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tri3limited

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Customer (Jack Jones) 08/13/2008 06:58 AM
I am set to purchase an iMac but will have to get the ATi graphics card (believe me i don't want to!!) unless you can categorically, 100% confirm to me that the 8800GS card in the iMac's are not affected by the defective chip rumors.

A response in writing will really settle my concerns!


Hello Jack,

Thank you very much for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care.

I am Dileep; I will be assisting you in getting the information.

I understand that you wish to confirm, the GeForce 8800GS graphics card for iMAC computer, not affected with the defective chip.

The defective chip issue was only with the general laptops and not with iMAC computer. Hence, I would like to tell you that the defective chip issue is not with the GeForce chips in the iMAC computer.

Please feel free to contact us, if you have any questions.

Regards,
Dileep
NVIDIA Customer Care


Well it looks like good old Dileep has saved the day as far as my iMac purchase is concerned!

The best news is that if he or his company have lied to me, I have his word in writing that the 8800GS iMac graphics cards are 100% categorically confirmed as being unaffected... which means I can my money back if it ever is defective!!


EDIT: By the way - I don't hate ATi, I just put it as a little tempter into getting a good solution!
 
Wow! A follow up email from PR minutes later!

Hey Jak.

Thanks for your email.
First off - let me say that we take full responsibility for what happened and we fully stand behind our products and are cooperating with our partners to resolve the issue.

The potential problem stems from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of its previous generation GPU and MCP products used in notebook systems.

The issue is limited to a few notebook chips only; we have not seen and don't expect to see this issue on any NVIDIA based desktops

And remember, only a very small percentage of the notebook chips that have shipped are potentially affected and the problem depends on a combination of environmental conditions, configuration and usage model.

The systems vary depending on the notebook - so it's best to contact your OEM directly and discuss it with them.

We continue to work closely with our partners and have taken the necessary steps to ensure that all NVIDIA chips currently in production do not exhibit the problem.

I'm not sure if this helps - but please let me konw any specific questions i can answer to help in the forums.

Thanks Jak.

dp


Email from Derek Perez - Nvidia Public Relations Director
In all fairness the news is fairly good!



UPDATE:
Wow! Taking about Director of Public Relations for a reason!

no problem.
thanks for your help.
ping me if you have any other questions or need help.
hell - send me your address and ill ship ya a tshirt!
dp

I'll happily take all the freebies i can get!


UPDATE 2:
The Inquirer has been made aware of the situation and has been given relevant contacts for Nvidia so as to correct their articles where they find necessary. This has been acknowledged.

I'm currently attempting to get further information regarding the MacBook Pros... and hopefully another t-shirt :D
 
I sincerely hope this is accurate, and that other, newer nVidia cards such as the mobile 9600 GT are not affected.

However, the 8600 GT does not seem to be isolated incidents.... many people on the forums are experiencing failure.
 
This is the key line for me;
"We continue to work closely with our partners and have taken the necessary steps to ensure that all NVIDIA chips currently in production do not exhibit the problem."

At worst we have a solid quote that can be used in our favour if your chips fry because of the defect.
 
Yes, please do try to get some information on the current model Macbook Pros. We haven't heard anything from nVidia or Apple about them aside from Steve Jobs saying "At this time we think they're fine," or somesuch, and any little bits of official words are better than none.
 
Well i'm still unsure of the exact MBP issues. Apple is yet to get back to me on that one, and i'm going to leave Nvidia alone until tomorrow (need to make sure he ships my t-shirt first!).

The MBP was the one that looked most likely to be stuck, but with the good news on the 8800GS, I feel that there's a fairly decent chance that, at worst, the current MBP chips have been rectified as Mr. Perez states that they have "taken the necessary steps to ensure that all NVIDIA chips currently in production do not exhibit the problem."

There's a reasonably good chance that this could include the MBP. Although until i hear otherwise, this still amounts to speculation.
 
Ok...well I have a MacBook Pro and it would be great if Apple created a program for us 8600 users...just give us a dates of affected machines.
 
Ok...well I have a MacBook Pro and it would be great if Apple created a program for us 8600 users...just give us a dates of affected machines.

I'm kinda hoping mine's outta the danger zone since it's purchased over 12 months ago... let hope we hear something soon, I don't wanna be stuck with a time bomb should the rumours be true!
 
Update

I've gotten in touch with the Nvidia PR again today, with regards to the 8600M GT card currently residing in MacBook Pros.

As he stated that current chips in production have no defects I think it's fair to say that current MacBook Pros are fine, however to be sure I have asked him to confirm this.

I have also asked about any affected 8600M GT cards and whether he can tell me which batches were affected, if any, and how to identify these chips. I am also trying to obtain a time frame of when this problem existed.

I am still awaiting a response from the Apple camp... .... ..... I think it might be a long while with them!
 
I've gotten in touch with the Nvidia PR again today, with regards to the 8600M GT card currently residing in MacBook Pros.

Talking to a PR rep is a lot like talking to a sales rep. They are not going to undermine their products or make statements that will get them canned. Take anything PR says with a large grain of salt. NVidia is already in a heap of trouble over the self admitted large volume chip problems. I doubt you will hear anything bad from their end until somebody comes along and proves it to be fact.
 
I've gotten in touch with the Nvidia PR again today, with regards to the 8600M GT card currently residing in MacBook Pros.

As he stated that current chips in production have no defects I think it's fair to say that current MacBook Pros are fine, however to be sure I have asked him to confirm this.

I have also asked about any affected 8600M GT cards and whether he can tell me which batches were affected, if any, and how to identify these chips. I am also trying to obtain a time frame of when this problem existed.

I am still awaiting a response from the Apple camp... .... ..... I think it might be a long while with them!

This cant be right. Current MBP are failing with a slightly lower rate than the older ones (dubbed the Santa Rosa).
 
Well this is my first post and have been in the market for a MBP to switch from Dell/Windows and recently discovered this site. The nvidia issue is concerning. I want to take advantage of the education promos out now, but if it means getting a bum video card - that is not worth it.

I called Apple sales last night and asked them if the video cards in the MBP were affected by the recent nvidia defects. The sales person told me they were not aware of any issues with nvidia cards or the MBPs. He said that the MBP is a fine machine and if anything were to pop up, Apple's great warranty would cover any problems. I explained that I did not want to end up with a laptop that would be in warranty repair for known defective parts. He reiterated that they were not aware of any problem and that I would need to contact nvidia for more information. I asked to be transfered to a tech and he said he would, but when he did, a message came on saying "You have reached Apple outside of our normal business hours" and I got hung up on (nice first time call to Apple eh?).

I took the time to contact nvidia tech support today to see if I could get any information. The first tech I was transferred to simply read from his script, stating that "we do not have a list of the specific chips that were affected and that the laptop manufacturers were informed of what issues were in which cards". I then stated the obvious - "so you have a list" and after directing me to the nvidia support site to pull up knowledge base article "2214", which basically states to contact your laptop manufacturer, I explained to him that I already tried that.

I said I felt like a ping pong ball in this mess and all I want to do is buy a laptop, but when asked if my laptop will contain an affected GPU, all Apple will say is I need to call nvidia and nvidia says I have to call Apple.

Once he realized I was not hanging up until I got a straight answer, he asked me to hold while he got his supervisor. Once his supervisor got on the phone, I explained the whole thing again. He apologized for the back and forth and finally provided some useful information.

He said that the graphics cards being used right now have been corrected. He said that as of July of 2008, the cards being used are all fine. He did say that cards made prior to this date would have been affected. However, he said that if I am buying a MBP now, it should be fine as long as it was manufactured AFTER June of this year.

He then told me to contact Apple again, but make sure to ask for a senior technician to verify the MBP I am ordering was made after June.

So here I sit debating whether to believe any of this and take advantage of the education promos or wait and see if Apple will release a new MBP in the next month {sigh}.
 
I still have a bad feeling that £600 is going to be leaving my bank account on a new logic board. I will fight for it but its not looking pretty at the moment. Touch wood and send up a prayer, hoping for the best...
 
I'm kinda hoping mine's outta the danger zone since it's purchased over 12 months ago... let hope we hear something soon, I don't wanna be stuck with a time bomb should the rumours be true!

The mobile nVidia 8800GS parts in question were introduced in the late-2008 iMac and therefore were not available for purchase over a year ago. :p

If you are referring to the 8800 GT in your Mac Pro (from your signature) then you should know that the failure in question was apparently limited to notebook parts only as repeatedly mentioned.
 
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