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6 Months later.... and Aperture is still dead

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Reminds me of the old SNL bits on Generalissimo Fransisco Franco.

http://youtu.be/butZyxI-PRs

It has been exactly 6 months today since Apple pulled the plug and killed Aperture (and iPhoto) after a loooooong period of decay and neglect, and Photos OS X is still completely AWOL. This is easily, hands down the worse SW transition in the last 10 years... and they have really screwed the pooch on some other occasions, so that's not something I say lightly.

Any pro-ish to pro photographer still willing to give Apple the benefit of doubt?

RIP Aperture, you were a beautiful app at one point, even now with lots of missing functionality I still wish Adobe would ravage your corpse and steal the awesome GUI and workflow and create a much better and not only more powerful LR.
 
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colorspace said:
Reminds me of the old SNL bits on Generalissimo Fransisco Franco.

It has been exactly 6 months today since Apple pulled the plug and killed Aperture (and iPhoto) after a loooooong period of decay and neglect, and Photos OS X is still completely AWOL. This is easily, hands down the worse SW transition in the last 10 years... and they have really screwed the pooch on some other occasions, so that's not something I say lightly.

Any pro-ish to pro photographer still willing to give Apple the benefit of doubt?

RIP Aperture, you were a beautiful app at one point, even now with lots of missing functionality I still wish Adobe would ravage your corpse and steal the awesome GUI and workflow and create a much better and not only more powerful LR.
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I still prefer Aperture over Lightroom (and the alternatives) for a host of reasons. However, its a real drag that they cut off Raw Camera Updates for all but Yosemite. I have some machines that don't upgrade because I need stability. Stable seems to be lost on Apple these days. I was hoping to keep Aperture alive for a couple more years, that's not unreasonable for a production application.

Apple Photos will be crap, that's a safe bet. Look at iWork, Final Cut, etc etc, all dumbed down.

The upcoming Lightroom 6 is supporting back to Mac OS 10.8 and looks to be a standalone application, that'll probably be the best solution moving forward.
 
colorspace said:
It has been exactly 6 months today since Apple pulled the plug and killed Aperture
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Mine still works fine. I suspect Apple will allow a full OSX version overlap between the two, if Photos comes in 10.11 then I expect Aperture support will be in 10.11 too.

This isn't what Apple have stated so far but I find it inconceivable that an OS version boundary would have only Aperture on one side and only Photos on the other. That isn't any way to make a migration of the iPhoto and Aperture library to Photos possible - which Apple have stated will be possible.

So as time goes on I am looking forward to another full OS X year/version of Aperture compatibility.
 
I'll type this slowly so it's easier to understand. :eek:

When Craig Federighi demo'd Photos for Mac at WWDC, he noted it would be available "early 2015". He didn't give any specific dates. "Early 2015" could mean the first week, the first month, or the first quarter.

Although I'm just a serious amateur photographer, I switched to Lr and PS CC long before Apple even announced Aperture would no longer be developed. While I preferred Aperture's organization, I was able to pull out more detail and get better noise reduction in Lr.
 
colorspace said:
It has been exactly 6 months today since Apple pulled the plug and killed Aperture (and iPhoto) after a loooooong period of decay and neglect, and Photos OS X is still completely AWOL. This is easily, hands down the worse SW transition in the last 10 years... and they have really screwed the pooch on some other occasions, so that's not something I say lightly.
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Oh, silly boy, don't you know you're supposed to edit all your DSLR 34 megapixels RAW photos on your iPhone? Sheesh, computers are soooooooo 2000.

/sarcasm
 
[[ 6 Months later.... and Aperture is still dead ]]

Sumthin's funny, because Aperture is still alive 'n' kickin' on my Mac!
 
Fishrrman said:
[[ 6 Months later.... and Aperture is still dead ]]

Sumthin's funny, because Aperture is still alive 'n' kickin' on my Mac!
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Yeah, sorta of an undead zombie more likely :eek: I'm sure lots of people will continue to use it, maybe even instead of Photos, which might be a dog by comparison. Some people still use Bento and other dead applications (me too; I occasionally fire up Canvas).

But the OP's point, that Apple has gone half a year without a current photo application, is kinda bizarre. What, they don't have enough money to hire some staff? They can't get their cloud to work? But hey, they took more than six months longer than any other developer to support my camera's (Oly) RAWs, so perhaps there really are only two guys toiling away at this in Cupertino.
 
An individual camera model is almost end-of-life when you buy it, with the exception of some high end models that may receive 1-2 updates in their life at most, the camera's capabilities are frozen at the time of purchase.

My D300 is now what, 6-7yr old technology, I am still pleased with the images it creates. No point in my getting all out of whack because the imaging software I use isn't being functionally updated any longer when it meets my needs. When I'm ready to move and see the need, I'll move once I have seen what is available at that point, then decide where to invest my time and $$$.....just my view...
 
I'm just an enthusiast who hasn't been engaging in photography all that heavily lately. I still use Aperture, but the writing is on the wall: Aperture is over. I'm willing to give Photos a look-over to see if it can really act as an Aperture replacement, but I don't expect it to.

Last I'd read, Adobe is set to announce Lightroom 6 some time this spring. When Aperture's end was announced, Adobe assembled some things to help Aperture users transition over to Lightroom. It seems like perfect timing. Once Lightroom 6 comes out, I'll probably make the move.
 
Grumble.

I guess I'm going to lightroom as soon as the next version comes out because the headaches I'm having with iPhoto and .NEF/RAW reading it's just made me want to throw up my hands and sell my camera and computer gear and forget it all. Ugh.

Oh and this article came out yesterday:
http://mashable.com/2015/01/28/apple-photos-app-os-x-delayed/

Interesting eh? What happened there? Harder to put together than anticipated?

Meanwhile, 9to5Mac reports the app is still "on track" to be released by the end of April — the same month in which the company is set to release the Apple Watch.

A help article on Apple's support page simply says "the Photos app for Mac will be available at a later date."
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They'd better hurry. Next version of Lightroom is slated to be released in March I believe.

I realize, different markets but man. Ugh.
 
aliensporebomb said:
I guess I'm going to lightroom as soon as the next version comes out because the headaches I'm having with iPhoto and .NEF/RAW reading it's just made me want to throw up my hands and sell my camera and computer gear and forget it all. Ugh.

Oh and this article came out yesterday:
http://mashable.com/2015/01/28/apple-photos-app-os-x-delayed/

Interesting eh? What happened there? Harder to put together than anticipated?



They'd better hurry. Next version of Lightroom is slated to be released in March I believe.

I realize, different markets but man. Ugh.
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Look how long it was that Aperture languished before they even made the announcement they were moving to something else.

But you're right. It probably was "harder to put together"...for the Apple Watch. :eek:
 
colorspace said:
This is easily, hands down the worse SW transition in the last 10 years...
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It took Apple three years to come up with an OS X version of iBooks. Siri is at three years without a whisper of Mac availability. Photos for OS X 10.14 may come along in 2018.
 
robgendreau said:
Look how long it was that Aperture languished before they even made the announcement they were moving to something else.
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You know I keep hearing these comments about how Aperture was falling behind, and its just not true.

I run both Aperture and Lightroom rather extensively and Aperture is far better integrated with the Mac (obviously) but they also are far better integrated with the publishers, namely Flickr, Facebook, SmugMug.

The only thing Lightroom does that Aperture doesn't is lens correction.

Aperture is way faster at just about everything, export on Lightroom is not only clunky to setup its slow. It takes Lightroom two hours to build previews, same library Aperture is done as fast as you can scroll. The auto exposure in Lightroom never gets it right as opposed to Aperture.

So at the end of the day Aperture was not killed for performance, it does 99% of what any photographer wants. It was killed because Photos is designed to store in the cloud and wrangle monthly fees from its users. It was purely a financial decision, and its being sold as newer/better.

Sorry to beat up on Adobe so much but its been the only real competitor, and now the only player I guess.
 
joedec said:
So at the end of the day Aperture was not killed for performance, it does 99% of what any photographer wants. It was killed because Photos is designed to store in the cloud and wrangle monthly fees from its users. It was purely a financial decision, and its being sold as newer/better.

Sorry to beat up on Adobe so much but its been the only real competitor, and now the only player I guess.
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Agreed

joedec said:
You know I keep hearing these comments about how Aperture was falling behind, and its just not true.

I run both Aperture and Lightroom rather extensively and Aperture is far better integrated with the Mac (obviously) but they also are far better integrated with the publishers, namely Flickr, Facebook, SmugMug.

The only thing Lightroom does that Aperture doesn't is lens correction.
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Yes, Aperture is clearly faster than LR5... from what I remember LR4 was not as bad. But, lens correction is not a trivial feature. After quite a bit of testing I can say that RAW develop, especially noise reduction is MUCH better in LR5. Of course that does not mean that Adobe has to make anything a pleasure to use.
 
colorspace said:
Yes, Aperture is clearly faster than LR5... from what I remember LR4 was not as bad. But, lens correction is not a trivial feature. After quite a bit of testing I can say that RAW develop, especially noise reduction is MUCH better in LR5. Of course that does not mean that Adobe has to make anything a pleasure to use.
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One of the promises for LR6 is 64bit and performance improvements. I know what you mean about the LR developer, it is very good, don't get me wrong. The thing is I rarely have photos that need that much work. I tend to put more effort into each shot in the field.

I am going to miss Aperture more than just the UI. However I understand the reality, therefore I have transitioned to LR5 and am running in parallel. At some point I imagine I'll drop the Aperture.

So I know anything will be better than Photos. Apple is coming from a place very different than Aperture or Lightroom. Using keywords, libraries, all that is lost on most users. Apple will organize for you by place and date, like the iPhone and the majority of people will be happy. Give them automatic corrections, that's it.

For people who have schemes developed to manage very large amounts of photos, that won't be a viable solution, the way I see it.

I am keeping my fingers crossed LR6 will be sold standalone, I don't care for subscriptions, so far it looks like it will.
 
joedec said:
You know I keep hearing these comments about how Aperture was falling behind, and its just not true.
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The bigger problem is that it sounds as though the new Photos app will be somewhere in between iPhoto and Aperture. My fear is that Apple will do to Photos what it did to Pages, Numbers and Keynote, which are still not anywhere near as good as the iWork 09 suite. All in the name of merging OS X to iOS. That's the real tragedy.
 
joedec said:
The only thing Lightroom does that Aperture doesn't is lens correction.
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There's more to LR then Aperture. Apple basically stopped adding features to Aperture where as Adobe continued to improve Lightroom.

I like Aperture but given Apple's non-improvement, I've given up on it.

DJEmergency said:
I never used anything besides Photoshop for editing photos. So I'm not sure of anything else..
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What Lightroom (and Aperture) bring to the table is Non destructive edits - something that PS doesn't do, and its DAM capability - managing the photos.
 
maflynn said:
There's more to LR then Aperture. Apple basically stopped adding features to Aperture where as Adobe continued to improve Lightroom.

I like Aperture but given Apple's non-improvement, I've given up on it.



What Lightroom (and Aperture) bring to the table is Non destructive edits - something that PS doesn't do, and its DAM capability - managing the photos.
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The only thing I find with LR is greater professional support, in the industry Adobe is much more prominent so finding resources for LR is easy.

However, I think a lot of software has peaked technologically, Aperture was good enough, and pretty good at that. We, the consumer, have an insatiable desire for newer, better, and more.

Its the Michelangelo story, he could have continued for years, tweaking the shades and colors, but he declared it done, and its a masterpiece.

I do this personal poll where I ask people, what new feature do you want for your smart phone? Technical or nontechnical people, I get the same answers almost every time. Nothing, easier to use, or better battery life. Technologically its done.
 
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