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Originally posted by jefhatfield
some posters even say don't get os x unless you have a g4 processor!

i don't know about that, but i have heard of people with half a gig of ram (in ibook) who don't like it running os x

dude are you blind? did you look at the osx comparison for the ibook versus the powerbook? i hate when people comment without reading the article. the ibook is left in the dust by the powerbook for simple desktop level tasks. seems pretty clear to me that one shouldnt get osx unless you have a g4. this article seems to be the best evidence of it we have been given to date.
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
(o and about the same drive... not so true, the powerbook uses a 5400rpm drive while the ibook uses a 4200rpm drive, may not sound like much but it makes a HUGE difference)

Yeah, I stand corrected. I thought they were using the same drives in both systems.
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon


dude are you blind? did you look at the osx comparison for the ibook versus the powerbook? i hate when people comment without reading the article. the ibook is left in the dust by the powerbook for simple desktop level tasks. seems pretty clear to me that one shouldnt get osx unless you have a g4. this article seems to be the best evidence of it we have been given to date.

actually, i am in total agreement with you, in the context of os x, and how the g4 is superior in speed

i only have a rev. a ibook so i am going to still stay with os 9 but i do hope to get a mac with a g4 processor so i too could move forward...someday
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon


dude are you blind? did you look at the osx comparison for the ibook versus the powerbook? i hate when people comment without reading the article. the ibook is left in the dust by the powerbook for simple desktop level tasks. seems pretty clear to me that one shouldnt get osx unless you have a g4. this article seems to be the best evidence of it we have been given to date.

Okay like that was a fair match up. Did you even notice that the PowerBook was running 512MB RAM and the iBook only had 128MB? Am I an idiot or doesn't that much more RAM help any system in OSX?

Overall the finder functions and program opening are not that much faster in OSX for the top of the line Powerbook. Yeah scrolling in word was bad on the iBook and it did take more time to move into the classic environment...but I still think if the iBook was packing the same 512MB that the TiBook was it would do better. Also the iBook has a slower HD which makes a hell of a difference. If the RAM was matched and the HD was matched...would the TiBook be that much better? Maybe a bit...but not living up to the claims that some people on here say...Like the people that try and tell me my iBook is a piece of crap and their TiBook is twice as fast...twice as fast at what? Maybe Photoshop...which I don't even use.

Now I was thinking...if the iBook was running the same 512 MB RAM as the TiBook...considering how close it ran to the TiBook in OS9 tests...I wonder if the outcome would have been changed.
 
I had a 250 meg doc open in photoshop 6 today on my G3 PB lombard (400mhz, 384 RAM, PS6 only had 100 megs of ram given to it too). at one point I was down from 1.6 gigs free to 20 megs free from scratch use. and the thing held up, even after slapping it closed, putting it to sleep, several times over the day with the file along with soundjam open in the background. was pretty quick too, at least faster than I thought it might be. all it takes is a little patience and your G3 will become a G4 with no extra cost :D :D
 
thats right! all you need is a little patience and your G3 will be just like a G4. that massive document will seem to open in a matter of seconds, but don't look at the clock. your fun will be ruined when you realise it took an hour!!! :p
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield
hey, like some of you rich or middle class kids living at home...buy both...really

when you get out on your own, you will see how hard that is to do and i miss those days when i was a kid and lived at home and got to play with the new toys (apple II+ and IIe) that my dad brought home...i didn't even have to ponder the price for a second
Why, when I was a boy, my parents could barely afford to keep me fed or to put shoes on my feet, much less buy me a computer! My brother and I had to trod 20 miles to school in 70-below-zero temperatures, through 3-foot-deep snow drifts and howling, typhoon-like winds! The trip was uphill, both ways, mind you, and we were without shoes or even coats to cover our backs! And we liked it. We loved it! The gangrene and tuberculosis that followed were not enough to dampen our spirits.

Why, I remember at Christmas, my brother and I would awaken early to discover we had each a ripe apple and four plump jelly-beans in our stockings! We had to work even on Christmas, though. We would chop fire-wood and clean the out-house, and after pa had slaughtered dinner, we would skin it and gut it. Ahh, those were the days! My brother and I were nary young muskrats, living hand-to-mouth, and we liked it. We loved it. We savored every gosh-darn minute of it!

Kids these days, I tell you, they don't know what it's like to have to break their backs for every nickel they earn. My first job was at the age of 13, loading hay onto the tractor for a fellow farmer of pa's. At the end of each day, this farmer would say, "Look here," and I would open my hand and into it would drop a shiny dime. "Now, you save this, you hear?" He would say. And I did just that. By the time I was 15, I had almost forty dollars all saved up. Kids these days, they can throw forty dollars around like they can a rusted bottle-cap, but I sure as sam-hill couldn't! I had to earn it! I had to work for it! And I liked it. I loved it. Kids these days, I tell you, they don't understand.

Alex (That's MISTER Alex to you, sonny)
 
Originally posted by alex_ant

Why, when I was a boy, my parents could barely afford to keep me fed or to put shoes on my feet, much less buy me a computer! My brother and I had to trod 20 miles to school in 70-below-zero temperatures, through 3-foot-deep snow drifts and howling, typhoon-like winds! The trip was uphill, both ways, mind you, and we were without shoes or even coats to cover our backs! And we liked it. We loved it! The gangrene and tuberculosis that followed were not enough to dampen our spirits.

Why, I remember at Christmas, my brother and I would awaken early to discover we had each a ripe apple and four plump jelly-beans in our stockings! We had to work even on Christmas, though. We would chop fire-wood and clean the out-house, and after pa had slaughtered dinner, we would skin it and gut it. Ahh, those were the days! My brother and I were nary young muskrats, living hand-to-mouth, and we liked it. We loved it. We savored every gosh-darn minute of it!

Kids these days, I tell you, they don't know what it's like to have to break their backs for every nickel they earn. My first job was at the age of 13, loading hay onto the tractor for a fellow farmer of pa's. At the end of each day, this farmer would say, "Look here," and I would open my hand and into it would drop a shiny dime. "Now, you save this, you hear?" He would say. And I did just that. By the time I was 15, I had almost forty dollars all saved up. Kids these days, they can throw forty dollars around like they can a rusted bottle-cap, but I sure as sam-hill couldn't! I had to earn it! I had to work for it! And I liked it. I loved it. Kids these days, I tell you, they don't understand.

Alex (That's MISTER Alex to you, sonny)



LOL. That is awesome. Jeff you are seriously condescending at times. Do me a favor and drop the superiority bit. Cool? You dont know who we are or what are circumstances are and it comes across as arrogant to me.
 
sure the comparisons would be ok for an average user, but someone should do some hard-core testing for those of us that need the extra speed and power.:D
 
Originally posted by buffsldr




LOL. That is awesome. Jeff you are seriously condescending at times. Do me a favor and drop the superiority bit. Cool? You dont know who we are or what are circumstances are and it comes across as arrogant to me.

sorry about that...i was once young, too;)

we don't get superior with our old age, we just have to visit the toilet more...sometimes getting older sucks...if i could trade places with some of the really young people here, i would do it in a second...so call me jealous if anything:p

note: if i get condescending enough and maybe even become a flame war poster, will i take over spikey's spot? actually i used to be the neutral one here two years ago but i love to pick on the eight year olds here who claim to be teens...he he...and i have acceess to a router and can trace anyone's packet/frame down their ip and mac address and find out who you really are...it's a trick one of the old posters here showed me (and it's not really considered hacking) but for the few here who REALLY know me, please don't tell anybody how OLD i really am...i hope you realize it's all in fun and i hope i didn't offend anybody
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield
i am glad that some of you on this board had to make some sacrifices and work for your tibook...that way you will appreciate it more

the g4s and p4s at the school i am at are abused because the students have no idea how much they cost and they figure it belongs to the school, so what the heck?

the computers are so abuased that the school has to purchase them which leaves them in debt for years so the next time they will be ready to buy new machines, there will be g7s and pentium 7s and the last two years of students will be using super antiquated gear

You're right about that. My school was using 5400 and 5500 PowerMacs for two years when I came into my school and they had been using them for 4 years before that.....Schools are so STUPID, they waste their money on textbooks when you can get ibooks/imacs and access so much more data-my school has no plan to sway from the old CRT iMacs, we have only 3 G4s in the whole school, and I HATE THIS PLACE!!!!
 
Originally posted by alex_ant

Why, when I was a boy, my parents could barely afford to keep me fed or to put shoes on my feet, much less buy me a computer! My brother and I had to trod 20 miles to school in 70-below-zero temperatures, through 3-foot-deep snow drifts and howling, typhoon-like winds! The trip was uphill, both ways, mind you, and we were without shoes or even coats to cover our backs! And we liked it. We loved it! The gangrene and tuberculosis that followed were not enough to dampen our spirits.

Why, I remember at Christmas, my brother and I would awaken early to discover we had each a ripe apple and four plump jelly-beans in our stockings! We had to work even on Christmas, though. We would chop fire-wood and clean the out-house, and after pa had slaughtered dinner, we would skin it and gut it. Ahh, those were the days! My brother and I were nary young muskrats, living hand-to-mouth, and we liked it. We loved it. We savored every gosh-darn minute of it!

Kids these days, I tell you, they don't know what it's like to have to break their backs for every nickel they earn. My first job was at the age of 13, loading hay onto the tractor for a fellow farmer of pa's. At the end of each day, this farmer would say, "Look here," and I would open my hand and into it would drop a shiny dime. "Now, you save this, you hear?" He would say. And I did just that. By the time I was 15, I had almost forty dollars all saved up. Kids these days, they can throw forty dollars around like they can a rusted bottle-cap, but I sure as sam-hill couldn't! I had to earn it! I had to work for it! And I liked it. I loved it. Kids these days, I tell you, they don't understand.

Alex (That's MISTER Alex to you, sonny)

Shut up PLEASE! No more of that "grandpa" stuff or you will get seriously flamed....
 
ooh crap... i hear a flame war comming on...



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Originally posted by Abercrombieboy


Okay like that was a fair match up. Did you even notice that the PowerBook was running 512MB RAM and the iBook only had 128MB? Am I an idiot or doesn't that much more RAM help any system in OSX?

Overall the finder functions and program opening are not that much faster in OSX for the top of the line Powerbook. Yeah scrolling in word was bad on the iBook and it did take more time to move into the classic environment...but I still think if the iBook was packing the same 512MB that the TiBook was it would do better. Also the iBook has a slower HD which makes a hell of a difference. If the RAM was matched and the HD was matched...would the TiBook be that much better? Maybe a bit...but not living up to the claims that some people on here say...Like the people that try and tell me my iBook is a piece of crap and their TiBook is twice as fast...twice as fast at what? Maybe Photoshop...which I don't even use.

Now I was thinking...if the iBook was running the same 512 MB RAM as the TiBook...considering how close it ran to the TiBook in OS9 tests...I wonder if the outcome would have been changed.

hey man you acctually read it unlike the other people here. i give you props man. cool.

i agree the ibook would do better with more ram, but the point of this particular test was to compare the devices unalterred as they ship from apple. its not far really to compare a suped up ibook to a factory standard powerbook. saying add more ram is a bit like saying well they are the same speed as long as you make all their hardware comparable. ok i know you arent going that far. you want a far comparison of a g3 versus g4, but we have to deal with what apple gives us. you cant drop a 133mhz bus in an ibook. the playing field wont ever be level, but thats half the point. the ibook just cant compete. what i do believe though is that by dropping a g4 into the ibook you will vastly improve osx performance. and i think you would be hard pressed to disagree. steve jobs has said that osx needs a g4. if you go to apple's website you will find everysingle apple app including osx is optimized for the g4. the cards are just stacked against the g3. thats why we need to get a g4 into the hands of the consumer if we expect the consumer to adopt osx. the only problem standing in the way is the whole "how do we get a g4 chip in an ibook without melting the damn thing." a pretty big hurtle actually. but i think apple will get that g4 in the ibook as soon as they figure out how.

i find it interesting that the people who defend the g3 are the ones with the ibooks. as if they feel they need to protect their machine. no one is meaning to diss your computer. its a kickasss machine. we just want more (as usual). dont take it personally. my main computer is a g3. i use g3s and g4s often. ive done my own speed comparisons. and ive introduced many a g3 and g4 user to osx. typically the g3 users go back to os9 because they find the speed of osx on the g3 to be unacceptable. i think tehse speed comparisons add concrete numbers numbers what many people have experienced. os9 no difference in user interface speed. osx big difference in user interface speed. this holds true on a g4 or a g3 but on the g3 the user interface drops to a speed that is unacceptable to most users. thats why it needs an upgrade as soon as it is technologically possible.

and one quick side not. they used a powerbook with the slower hard drive so teh hard drive speeds were comparable.

for the rest of you i thought i would quote a bit of it for you since clicking a link seems to be far too much effort:
 

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Originally posted by alex_ant

Pfft, bring it on.

And sorry Jeff, I hope you realize I was only having a laugh. :)

Alex

i loved it!

i am a redneck from the woods of monterey county and these are very close to the stories we heard from the earlier generation...yeah, i am the token minority here but i am still a joe dirt type of character and your story is a lot closer to the bone than you think:)

if you are from where i am from, you can have a phd from harvard but you are still a country boy and the local paper, who i won't mention, has police reports of dog barkings and people check into the emergency room with "pimples"
 
Originally posted by krossfyter
ooh crap... i hear a flame war comming on...



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hey, krossbuddy, either laptop blows away my 300 mhz ibook or 366 pc laptop...how i wish (hey where is the religious talk lately, i kind of enjoyed it and it was very polite)

jef
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield


hey, krossbuddy, either laptop blows away my 300 mhz ibook or 366 pc laptop...how i wish (hey where is the religious talk lately, i kind of enjoyed it and it was very polite)

jef


so you dug the religious talk aye?!?! cool. so did i. no ones brought it back up so i havent touched it. and yes it was polite ...oddly enough.
 
Originally posted by krossfyter



so you dug the religious talk aye?!?! cool. so did i. no ones brought it back up so i havent touched it. and yes it was polite ...oddly enough.

but i think i lost some fans here being one of the christian guys...the atheists and agnostics seemed to outnumber the religionists/new agers/spiritualists two to one and talk of god or a higher power, while turning off some posters who otherwise respected me, did still turn into the biggest and most honest discussion on the internet...or at least on macrumors;)

go god

and go apple inc
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield


but i think i lost some fans here being one of the christian guys...the atheists and agnostics seemed to outnumber the religionists/new agers/spiritualists two to one and talk of god or a higher power, while turning off some posters who otherwise respected me, did still turn into the biggest and most honest discussion on the internet...or at least on macrumors;)

go god

and go apple inc



haha yeah... i deal with this on a daily basis. im used to it. if they hate me because of my faith than it shows how superficial they are.
 
ok i just had to jump in here.

i would by no means call the religious thread polite. it was "polite" because the people who you insulted left rather than get in a fight over religion on a mac board.

and as for people hating you for your faith, this is not the case. people dislike you for your arrogance, patronizing tone, and closemindedness (is that a word?).

i dont want to exchange words with you over this, but i encourage you to go back and read the thread start to finish. you will find that it became you preaching to everyone else as the insulted slowly drifted away and stopped posting. i hardly felt that was a "polite" conversation but i ignored it and stopped reading.

but please dont bring your condescending high and mighty attitudes into other threads. if you feel a need to preach go to the religion thread (or better yet go to a church!).

some people dont like being reminded of their opression everywhere they go, so play nice or take it outside.
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
ok i just had to jump in here.

i would by no means call the religious thread polite. it was "polite" because the people who you insulted left rather than get in a fight over religion on a mac board.

and as for people hating you for your faith, this is not the case. people dislike you for your arrogance, patronizing tone, and closemindedness (is that a word?).

i dont want to exchange words with you over this, but i encourage you to go back and read the thread start to finish. you will find that it became you preaching to everyone else as the insulted slowly drifted away and stopped posting. i hardly felt that was a "polite" conversation but i ignored it and stopped reading.

but please dont bring your condescending high and mighty attitudes into other threads. if you feel a need to preach go to the religion thread (or better yet go to a church!).

some people dont like being reminded of their opression everywhere they go, so play nice or take it outside.

sorry if we offended anybody, that is the job of the religious right and believe me, i get offended by them as much as the next person

...i just think the tone and direction of the thread which i followed very closely, mostly mischief and his views vs. krossfyter and his views, was very polite...realize that both krossfyter and mischief are fellow anti-zealots and speak to each other all the time on these threads LOL:D
 
Ti 400 - 640 MB RAM - MAYA Rendering.....i love the G4!

As for the whole religious thing, and its relevance to macrumors.com, well, it's a part fo all of our lives, it's just a plain fact, and if people want to talk about it, then so be it. i'm a christian, and ya God rules (in more way than one)
 
amb. lemon..

sorry you got offended there buddy...

you call it "being preached to".... i call it just conversing....it is realtive. no need to fight about what i was or i wasnt doing since different people will see it differently regardless of what i know i was doing.

its a trip how when people talk about religion and or God and the other one does not like it ...they will deem it bad or negative and call it preaching. not surprising it happens all the time. so what if i did or do preach to you (which i never have or never will intend to).... who gives flying hell about that...as if thats a bad thing...as if it was equivalent to being dipped in the blubonic plaque. get over it.
 
Originally posted by krossfyter
amb. lemon..

sorry you got offended there buddy...

you call it "being preached to".... i call it just conversing....it is realtive. no need to fight about what i was or i wasnt doing since different people will see it differently regardless of what i know i was doing.

its a trip how when people talk about religion and or God and the other one does not like it ...they will deem it bad or negative and call it preaching. not surprising it happens all the time. so what if i did or do preach to you (which i never have or never will intend to).... who gives flying hell about that...as if thats a bad thing...as if it was equivalent to being dipped in the blubonic plaque. get over it.

I am very religious. I commend people for their search for truth and I hope we all find happiness and truth. I feel religion is so deeply personal that it should only be discussed at appropriate times. I respect others right to come to a macrumors web site and not hear my views. Sacred things have a time and a place.

Having said that, I think if religion does come up and people are interested in discussing it, perhaps they should do so elsewhere. Sacred things deserve being discussed in an appropriate manner.
 
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