650m and Iris Pro too weak for Retina?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by UBS28, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. UBS28 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 2, 2012
    Seems people are playing games at non-retina resolution with the 650m. Since the Iris Pro performs worse in games than the 650m, Haswell rMBP won't offer Retina gaming also?

    In March 2014, NVIDIA is releasing Maxwell which is 2 times faster per watt than the current 750m card. So from that perspective, at March 2014 will GPU's be available that allows Retina gaming?
  2. Serban Suspended

    Jan 8, 2013
    Maybe...but depends of the games...i think a Battlefield 5 in 2015...it will struggle on that resolution even with the latest maxwell dgpu
  3. Zeov macrumors 6502a


    Apr 1, 2011
  4. mcarling macrumors 65816

    Oct 22, 2009
    According to the reviews, Iris Pro permits reasonable frame rates at 1080p with most games. The 15" rMBP's native resolution of 2880x1800 has nearly three times as many pixels as 1080p, so I would not expect either a 650m or Iris Pro (which are not dramatically different from each other in performance) to yield acceptable frame rates for most (if any) games at 2880x1800.

    Gaming will probably be limited to 1080p for the Haswell rMBP (13" or 15") just at it was for the 15" Ivy Bridge rMBP (the 13" Ivy Bridge rMBP reportedly was effectively limited to 720p for most games). I guess the 2014 Broadwell rMBPs will probably exceed 1080p for gaming, but probably not all the way up to Retina resolution.
  5. Mr MM macrumors 65816

    Mr MM

    Jun 29, 2011
    nothing aside high end desktop gpus can offer that power, and sometimes depending on the game it won't be a good show. off course that is still tested on 1440p, which is still much less than the retina res of the 15"

    just check benchies for 1440p, its not pretty most of the time
  6. jafingi macrumors 65816


    Apr 3, 2009
    Gaming in 2880x1800. Yep, too weak (even workstation graphics would struggle in some games at that resolution!). Just game in 1440x900 resolution. It'll be fine.

    But for normal usage, it's powerful enough. You can easily run a 27" cinema display (2560x1440) off a 2009 MBP without lag. 1280x800+2560x1440. That's more pixels than the retina display.

    So the UI lag is more of the software not ready for retina yet. Will be better with Mavericks, and as developers are fine-tuning their software for retina :)
  7. leman macrumors G3

    Oct 14, 2008
    You mean 720p ;) It is already below reasonable frame rates for modern games using the 1680x1050 resolution.
  8. MathBunny123 macrumors regular

    Oct 19, 2012
    Toronto, Canada | Sibiu, Romania
    I can actually play some games like NFS Hot Pursuit in 2880x1800 already with 30FPS...while some games don't work as you state.

    However, Apple doesn't care about that front.
  9. Serban Suspended

    Jan 8, 2013
    so bottom line the razer blade is better build for gaming
  10. PDFierro macrumors 68040

    Sep 8, 2009
    Well a gamer's first choice is never going to be a Mac.
  11. GSPice macrumors 68000


    Nov 24, 2008
    Yup and yup. Retina resolution =/= good game time
  12. dusk007 macrumors 68040


    Dec 5, 2009
    If you set the ingame resolution to the kind the razer blade uses, you get also get the performance benefits of lower res and it won't look any worse.
    The Razer is still better because it has a 765M which is quite a lot better than anything in the rMBP. But just concerning res a high res screen is actually really good. You can interpolate to almost any res you like and since it is so high res you probably will never notice artifacts or bad blurriness because of scaling. You almost get the freedoms of CRT resolution back.
    Just because you have a very high res doesn't mean you must use it in gaming. Even Desktops unless they are high end struggle at such a res. A notebook that uses less than a quarter the power just isn't there yet. Retina was for sharp text and photos and other 2D stuff. Movies in 4K are virtually inexistent and gaming on that res was obviously not an option unless the games really aren't very demanding at all.
  13. mcarling macrumors 65816

    Oct 22, 2009
    No, I mean 1080p. That's what the reviews say. How many games have you played using Iris Pro HD graphics?
  14. leman macrumors G3

    Oct 14, 2008
    None. And the AnandTech benchmarks clearly show Iris Pro (the 55W part) struggling with Battlefield 3 and the like at resolutions above 1336x768
  15. bill-p macrumors 68000

    Jul 23, 2011
    Mind citing which review says Iris Pro provides "reasonable" framerate at 1080p? Most I have seen is reasonable at 1366x768 and below.
  16. sofianito macrumors 65816


    Jan 14, 2011
    nVidia and ATI did... Thumb down for Intel and Apple... :D

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