other applications can do it too.

Macs read PC formatted drives and there is software that make it possible for PCs to read mac formatted drives (such as TransMac) so even if they are quite different it is easy to make them compatible with each other.
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You are correct, but it depends on what you want to do. If all you're interested in is using your Mac to make a dual (FAT|NTFS) & HFS+ drive, then you could just install the filesystem tools that Linux uses (I haven't looked, but I would bet that they are available in Fink), use Disk Utility to parition and format the HFS+ side, and mkfs to do the (FAT|NTFS) side. Although, given that OSX can natively use FAT32 drives, I'm not sure why you would bother, I would just make everything FAT32 and not worry about it.

OTOH if what you're looking for is a bootable drive for both systems, it starts to matter very much -- then the parition table needs to be read by the BIOS and that's hard coded into the systems. It might work (I don't know) but I can't guarantee anything.

When looking at Parition Magic you have to remember that NTFS, EXT2/3, XFS, RieserFS et al were defined to have the same partition table format as FAT, just so that this can be done, so being able to create a drive that is bootable in NTFS by Windows and EXT3 in Linux does not guarantee that with a similar effort you could to the same thing with NTFS/HFS+

If you're looking for a dual boot drive, it might work, it might not. If that's what you're looking for, it might be an idea to parition a drive in Windows, plug it into the Mac & format a partition HFS+, then see what happens. Again, I can't say for certain one way or the other -- the only time I ever really get interested in parition tables and master boot records is when they fail, and by then it's usually too late... :(
 
stcanard said:
When looking at Parition Magic you have to remember that NTFS, EXT2/3, XFS, RieserFS et al were defined to have the same partition table format as FAT, just so that this can be done, so being able to create a drive that is bootable in NTFS by Windows and EXT3 in Linux does not guarantee that with a similar effort you could to the same thing with NTFS/HFS+
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Boy I just looked and noticed that it doesn't support Mac hard drive partitioning after all. I don't know why I thought it did. You must be right then. Thanks for the information.
 
Daveway said:
I can't get Tiger because I don't "need" it. I hate when my mom tries to manage MY money.
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Tell her that it will help you get work done at double the speed with it. If you make it sound like a fact (which it is) then she will probably let you get it.

Daveway said:
Did anyone notice the new sounds at the MWSF demo?
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No. Which ones are you referring to?
 
GodBless said:
Boy I just looked and noticed that it doesn't support Mac hard drive partitioning after all. I don't know why I thought it did. You must be right then. Thanks for the information.
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I still won't even guarantee that I'm right :)

For me the best feature in Parition Magic is the non-destructive resizing or paritions. If Tiger would do that I would be very happy...
 
GodBless said:
It is a Windows program but I am 100% sure that an application can be made on a mac to do the same thing. The program is called Partition Magic and you can Partition a hard drive to have multiple partitions and be several different file formats on the same disk including NTFS, Mac OS Extended, FAT 32 and more. I even think it includes unix file systems for Linux.
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I think some packets where dropped in our conversation. I though u were trying to have one partition being both FAT and HFS... :rolleyes:
Guess you just want 1 HFS and 1 FAT, shouldn't be to big of a problem with the disk thingy in your utilities folder.

Cheers
 
Another feature not (completely) mentioned.

By hovering over text, and pressing Command-Control-D, you get a popup window with the Oxford dictionary definition for that word. This is documented, I think.

What's not documented is that if, after pressing Command-Control-D, you keep at least Command-Control pressed, the popup window will follow the mouse cursor, defining every word the mouse hovers over in turn.
 
The best thing I've discovered but never seen at Apple.com:

Anything you make in Automator can be added to the right-click context menu!!!

Now THAT's easy OS customization :)

There will be times now when it's easier to add a desired feature to the OS myself than to search for, download, and install a shareware add-on!
 
BornAgainMac said:
I have a question about Spotlight. Does it search other user's folders also?
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As I understand it, it INDEXES all users data together in one place... but doesn't actually display the results for other users' stuff.

Which raises this File Vault question:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/122105/

Also, re scalable UI... I don't know what the 256x256 icons thing refers to, but I did read someplace that Tiger contains scalable UI features for developers. So everything, even your window titles, can theoretically be at ANY res. That's a great step toward the future (and super high-res screens) but AIUI, it's just there for developers to be able to develop for it now. Those apps will then be scalable, but not the OS as a whole... until 10.5 :)
 
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