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650m and Iris Pro too weak for Retina?

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Seems people are playing games at non-retina resolution with the 650m. Since the Iris Pro performs worse in games than the 650m, Haswell rMBP won't offer Retina gaming also?

In March 2014, NVIDIA is releasing Maxwell which is 2 times faster per watt than the current 750m card. So from that perspective, at March 2014 will GPU's be available that allows Retina gaming?
 
Maybe...but depends of the games...i think a Battlefield 5 in 2015...it will struggle on that resolution even with the latest maxwell dgpu
 
According to the reviews, Iris Pro permits reasonable frame rates at 1080p with most games. The 15" rMBP's native resolution of 2880x1800 has nearly three times as many pixels as 1080p, so I would not expect either a 650m or Iris Pro (which are not dramatically different from each other in performance) to yield acceptable frame rates for most (if any) games at 2880x1800.

Gaming will probably be limited to 1080p for the Haswell rMBP (13" or 15") just at it was for the 15" Ivy Bridge rMBP (the 13" Ivy Bridge rMBP reportedly was effectively limited to 720p for most games). I guess the 2014 Broadwell rMBPs will probably exceed 1080p for gaming, but probably not all the way up to Retina resolution.
 
nothing aside high end desktop gpus can offer that power, and sometimes depending on the game it won't be a good show. off course that is still tested on 1440p, which is still much less than the retina res of the 15"

just check benchies for 1440p, its not pretty most of the time
 
Gaming in 2880x1800. Yep, too weak (even workstation graphics would struggle in some games at that resolution!). Just game in 1440x900 resolution. It'll be fine.

But for normal usage, it's powerful enough. You can easily run a 27" cinema display (2560x1440) off a 2009 MBP without lag. 1280x800+2560x1440. That's more pixels than the retina display.

So the UI lag is more of the software not ready for retina yet. Will be better with Mavericks, and as developers are fine-tuning their software for retina :)
 
mcarling said:
According to the reviews, Iris Pro permits reasonable frame rates at 1080p with most games.
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You mean 720p ;) It is already below reasonable frame rates for modern games using the 1680x1050 resolution.
 
Serban said:
so bottom line the razer blade is better build for gaming
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If you set the ingame resolution to the kind the razer blade uses, you get also get the performance benefits of lower res and it won't look any worse.
The Razer is still better because it has a 765M which is quite a lot better than anything in the rMBP. But just concerning res a high res screen is actually really good. You can interpolate to almost any res you like and since it is so high res you probably will never notice artifacts or bad blurriness because of scaling. You almost get the freedoms of CRT resolution back.
Just because you have a very high res doesn't mean you must use it in gaming. Even Desktops unless they are high end struggle at such a res. A notebook that uses less than a quarter the power just isn't there yet. Retina was for sharp text and photos and other 2D stuff. Movies in 4K are virtually inexistent and gaming on that res was obviously not an option unless the games really aren't very demanding at all.
 
leman said:
You mean 720p ;) It is already below reasonable frame rates for modern games using the 1680x1050 resolution.
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No, I mean 1080p. That's what the reviews say. How many games have you played using Iris Pro HD graphics?
 
mcarling said:
No, I mean 1080p. That's what the reviews say. How many games have you played using Iris Pro HD graphics?
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None. And the AnandTech benchmarks clearly show Iris Pro (the 55W part) struggling with Battlefield 3 and the like at resolutions above 1336x768
 
mcarling said:
No, I mean 1080p. That's what the reviews say. How many games have you played using Iris Pro HD graphics?
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Mind citing which review says Iris Pro provides "reasonable" framerate at 1080p? Most I have seen is reasonable at 1366x768 and below.
 
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