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5 Things You Need to Know About M2 Pro and M2 Max
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Yeah, maybe you're right. It's just a bummer, I really loved the old design 🙁
16” M1 Max was £3299.
16” M2 Max £3749.
So a £450 price increase for 6GPU and 2 more efficiency cores.
16” M2 Max £3749.
So a £450 price increase for 6GPU and 2 more efficiency cores.
I had a 2019 i9 16" Pro up until a week ago. That thing loved to spin the fans up even just opening Safari. Start doing anything with even a little more power required and it would cook your legs.
Personally, for me I trust iOS sandboxing a lot better as I have my mac apps and safari plugins opened up beyond the app store. But I think more contextually we are not sitting all day in front of a powered on iphone staring at it doing work. If I click on a button by accident boom I just bought something.
I think what bothers me is I need to spend over 3k to get a machine to connect to 3 monitors. My 2019 16in MBP that cost $1999 can connect to 3 4k monitors at 60hz without a sweat. I don't use it all the time I mostly use dual but still would like the ability to without paying crazy prices. The only alternative would be to plug in 2 natively and connect the 3 using display link.
I've been confused about their Thunderbolt 4 devices not supporting 8k from the beginning. My understanding is that Thunderbolt 4 has to be fully compliant with USB4 and that USB4 has to be able to do 8k60 because it has to have DP alt mode 2.0 support. I guess not. Very weird that Apple's Thunderbolt 4 ports can't do it even with display stream compression. In the past they've always maxed out the capabilities of their ports even when it wasn't required. Why use Thunderbolt 4 in 2023 with 2016 display capabilities?
I would say earliest redesign based on the latest rumors is more likely 2025. 2024 is supposed to be an upgrade to the M3 chip on faster process which could be a big deal for performance and battery but will be largely just another chip swap.
2025's latest rumor says that's the year for possible touch screen support as well as OLED. Those are bigger changes so I think that's our first chance at a redesign.
I know it's quite trivial in the grand scheme of things, but:
- Tons More Transistors: Thanks to the use of second-generation 5nm process technology, the M2 Pro has 40 billion transistors, which is 20% more than the M1 Pro. With M2 Max, the jump is even bigger – its 67 billion transistors is 10 billion more than the number used in the M1 Max.
The M2 series is based on the A15 and one of the more interesting things about the A15 is that while it only had a marginal single and multi-core performance increases over the A14 on which the M1 is based, the efficiency cores are much faster, something like 25% or more faster at the same power consumption according to testing run on Anandtech, even though the performance cores were only 8% faster. This is part of the reason why the battery life on both the M2 Air and the M2 Pro/Max 14/16 is better despite having higher clock speeds. The efficiency cores can take on more work before the system has to power up one of the more energy-hungry performance cores, and with the M2 Pro and Max adding two additional efficiency cores this helps explain the large jump in battery life.
TSMC's 4P process is not 4nm, it's third generation 5nm.
It's simply Apple stating what their product is capable of out of the box, not what it can do if you buy 3rd party adapters. There are legal reasons for this.
I just ordered mine. I picked up the M1 Pro at Bestbuy last month but returned it today to get the M2 since it’s the same price plus I got a $100 Bestbuy gift card and free AppleCare since I have totaltech. I’m interested in how the battery will do, when I had the M1 Pro I was amazed how long the battery lasted.
Nvidia's 4000 series and AMD's Ryzen 7000 series are using N4, not N4P, and there's negligible benefit between N4 and N5P. Calling it a "lesser node" is a stretch. N4P is a further 5nm refinement that will allow 5nm designs to be further extended for added performance/efficiency benefits without the high cost TSMC is currently charging for N3 wafers. Apple is jumping straight to N3 with the A17 and (likely) M3 generations later this year.Key point is Apple's choice of TSMC N5P is a lesser node than N4P.
When I got home today, I found my good old MBP 16" 2021 sobbing in the corner. It said something about not wanting to charge. Ever. Just let the power run out and fall to sleep for good.
After a while, it managed to tell what was wrong. It said that as I have now found a better laptop, it does not want to compute anymore. It does not want to be between me and my new laptop. It does not want to be sold as a second-hand computer to some ignorant teen. It wants to do real work as all decent computers do. Office, video editing, coding, even shell scripts. If not that, then 'shutdown -h now'.
I told it to jump back onto my desk, start charging, and stop whining. I am not going to toss my old friend just because there is something marginally faster available. (What I did not tell it was that the day will come, eventually. With Apple's current development pace, though, it is not clear which one of us will retire sooner.)
After a while, it managed to tell what was wrong. It said that as I have now found a better laptop, it does not want to compute anymore. It does not want to be between me and my new laptop. It does not want to be sold as a second-hand computer to some ignorant teen. It wants to do real work as all decent computers do. Office, video editing, coding, even shell scripts. If not that, then 'shutdown -h now'.
I told it to jump back onto my desk, start charging, and stop whining. I am not going to toss my old friend just because there is something marginally faster available. (What I did not tell it was that the day will come, eventually. With Apple's current development pace, though, it is not clear which one of us will retire sooner.)
Kinda resembles the shell of the display if the luxo lamp iMac design.
Next iMac design will resemble the prior comment as well, consider an iMac Pro 30-32” with ProMotion and miniLED display, make the chin a removable soundbar.
I think it follows that they will upgrade the Studio to M2 Max and M2 "ultra" or something similar sometime in the year, probably at a much higher price difference from the mini, and perhaps this is what kills the Mac "pro" for good.
ECC memory on any of these? I suspect not, and that may be holding up an Apple Silicon Mac Pro.
96 GB of unprotected memory? No, thank you.
96 GB of unprotected memory? No, thank you.
Unless you need so much ram daily 24/7, paying for a VM with that RAM only when you need it is better.
Yes, I feel the same way, bought the MBP 16" M1Pro just over a year ago. It's currently outperforming most anything I do with it. Battery life is outstanding as well. Very happy owner. Maybe in later 2024 or early 2025, but they'll have to throw something more revolutionary in there to get me to buy another before then.