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halse said:
the "killer app" for the xMac would be one that transfers all of the user's files/email/isp settings etc from a PC (just like you can do now with a new mac)

Yup, if they're smart, they'll throw this one in:
http://www.apple.com/switch/howto/move2mac/

Otherwise - the comparison to the Dell system is pretty lame as long as we don't know exact specs and prices for the rumored (!) Apple system. I did however do a similar comparison when buying my PB last year, and Apple did quite well then... (plain hardware comparison).
 
<<- For viruses, Adware & Spyware you get McAfee works great I have had no issues.
- Windows XP: Works fine for me.
- Ginormous, ugly case: Its not that ugly, you set it on the ground & forget about it.

It still looks bad to me, if you threw in the G5 parts, I would agree with you that it would be a winner.>>

:confused: Have you actually used a recent Mac? I use a Vaio Z1 for work (1.5 Ghz Centrino) and have a 12" AlBook (1 Ghz G4) for home use. The Powerbook (aside from being amazingly user friendly) seems to be about twice as fast (compressing CDs for iTunes, running Citrix remote desktop client, webbrowser - Safari vs Opera, etc.). Of course that is just a very subjective feel. Yes, Win XP pro is alright, and yes: There is decent freeware out there to take care of virii, worms, spyware, _but_: The amount of time I spend on system maintenance (defrag, disk cleanup ...), ouch. System Maintenance for the Powerbook: Backup once a week. If there was not a little CAD Software problem our office would be Powermacs/Books, hands down. I am glad you are happy with your Dell. I think you would be happier with a Mac. I also believe that whoever spent upwards of 250 USD for an iPod will not hesitate one moment to shell out 50 extra Dollars for a Mac Computer vs. a Dell. Don't forget the Cool factor ;)
 
feakbeak said:
...The only thing that should really be done is to bump the memory to 512 at least ...
Won't happen, since to do that would mean having to up the lower limit on everything; this is the budget machine, after all.
B_Gates said:
I built my pc from parts bought at newegg over three years ago & I have never had any issues with the parts. Am I missing something here?
You were comparing it with a Dell earlier.

Either put forward a cohesive argument, or quit trolling and leave.
 
toes said:
<<- For viruses, Adware & Spyware you get McAfee works great I have had no issues.
- Windows XP: Works fine for me.
- Ginormous, ugly case: Its not that ugly, you set it on the ground & forget about it.

It still looks bad to me, if you threw in the G5 parts, I would agree with you that it would be a winner.>>

:confused: Have you actually used a recent Mac? I use a Vaio Z1 for work (1.5 Ghz Centrino) and have a 12" AlBook (1 Ghz G4) for home use. The Powerbook (aside from being amazingly user friendly) seems to be about twice as fast (compressing CDs for iTunes, running Citrix remote desktop client, webbrowser - Safari vs Opera, etc.). Of course that is just a very subjective feel. Yes, Win XP pro is alright, and yes: There is decent freeware out there to take care of virii, worms, spyware, _but_: The amount of time I spend on system maintenance (defrag, disk cleanup ...), ouch. System Maintenance for the Powerbook: Backup once a week. If there was not a little CAD Software problem our office would be Powermacs/Books, hands down. I am glad you are happy with your Dell. I think you would be happier with a Mac. I also believe that whoever spent upwards of 250 USD for an iPod will not hesitate one moment to shell out 50 extra Dollars for a Mac Computer vs. a Dell. Don't forget the Cool factor ;)

Never owned a mac, I use iTunes & think its a great program & service.

I just think when people go to buy a pc they compare the processor speed, RAM, HD size & progams they can use on that PC, that's why the IBM clones have 95% of the market & Apple is left 5%.
 
Has no-one notced that B_Gates is obviously a spoof or is everyone just so used to being wound up by PC users they just take it in their stride?
 
iJoe said:
Has no-one notced that B_Gates is obviously a spoof or is everyone just so used to being wound up by PC users they just take it in their stride?

I was confusing "spoof" with "clueless obviously misguided, misinformed, and incredibly wrong vaguely laughable at troll," I'll make a note of it and go flame some peecee luser forums to even out the karma (they're like fish in a barrel).
 
Just bored at work ...

... and trying to be nice. :D As for PC Specs, I don't think the average user cares: And the fact that B_Gates has not used a Mac pretty much says it all. You can't appreciate it, if you don't know any better. So we can just feel sorry for him and hope that he might try a Mac in the future. It's a free country! :cool:
 
B_Gates said:
Never owned a mac, I use iTunes & think its a great program & service.

I just think when people go to buy a pc they compare the processor speed, RAM, HD size & progams they can use on that PC, that's why the IBM clones have 95% of the market & Apple is left 5%.

You have a valid point, and there are people that do this. Those people are uninformed buyers, but those people still exist, and Apple needs to account for them. That is precisley why this needs to be marketed as a solution, and not a computer. It's an appliance. It's a way out of Windows hell. It's an iPod for the rest of your life.

Have you ever seen anyone walk into a store an compare the processor speed of the iPod to that of an iRiver? No.

Have you ever seen someone ask a sales rep how fast the processor is in a TiVo? No.

Have you ever seen someone ask if their game console was RISC or CISC? No.

Why? Becase they're not marketed that way. Apple needs to market this box like an ipod, not like a computer.
 
iJoe said:
Has no-one notced that B_Gates is obviously a spoof or is everyone just so used to being wound up by PC users they just take it in their stride?

No spoof I am. No seriously my first statement was my honest opinion. I have been a windows user since 98 & the only thing of late that got me interest in Apple was iTunes. Since then I have consider getting a mac to try one out, not because I need one I am just curious.

After looking at the apple lineup I am considering a imac G5 but I don't like the all in one pc & the power mac's are to expensive, so this leak is interesting to me that's why I gave you guys & gals something to chew on from a outsider.
 
jcroft said:
Why? Becase they're not marketed that way. Apple needs to market this box like an ipod, not like a computer.

Wow jcroft, that's BRILLIANT! Seriously! However this is Apple, when was the last time the actually marketed their computers competently? Never to late to start though.
 
B_Gates said:
I built my pc from parts bought at newegg over three years ago & I have never had any issues with the parts. Am I missing something here?

P4 2.66, 1G RAM, ATI 9700 Pro Video Card, Intel MB

Cool, you built your own car too then I assume? Do you have pictures of it?
 
Photorun said:
Wow jcroft, that's BRILLIANT! Seriously! However this is Apple, when was the last time the actually marketed their computers competently? Never to late to start though.

Well they certainly shouldn't listen to the marketing suggestions on these (and other) forums...if they had done that with iPod...you'd be seeing some TV ad espousing all of the gloriuos features of the iPod:

MP3
AAC
xxGB of storage

blah blah blah

I think Apple does need to figure out how to talk about the Mac. A feature by feature comparison might not really cut it. Not necessarily because they lose, but because it seems like the wrong thing to attract someone to the platform. There must be something more compelling. It has to be focused...distilling it to a single word would be best.

They have a lot of words to overcome..."incompatible"..."expensive"..."dead"...etc.
 
B_Gates said:
No spoof I am. No seriously my first statement was my honest opinion. I have been a windows user since 98 & the only thing of late that got me interest in Apple was iTunes. Since then I have consider getting a mac to try one out, not because I need one I am just curious.

After looking at the apple lineup I am considering a imac G5 but I don't like the all in one pc & the power mac's are to expensive, so this leak is interesting to me that's why I gave you guys & gals something to chew on from a outsider.

Hey, don't worry. People justifiably get annoyed when a PC fan turns up and starts rubbing people up the wrong way...

If you're honestly thinking of getting a Mac, get yourself to an Apple Store or a competent dealer to try one out.

The comparisons between PCs & Macs on price alone are deceptive.
A Mac will last longer and have better resale value. Also, if you're a student you may be able to get an edu discount or if not, then you may be able to get a refurb machine.

A little searching and reading on these forums will show you that there are loads of people that 'switched' and have never regretted it. I can't think of one person I know that has gone Mac and wants to return to their PC at a later stage (unless they're a hard-core gamer).
 
Has anyone said what video card will be in it? I'm betting Apple will put ATI Rage 128's in it :)
 
ccuilla said:
Well they certainly shouldn't listen to the marketing suggestions on these (and other) forums...if they had done that with iPod...you'd be seeing some TV ad espousing all of the gloriuos features of the iPod:

MP3
AAC
xxGB of storage

blah blah blah

I think Apple does need to figure out how to talk about the Mac. A feature by feature comparison might not really cut it. Not necessarily because they lose, but because it seems like the wrong thing to attract someone to the platform. There must be something more compelling. It has to be focused...distilling it to a single word would be best.

They have a lot of words to overcome..."incompatible"..."expensive"..."dead"...etc.


Well, that wouldn't have been my suggestion to Apple for ipod marketing! The iPod marketing has been damn-near perfect. They need to go about the "iMac mini" the same way.
 
jcroft said:
Well, that wouldn't have been my suggestion to Apple for ipod marketing! The iPod marketing has been damn-near perfect. They need to go about the "iMac mini" the same way.

We agree. Just that so many folks I read seem to think Apple needs to have "reaL" ads...whatever the heck that means.
 
Avicdar said:
For Apple to effectively market this machine, they simply need to do what they do best. Market the SOLUTIONS, not the speed.

Show what this machine can do. iPhoto, iTunes, iMovie, Word Pro, surfing, email, etc.

Whenever I see a commercial for Dell on TV selling something at a 'special' price, they just hammer out the specs. They don't tell you what you can do with the machine. I've never asked him, but I am sure that when my dad sees a commercial like this, it goes right over his head. How many times have YOU been asked by a friend to help you spec a machine "I see this one in the paper, is it good?" Apple needs to change this mindset.

Show what it can do. Show people how easy it is. Show the integration of the apps. Offer a 14 day money back guarantee. Bundle in some free instruction to get going for newbies. Include a nice DVD showing people how to use the machine and get the most from it. THIS is the kind of thing Apple does really well.

By the way, speaking of PC commercials on TV, you see the ones lately of the guy who is in bed, and he keeps calling Dell support, checking that someone will be there? He goes through all the holidays and non holidays, and the guy at Dell says someone will always be there.

I have always thought that commerical was a double edged sword. Sure, its good to know support is always available, but....

Apple could run this very same ad with one minor change at the end. A simple tag line that says "Dell support, always there for you 24/7. Because you're going to NEED them. Count on it."


As a PC user, I would love to see this happen. For those with
some memory, Amiga systems were unbelievable good. Instant
boot, nice graphics interface, efficient hd use, etcetcetc.
this machine did not have top notch hardware but were able
to do the job.

I am about to get over and give the Ibook G4 1.25Ghz a shot.
Unfortunately, everytime I go to an Apple Store I feel
that the system is not that "responsiveness" (it did not mean
that it is slow, please note). The OS may be multitask but
it looks that it is not using the dedicated video card as a pc user expects.
That's what is holding me...

I set an example for the responsiveness :
I have an old HP omnibook 6000 (pentium III, 600MHz, 8Mb ati video card).
Just as an example, if I access something like
http://www.miniclip.com and play "Nordic Chill", it is quite playable.
When I went to the Apple Store, I tried to see how amazing
the G4 1.25Ghz would be and....it was very, very slow.
Is this normal ? I am not up to answer that. Maybe it was
the settings from that ibook.

Well, let's see what Steve will offer to the rest of us.
 
I'm really not sure why you all are still arguing about the specs. "It should have 512MB RAM!" or "What about the video card?" and "1.25GHz is too slow". You all need to understand that this new miniMac will *not* be about the specs. It will be about letting a computer user do things easily. That means reading email, web surfing, word processing, instant messaging, etc. It's about the experience. Apple will market this for the experience. And Apple will win, hands down. The simple fact of the matter is that OS X and iLife makes doing these tasks easier than if you were on a PC. So, even if you had some tricked out 3+GHz PC, it doesn't matter, because it's about the software and the experience, NOT THE HARDWARE SPECS!

My Porsche 911 has a 3.2 litre engine. But does that mean a 5.0 litre SUV is faster? No, because you have to take the whole package into consideration. Comparing chip speeds is just like this.
 
ccuilla said:
We agree. Just that so many folks I read seem to think Apple needs to have "reaL" ads...whatever the heck that means.

For the headless Mac promotional ads, I propose:

Have silhouette outlines of office workers sitting in their chairs in front of the new uMacs. For the soundtrack, we could have sound of keyboard and mouse clicks.
 
Sir_Giggles said:
For the headless Mac promotional ads, I propose:

Have silhouette outlines of office workers sitting in their chairs in front of the new uMacs. For the soundtrack, we could have sound of keyboard and mouse clicks.

A tie-in with the iPod ads is a nice idea. An office, however, is not. Business users are NOT the target audience of this machine.
 
jcroft said:
There is no question that Mac OS X is not as responsive as Windows XP. This is a problem that Apple needs to address and anyone on these forums that denies it exists is just a Mac bigot who is blinded by too much Macstrubation.
I guess I'll remember that the next time I click on something in XP and instead of letting me do something it brings up a dialogue box asking me if that is what I want to do.

I do appreciate the speed the dialogue box opens however. :)
 
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