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For basic use 4g is fine. The demands of email and the web have been pretty stagnant as of late. A few tabs in chrome and running itunes is not justfication for 8gb. I don't know what the hell people are doing on their machines but for what the OP wants 8gb is overkill. Now if he were running aperture, vms or final cut I would agree, 4gb is too little. But for everyday tasks, its fine.

I am asking myself the same question: wtf r people doing with their machines?
4gigs run perfectly fine with aperture and even final cut.
Just watch reviews where this was tested.
Base models mba have no prbs with 4gigs of ram.
I have one at home!!
The real world review posted before pretty much explains it all.
People expect bad performance from the base model but they are surprised!
Apple doesnt downgrade the mbp series to 4gigs and then it doesnt work!

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I have, in fact, used a 2008 MBA (on Lion, last year). With just Safari and VLC running, the RAM was maxed out. The system was excruciatingly slow. Also, I have a 2009 white MacBook with 2GB RAM. Similar experience.

Perhaps I exaggerated a bit. But nevertheless, 2GB is quite definitely far too little regular use. Heck, my 8GB running pro boots up with over 2GB memory used right away, and that too without any memory hogging boot apps. During regular (non-pro) usage, I often cross 4GB.

How do u know its cuz of the ram?
 
How do u know its cuz of the ram?

I checked in activity monitor in both cases. RAM was almost full. Virtual memory was in use.

I was on 4Gigs on my mid-2010 MBP till 6 months ago. Even with basic web browsing (Chrome), iTunes, TextEdit, VLC, etc., I was filling it out. I switched to 8Gigs and now it's smooth sailing. I'm usually at around 3-4 of actual usage (not counting inactive memory). When I use Lightroom or VMWare Fusion, I usually end up at around 6 or more.
 
I checked in activity monitor in both cases. RAM was almost full. Virtual memory was in use.

I was on 4Gigs on my mid-2010 MBP till 6 months ago. Even with basic web browsing (Chrome), iTunes, TextEdit, VLC, etc., I was filling it out. I switched to 8Gigs and now it's smooth sailing. I'm usually at around 3-4 of actual usage (not counting inactive memory). When I use Lightroom or VMWare Fusion, I usually end up at around 6 or more.


My virtual memory is always in use. I always have to swap Be it with 4gigs of ram, 8 or 16!
Did the mid-2010 run ssd + mavericks?

iTunes doesnt count. Thats always slow on any system.

More ram works wonders on old machines. This doesnt count for new ones.
If your 2010 doesnt run properly with browsing and textedit, then its busted in general.
The ram just supplements.
 
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My virtual memory is always in use. I always have to swap Be it with 4gigs of ram, 8 or 16!
Did the mid-2010 run ssd + mavericks?

SSD with Mountain Lion (Mavericks hadn't been announced).

I'm running 8Gigs with no swap (0 Page Outs).
 
SSD with Mountain Lion (Mavericks hadn't been announced).

I'm running 8Gigs with no swap (0 Page Outs).

I am really out of ideas then.
My machine with 4gigs and 500hdd doesnt run sluggish with chrome and text editing and photoshop. At all! Even under mountain lion.

Doesnt make sense :confused:
 
I am really out of ideas then.
My machine with 4gigs and 500hdd doesnt run sluggish with chrome and text editing and photoshop. At all! Even under mountain lion.

Doesnt make sense :confused:

That's actually weird. Maybe I'm just out of it...

I'm crossing 3.5GB running 3 Chrome tabs, VLC and TextEdit. Lightroom usually grabs another Gig or so. How much of the virtual memory are you using?

Raptor
 
That's actually weird. Maybe I'm just out of it...

I'm crossing 3.5GB running 3 Chrome tabs, VLC and TextEdit. Lightroom usually grabs another Gig or so. How much of the virtual memory are you using?

Raptor

I cant get at the 4gig/500hdd atm.
I usually dont try to pay attention to activity monitor.
I just quit unused apps (somtimes) and I dont have any slowness.
My rmbp is always swapping and using virtual memory but only using 6gb of the 8gb ram.
Your mbp 2010 shouldnt have problems even with 4gigs. it really shouldnt!
 
That's actually weird. Maybe I'm just out of it...

I'm crossing 3.5GB running 3 Chrome tabs, VLC and TextEdit. Lightroom usually grabs another Gig or so. How much of the virtual memory are you using?

Raptor

I don't know why, but OS X seems to swap even with plenty of free RAM. At the moment, I have 6.5/16GB used, and 1.3GB of swap. If you restart every day, it clears your RAM, otherwise longer uptimes can accumulate more memory usage.
 
I don't know why, but OS X seems to swap even with plenty of free RAM. At the moment, I have 6.5/16GB used, and 1.3GB of swap. If you restart every day, it clears your RAM, otherwise longer uptimes can accumulate more memory usage.

That's really weird. As I said above, I have 8Gigs, around 6 used, and no swap.

Also, there's no need to restart. You can clear the inactive memory with the purge command in terminal (superuser).
 
That's really weird. As I said above, I have 8Gigs, around 6 used, and no swap.

Also, there's no need to restart. You can clear the inactive memory with the purge command in terminal (superuser).

I found with my last Macbook on Lion that purging cleared inactive memory, but left the swap file untouched (if one exists).
 
Yeah...you know, the OP only needs 4GB RAM if he upgrades every two years for sure. But, actually, he really doesn't need a MBP at all for what he says he does. Really, he should get a base model Air, or some $400 laptop.

That's the thing, and why I would argue that it's potentially "worth" getting 8GB or 16GB of RAM for a RMBP. It's an expensive, relatively powerful computer. People _use_ old computers, and it has definitely been my experience that more RAM helps old computers run newer operating systems and applications. Now, that trend might not continue (as a lot of people have argued), but it's hard to know how OSX.12 (especially, say, with a vm running some future version of Windows) might utilize RAM, along with whatever applications people are going to use in a few years. As far as 4GB, there are interesting tests like this one:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-ram-endurance,3475.html

Again, not an issue for short-term use. But one reason that there are all of these RAM-argument threads is that your mileage may vary, and no one really knows how much RAM you will want in a few years.

That is what is so obnoxious about non-upgradeable computers--it's ridiculous that we have to decide now. But if you'd like your computer's non-recyclable parts to stay out of a landfill for longer (laptops, phones, etc. have a relatively heavy environmental impact--they use rare-earth minerals, and RMBPs are especially hard to recycle: http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/10/apple-and-epeat-greenwashing/) you might want to buy a computer that someone (even if it's not you) will still be using in six years or more. When you're done with it, sell it, give it to your nephew, donate it to some organization that needs it. I think that's why the 4GB option is bad; it speaks to having a disposable device.
 
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4GB is enough for basic use, however if you want to keep the computer for a longer amount of time, get 8GB.

1-2 years = 4GB
3-4+ years = 8GB
 
4GB is enough for basic use, however if you want to keep the computer for a longer amount of time, get 8GB.

1-2 years = 4GB
3-4+ years = 8GB

But seriously man this is really stupid advice, saying that the base model will only last 1-2 years.
Thats oversimplified and misleading.
More ram does not magicaly increase the computers lifespan.

But with the deal he is getting the 8/256 is the recommended model anyway.
 
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thanks for all the thoughts guys! at the end of the day this turned out to be a moot point, because i couldn't resist and opened up the 15" i had gotten as part of that short deal last week ($1749 from BH). it's a bit of a splurge, but this thing is truly amazing. having the 15" screen really does make a difference - there is such an enjoyment in using my laptop again that i did not have with the air, and this retina display really is breathtaking. i know for my uses the 4GB would have been plenty, but now i get it all: the 15" screen, the 8GB ram, and the 256 SSD. just took 5 more benjamins, haha.
 
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