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60D announced, along with some new L lenses.
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Wow. Just wow. Canon really screws its users over. (I'm not trying to start a flame war, I really feel for the Canon users.) I hope Nikon doesn't take a page out of Canon's book …
Hm, interesting. Nice to see a new 300 and 400 prime, and the 8-15 just looks weird and rather specialist - I'll stick with my 15mm fisheye! The issue of prices is an old one, and the street price will always drop after the first round or two of purchasers have gotten theirs.
The 70-300 is possibly the oddest of the bunch though - I wonder how much they'll be asking for over the 70-300 IS?
The 70-300 is possibly the oddest of the bunch though - I wonder how much they'll be asking for over the 70-300 IS?
60D body only will be £1099.99 RRP and launched in September, according to TrustedReviews
Not sure what the benefit of this is over the 550D... ok, you get the swivel lcd and more robust body... i'd rather just stump up for the 7D then.. amazon uk are selling it for the same price (body only, £1100)
What are your opinions?
550D vs 60D vs 7D?
Not sure what the benefit of this is over the 550D... ok, you get the swivel lcd and more robust body... i'd rather just stump up for the 7D then.. amazon uk are selling it for the same price (body only, £1100)
What are your opinions?
550D vs 60D vs 7D?
The 60D is an upgrade for 550D owners rather than 50D owners. If you currently own a 40D or 50D, is the 60D an enticing upgrade? Price-wise, if the quoted price is correct, the 60D doesn't seem like a good deal compared its predecessor. In my opinion, it isn't.
It has less features than its predecessor for one:
- made of plastic instead of metal
- slower fps (5.3 instead of 6.3) and smaller buffer than the 50D
- uses SD cards (so if you're upgrading from a x0D, you have to sell your compact flash cards
It's a camera driven by marchitecture, more of an upgraded 550D than an upgrade to the 50D. They had to cripple the features in order to be able to sell it alongside the 7D. That's an attitude that bugs me.
I suspect you'd be less bothered if they had just named the camera something else. Obviously anyone who really needs more camera than the 50D can step up to the 7D. The 60D slots in logically in price and features between the 550D and the 7D.
As for the lenses, I'm disappointed that the people who say there will never be a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS seem to be right. All of those rumors about it, and yet again, it remains a "unicorn."
It isn't rectilinear. It's being marketed as the direct replacement for the 15/2.8 fisheye. On a FF body it will produce circular (!) images at the 8mm end, and then normal 180 FoV fisheye views at the 15mm end. If you want rectilinear, you still need the 14mm.
Considering it's only f/4, and will cost way more than the 15mm f/2.8 I'm less impressed. Plus circular images!?
So they just wanted to make a lens the will work on both ff and crop but will end up being slower than if they had an 8mm and a 15mm both at f/2.8.
Sounds like they're just thinking about their bottom line
Sounds like they're just thinking about their bottom line
I was only expecting the big primes - we've got the 2012 Olympics round the corner, and new high-end primes are more important than a 24-70 IS at this point. I don't doubt they'll do one, but I think Canon did the right thing by fixing the telephoto end of the market as a priority.
So they just wanted to make a lens the will work on both ff and crop but will end up being slower than if they had an 8mm and a 15mm both at f/2.8.
Sounds like they're just thinking about their bottom line
Working well on both systems is a plus, and cheaper than buying two lenses (8mm and a 15mm) and saves space in a bag. I would consider one if I was buying a fisheye for the first time, but as an upgrade route it isn't appealing. Prices need confirming though...
You've gotta hand it to them, great marketing / product placement:
It's encouraging existing xxxD owners to upgrade to 60D, while existing xxD owners to upgrade to 7D (who could consider the 60D a downgrade), moving users up the chain either way.
No, I'd still be bothered by it. In my opinion, Canon has one camera too many in its line-up: I'd have gotten rid of the current 550D instead and called the 60D an upgrade to the 550D. I don't see it as a camera that fills a gap in Canon's line-up.
1000D < `600D'/60D < 7D , 5D Mk. II (they are too different to be compared) < 1D(s) series
Calling it the `600D' is just a consequence of Canon's marketing: I know that the actual name isn't really important, but the double-digit designation suggests it's a semiprofessional Canon body.
8-15??? Why??? Seems to be a pretty limited market for this thing .
300 and 400 , let's see what extortionate sum they demand for these 2. Out of my league but the sports photogs will probably grab these (Hey, its a business expense)
New extenders ... Huh!!?? are they really better or just marketing hype?
70-300 ... Might be interested in this as a travel lens . Looks to be pretty small,though it extends. Maybe kinda heavy... but lets see what the bottom line is as to price.
60D , they'll sell a zillion of them once the 50D is gone.
Was hoping for redone 35/2 with usm and 100-400 , oh well...
300 and 400 , let's see what extortionate sum they demand for these 2. Out of my league but the sports photogs will probably grab these (Hey, its a business expense)
New extenders ... Huh!!?? are they really better or just marketing hype?
70-300 ... Might be interested in this as a travel lens . Looks to be pretty small,though it extends. Maybe kinda heavy... but lets see what the bottom line is as to price.
60D , they'll sell a zillion of them once the 50D is gone.
Was hoping for redone 35/2 with usm and 100-400 , oh well...
Limited market but the original 15mm is 20 years old.
The mk II was better than the mk I so hopefully not hype
Not really interested in this to be honest, if it was a fixed aperture then yes it could be interesting.
Given the prices they are asking (particularly for the lenses), I would say Canon is taking a page from Nikon's book. Some of it is probably attributable to FOREX, but yikes.
On the other hand, I think Nikon is already taking a (good) page from Canon's book with their new f/4 lenses. That's always been a hole in Nikon's lens offering. I admire Canon and Sony's ability to use their ability to understand consumer markets (think about all the other "stuff" they sell aside from cameras). I think Nikon is starting to catch on.
The Canon 14mm L doesn't look to have a challenger. I much prefer it over fisheyes.
Like a hot brunette wearing only her panties, this lens I lust after.
Like a hot brunette wearing only her panties, this lens I lust after.
I work for Japanese auto OE, and FOREX is hammering us, so Canon's pricing is not just today price point but 1-2 year future FOREX projection as well.
Sucks as a consumer, as business person I can see their ROI sheet clearly.
With that said, I may be looking at the now obsolete 70-300 $529 as upgrade to my 55-250 IS kit lens.
$1.5k is too steep for the new 70-300L, and the 100-400L @ $1.6kis pricey/heavy beast......
If the new 70-300L was $1k-ish I'd jump on it.
I do not want to make this into a Canon vs. Nikon debate. Let me say this: I don't think Nikon is screwing as much with their high-end customers (all semi-pro to pro bodies use variants of the same AF system, are fast and not crippled in any obvious way), they're screwing a little more on the low end -- most notably by omitting a focus motor in the low-end models and disabling some metering functions for AI-S lenses (which doesn't affect the majority of people who buy one or two cheap consumer-grade lenses, but people like me).
Canon, on the other hand, has been screwing with their pro-line up. I've met an enthusiastic amateur who has invested a 5 digit amount into Canon gear and we've had the chance to discuss a fair amount (we've been at a conference in the French alps). He's very frustrated he cannot upgrade his 5D Mark I, because Canon has decided not to upgrade the AF system on the Mark II among other things.
(On a happier note, I got to play with his lenses for a bit, among others, he owns the 35 mm f/1.4 and the 85 mm f/1.2: very impressive.)
If they had made a 5Ds (= 5D Mark II + state-of-the-art AF system) and an almost identical 5D which packs a lower-res sensor that is geared for speed (other than the sensor, these cameras would be identical), Canon would have a kick-ass line-up.
As far as I remember, Nikon has recently released only two f/4 lenses recently and only one of them is `new:' the 16-35 mm and the 24-120 mm. The latter is the third incarnation. However, I appreciate that both are built more solidly (the previous 24-120 mm was optically ok and made of quality plastic rather than metal).
Remember, we don't know what the actual prices will be. Usually they are several hundy less than what Canon lists them on their website.
The 60D seems to be at Rebel owners' wanting to upgrade. It STILL has the 9 point AF. I am not a fan of the swivel screen, but then again, I use the viewfinder. I guess for video (as this is clearly aimed at) that would be useful.
Wonder if we will see a 7DMk2 or 9D or 3D this year. The 1Ds4 should be announced soon.
The 60D seems to be at Rebel owners' wanting to upgrade. It STILL has the 9 point AF. I am not a fan of the swivel screen, but then again, I use the viewfinder. I guess for video (as this is clearly aimed at) that would be useful.
Wonder if we will see a 7DMk2 or 9D or 3D this year. The 1Ds4 should be announced soon.
I am waiting to see if Nikon releases the replacement D90/D300 in a couple of weeks. If nikonrumors.com is right this camera will beat all others at this price point (1000-1200). I will buy then if the specs are correct.
Overall, pretty disappointing announcements. I realize telephoto enthusiasts love the new set of lenses, but Canon is falling behind Nikon when it comes to more conventional focal length.
60D is more or less expected (I agree with others that 7D is what 40D/50D users should be upgrading to), although Canon is really clouding the lineup by keeping older models in production.
Entry level: XS/1000D ($550 with kit lens)
Mid range: T2i/550D ($900 with kit lens); T1i/500D ($800 with kit lens) and XSi/450D ($650 with kit lens) still on Canon's lineup
Prosumer: 60D ($1100); 50D ($1100) is still on Canon's lineup
High-end (APS-C): 7D ($1700)
High-end (full frame): 5D II ($2500)
Flag ship (APS-H): 1D IV ($5000); 1D III ($4000) still on Canon's lineup
Flag ship (full frame): 1Ds III ($7000)
60D is more or less expected (I agree with others that 7D is what 40D/50D users should be upgrading to), although Canon is really clouding the lineup by keeping older models in production.
Entry level: XS/1000D ($550 with kit lens)
Mid range: T2i/550D ($900 with kit lens); T1i/500D ($800 with kit lens) and XSi/450D ($650 with kit lens) still on Canon's lineup
Prosumer: 60D ($1100); 50D ($1100) is still on Canon's lineup
High-end (APS-C): 7D ($1700)
High-end (full frame): 5D II ($2500)
Flag ship (APS-H): 1D IV ($5000); 1D III ($4000) still on Canon's lineup
Flag ship (full frame): 1Ds III ($7000)
I would like to see Canon create a 30mm f1.4 L IS USM lens. It shouldn't be hard since all optical designs are created by computers.