5,1 with 10.14, Bootcamp, & Window7

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I want to see if anyone runs this combination before I take the 10.14 plunge. I have a 5,1 Mac Pro running 10.13.6. During a few of the earlier 10.13 installations my boot rom was updated. An earlier rom caused my windows7 bootcamp to crash shortly after startup (I tried everything to fix it all the way to vanilla win7) so I was forced to use win10 for several months. The latest rom "MP51.0087.B00" that was installed with 10.13.6 fixed the issue so my win7 winclone image could be used again.

So....looking at 10.14 I see that another boot rom update will be installed. Has anyone with a 5.1 Mac Pro installed 10.14 with a bootcamp drive that is on win7? Have you tested your win7 installation to see that everything is normal?

FWIW, I have a mac edition GTX680 so I should be covered for metal. One of the issues with win7 bootcamp is that it doesn't know what APFS is so booting back required using the built in boot picker (hold the alt key, ...)
 

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I want to see if anyone runs this combination before I take the 10.14 plunge. I have a 5,1 Mac Pro running 10.13.6. During a few of the earlier 10.13 installations my boot rom was updated. An earlier rom caused my windows7 bootcamp to crash shortly after startup (I tried everything to fix it all the way to vanilla win7) so I was forced to use win10 for several months. The latest rom "MP51.0087.B00" that was installed with 10.13.6 fixed the issue so my win7 winclone image could be used again.

So....looking at 10.14 I see that another boot rom update will be installed. Has anyone with a 5.1 Mac Pro installed 10.14 with a bootcamp drive that is on win7? Have you tested your win7 installation to see that everything is normal?

FWIW, I have a mac edition GTX680 so I should be covered for metal. One of the issues with win7 bootcamp is that it doesn't know what APFS is so booting back required using the built in boot picker (hold the alt key, ...)
Can you try downloading the latest drivers from Brigadier and see if it will work for you?

https://www.intowindows.com/brigadier-download-boot-camp-drivers-without-boot-camp-assistant/

After downloading the bootcamp you may have to use this script placed inside the bootcamp folder to force-install
https://pastebin.com/eeHxZfhu
 

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I want to see if anyone runs this combination before I take the 10.14 plunge. I have a 5,1 Mac Pro running 10.13.6. During a few of the earlier 10.13 installations my boot rom was updated. An earlier rom caused my windows7 bootcamp to crash shortly after startup (I tried everything to fix it all the way to vanilla win7) so I was forced to use win10 for several months. The latest rom "MP51.0087.B00" that was installed with 10.13.6 fixed the issue so my win7 winclone image could be used again.

So....looking at 10.14 I see that another boot rom update will be installed. Has anyone with a 5.1 Mac Pro installed 10.14 with a bootcamp drive that is on win7? Have you tested your win7 installation to see that everything is normal?

FWIW, I have a mac edition GTX680 so I should be covered for metal. One of the issues with win7 bootcamp is that it doesn't know what APFS is so booting back required using the built in boot picker (hold the alt key, ...)
MP51.0087.B00 was the one that Apple released without micro codes. 10.13.6 had MP51.0089.B00 correcting that. 138.0.0.0.0 has the micro codes and works correctly with Windows 7.
 

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MP51.0087.B00 was the one that Apple released without micro codes. 10.13.6 had MP51.0089.B00 correcting that. 138.0.0.0.0 has the micro codes and works correctly with Windows 7.
Alex is the bootcamp recognizing APFS? Is there a driver which works yet? MP61 should be supported according to Apple.

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swcdn.apple.com/content/downloads/12/19/041-04418/zyovr7clb473c1dz3kt30y82ppsr13eh7a/BootCampESD.pkg
 

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Alex is the bootcamp recognizing APFS? Is there a driver which works yet? MP61 should be supported according to Apple.

View attachment 788405

swcdn.apple.com/content/downloads/12/19/041-04418/zyovr7clb473c1dz3kt30y82ppsr13eh7a/BootCampESD.pkg
Booting BootCamp/macOS on 6,1 works via boot picker.

AFAIK, Apple never released an APFS driver for Windows, but this is interesting:
F3096AA9-B937-463F-BF72-38CD96735C8A.png
 
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ssls6

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MP51.0087.B00 was the one that Apple released without micro codes. 10.13.6 had MP51.0089.B00 correcting that. 138.0.0.0.0 has the micro codes and works correctly with Windows 7.
Thanks...that is interesting. I'm on 10.13.6 17G65 with boot rom MP51.0087.B00. I'm pretty sure I ran the full installer when available (June 29th 13.6.02). Yet based on your response I'm not current in my boot rom.
 

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Thanks Alex. I think I'll stick with 10.13.6 as I'm a bit afraid the new boot rom could break Window7 again. I don't know the entire history of boot roms for my 5,1. I just know that windows 7 bootcamp worked great for Sierra then at some point in High Sierra it stopped after a boot rom update, then after another it started working great again. I've been a seed tester since Lion so keeping known good OS images is something I do. Apple doesn't officially support Windows7 in bootcamp anymore and Windows10 lost HPFS support beyond 13xx or something. If I break something with a boot rom then I can't unbreak it.
 

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Thanks Alex. I think I'll stick with 10.13.6 as I'm a bit afraid the new boot rom could break Window7 again. I don't know the entire history of boot roms for my 5,1. I just know that windows 7 bootcamp worked great for Sierra then at some point in High Sierra it stopped after a boot rom update, then after another it started working great again. I've been a seed tester since Lion so keeping known good OS images is something I do. Apple doesn't officially support Windows7 in bootcamp anymore and Windows10 lost HPFS support beyond 13xx or something. If I break something with a boot rom then I can't unbreak it.
Just do a BootROM dump. If you miss something, restore the dump.
 

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Booting BootCamp/macOS on 6,1 works via boot picker.

AFAIK, Apple never released an APFS driver for Windows, but this is interesting:
View attachment 788414
Apple is so full of s... If they create a problem they should provide a remedy. That is how it works. You can't say oh use these cards (officially supported, MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5, SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5) which have no efi and use the boot picker. What is more, now if you have GT-120+ RX580 it won't even let you boot to Mojave. It is a catch 22. So if MP6.1 is supported for bootcamp they should provide drivers to enable the boot screen or drivers for Windows to select "Mac OS Volume from bootcam icon tray"
 
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ssls6

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Just do a BootROM dump. If you miss something, restore the dump.
Any links to the above mentioned procedure would be appreciated. The man pages on flashrom seem simple enough assuming I know the correct arguments.
 

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Apple is so full of s... If they create a problem they should provide a remedy. That is how it works. You can't say oh use these cards (officially supported, MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5, SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5) which have no efi and use the boot picker. What is more, now if you have GT-120+ RX580 it won't even let you boot to Mojave. It is a catch 22. So if MP6.1 is supported for bootcamp they should provide drivers to enable the boot screen or drivers for Windows to select "Mac OS Volume from bootcam icon tray"
Honestly, they're all workarounds in order to allow the latest macOS to run on our incredibly old Macs. They didn't have to support it so I'm more than happy to jump through a few hoops in order to make it work.
Which other 2010 Macs work in Mojave? Oh, that's right, none.
 
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h9826790

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Apple is so full of s... If they create a problem they should provide a remedy. That is how it works. You can't say oh use these cards (officially supported, MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5, SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5) which have no efi and use the boot picker. What is more, now if you have GT-120+ RX580 it won't even let you boot to Mojave. It is a catch 22. So if MP6.1 is supported for bootcamp they should provide drivers to enable the boot screen or drivers for Windows to select "Mac OS Volume from bootcam icon tray"
Your GT120 + RX580 setup can’t boot 10.14?

AFAIK, only the installer won’t work, but once 10.14 is installed, GT120 can boot to desktop.
 

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Your GT120 + RX580 setup can’t boot 10.14?
I've not connected the GT 120 to the display, but mine won't either. I end up looking at a black screen.

If I use 'Remote Access' from my MacBook I can log in to the Mac Pro and see the files, indicating that it has completed boot, however if I try to share the screen I just see a grey screen with the Apple logo and the loading bar.

I tried the GT 120 in various PCI-e slots, but always the same results.
 

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Honestly, they're all workarounds in order to allow the latest macOS to run on our incredibly old Macs. They didn't have to support it so I'm more than happy to jump through a few hoops in order to make it work.
Which other 2010 Macs work in Mojave? Oh, that's right, none.
I am not saying they should provide support for bootcamp for mp51, because they didn't anounce it .but they say mp61's bootcamp is supported yet there is no solution for it .if they provide support for mp61 we can get a working solution for our beloved mp51.
 

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I've not connected the GT 120 to the display, but mine won't either. I end up looking at a black screen.

If I use 'Remote Access' from my MacBook I can log in to the Mac Pro and see the files, indicating that it has completed boot, however if I try to share the screen I just see a grey screen with the Apple logo and the loading bar.

I tried the GT 120 in various PCI-e slots, but always the same results.
Thanks for the info.

If this is the case, then may be Apple changed something on the final release.

The GT120 was able to boot to desktop in beta stage, but just no proper driver support.
 
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