5,1 cMP still best Mac for running BMD Resolve

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by MacVidCards, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. MacVidCards Suspended

    Nov 17, 2008
    Hollywood, CA
    Hey guys, had a fun day at the Burbank Airport Marriot.

    Blackmagic had a little show & tell of their new products from NAB 2015.

    I was amazed by the Fusion Demo, realized that the need to shoot real/live action sets is diminishing every day.

    Resolve 12 now includes some NLE functionality, so they are moving into Apple's former territory.

    I walked up to the Resolve try out area and chided them on the overwhelming iMac 5K presence there. I posed Dwaine M. a simple question.

    If I was setting up a Mac OS X system (non-Hack) to run Resolve, what machine offers the best possible performance? Without a moment's hesitation, the answer was "5,1 Mac Pro with one or more Titan-X cards"

    Another amazing thing I discovered was that Plasma TVs are now similar to cMP. One of the larger color grading houses in LA did a presentation on their workflow. Each color grading station is started with a Panasonic Plasma panel that is professionally color calibrated next to their reference panel, then sent out in the field. The world may have switched to LED/LCD TVs but the folks choosing the colors you see on TV are still grading on Plasma panels. (They do a bunch of shows, among them CSI: LA and their reel had Chris Meloni busting down doors)

    So, the industry will hold on to older tech for awhile, as long as it is better tech.

    As the day went on I spoke with a few past MVC customers and various other working professionals. A couple people (myself included) admitted to owning a nMP. Nobody i spoke to was using it for heavy lifting. And this is not a thing of joy, but of sadness. Twice I was asked what they should do when the 5,1 really runs up against the wall of usability. I had no answer.

    BMD were running demos on iMac and MBPs. People in the industry still love Apple. There is no denying that the "cool" factor is at play. But a serious fracture is around the corner, and I heard the word "Hackintosh" whispered hither and yon. Nobody wants to leave Apple, but in point of fact, Apple has left them.

    Two different people begged me to come demo eGPUs for them. And one guy specifically suggested that Netlkas & I turn our attention to making the world's best Hackintosh, complete with an EFI that doesn't know it wasn't born & raised in Cupertino.

    I have run the eGPU idea by BMD tech support, they don't feel that the bandwidth will work for Resolve. I may take one there and find out.

    All in all, a fun day. They had good sandwiches and cookies (though white chocolate macadamia would have been a nice touch) and the new 4K cameras are really something. Smaller then ever before, and have 4K or 4.6K sensors with 800 ISO base. I was amazed to discover that people had flown in from all over, for me it was 15 minutes up Hollywood Way, didn't even face any LA traffic.

    But, imagine that the ultimate Mac for running today's Pro software is not something that Apple makes anymore. I hope they drop the insanity, but we know they won't.
  2. pastrychef, Aug 27, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2015

    pastrychef macrumors 601


    Sep 15, 2006
    New York City, NY
    I also fear that we may be "hitting the wall" very soon in regards to how much further we can push the 4,1s and 5,1s. Like some of the people you mentioned, I also do not know which path I will take when it comes time to move on to a more modern machine.

    I really don't like the AMD GPUs. I've seen too many ATI/AMD GPUs die to have any faith in them. Even if their performance somehow magically leapfrog the Nvidia offerings overnight, I still have concerns about their how hot their GPUs run. This along with cost are the primary reasons I have ruled out the new Mac Pros thus far.
  3. OS6-OSX macrumors 6502a


    Jun 13, 2004
    I was at the Avid/BMD/Nvidia show June 17 at The Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel. If Mr. Alan Bell gave the Fusion Demo, I know exactly what you saw! I would like to see a Nuke/Fusion shoot out! I think Nuke still has the edge but since BMD acquired Fusion from Eyeon it's making great strides. I have no idea how long the comp I use has been EOL'd but
    LONG LIVE SHAKE!:cool:
  4. austinpike macrumors 6502

    Oct 5, 2008
    Yes, please.

    The Quo guys had issues as a company but I've got several of the their boards and I'm impressed with what they managed to pull off. A dual processor version of that would be tasty....
  5. Demigod Mac macrumors 6502a

    Apr 25, 2008
    I always thought Apple should make tower machines by resurrecting the Power Mac brand, can keep the nMP around as the 'prosumer' model to save face on their grave mistake.
  6. DucatiTerminator macrumors member


    Jun 11, 2015
    Moorpark, CA
    I had no idea you would be there. Wish I could have introduced myself. I sat through most of the presentations (all but one of the two Fusion ones -- I needed a little time to check out the new cameras). Marco Solorio of OneRiver Media gave a presentation of his experience with the new cameras. On one of his presentation slides, I saw OneRiver Media's blog page which had some info that may be of interest here:

    Mac Pro Tower Reborn
  7. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

    Mar 1, 2010
    Unless I get native support with both the graphics card & OS I'm not going to fool with it. I've learned the hard way putting hacked video cards/drivers/OS on an already aging Mac Pro platform thats almost 4 years or older. I have to have stability and reliability each and every time instead of getting a blank screen. I've already ordered a new 2013 Mac Pro that should be good for the next 6 years or so.
  8. DPUser macrumors 6502a

    Jan 17, 2012
    Thanks MVC; an interesting and informative read.
  9. MacVidCards thread starter Suspended

    Nov 17, 2008
    Hollywood, CA

    Wow, I sat through that presentation, wish I had known they were friends of ours, I would have said hello. The Fusion thing was fascinating.

    The BMD folks printed the name tags in such small type you had to be inches from someone before you could read their name tag. That and the Roast Beef sandwiches were always gone in seconds while the turkey ones laid around. The new cameras were exciting. If they invite me next year I'll wear a T-Shirt with large name. Hopefully it won't be 100F next year, I think I stayed an extra hour because I was scared to go get in my car.

    BMD is doing great stuff. I hope that Apple will turn back from their current course of abandoning the non-Apple Pro market. (i.e., nMP great for FCP-X, not so much so for Adobe or BMD apps)
  10. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

    Mar 1, 2010
    Its not that Apples left third party pro Apps. Its up to Adobe & Black Magic Design to develop their apps to work better with the new Mac Pro.
  11. DucatiTerminator macrumors member


    Jun 11, 2015
    Moorpark, CA
    I guess I got lucky with the roast beef sandwiches, LOL. The time between presentations wasn't very long, so I grabbed the nearest drink and snack. I got a chance to talk with Marco for a bit after the show closed. His presentation (and previously read blog review) piqued my interest in the Ursa Mini; picking his brain afterwards helped me towards pulling the trigger. Yeah, I wasn't too crazy about the hotter than usual weather. I was on two wheels, and it's hot no matter what speed you are riding.

    I'm excited about all of BMD's new product and improvements to their software. From what I understand, Adobe will be supporting Metal, but I forgot to ask BMD if/when they will be. But I agree, I hope the successor to the current nMP will at least feature eGPU support natively (or I will look towards your solution). Until then, I will keep my cMP's in the workflow as long as I can.
  12. ActionableMango macrumors G3


    Sep 21, 2010
    The only way my next computer will be an Apple is to bring back slots and bays. It feels hopeless though.
  13. auhlixer macrumors regular

    Apr 15, 2006
    Philadelphia, PA
    And Metal2.
  14. JesterJJZ macrumors 68020


    Jul 21, 2004
    Yeah, Apple no longer makes a machine I need. I'm researching building a Hack. Dual Xeon Hacks seem to be more problematic than i7 ones, hoping that get's better soon.
  15. Hank Carter macrumors 6502

    Oct 1, 2015
    Waiting for affordable NukeX...

    Waiting on a preorder Ursa Mini 4.6k...

    Waiting on a Mac Pro 7,1...

    All I seem to do these days is wait and wait and wait....

    But it is pathetic that in many ways the old 5,1 still is the box to beat. All the 5,1 needed was USB3 and Thunderbolt.

    Still tempted to pick up a 2012 12-core instead of a trashcan.
  16. JesterJJZ macrumors 68020


    Jul 21, 2004
    Thunderbolt is great for laptops, but I've yet to be in a situation where I said "Damn, wish my tower had Thunderbolt."

    Until Thunderbolt is neck and neck with PCIe speeds, meh...

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