7 years lifespan?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by hugodrax, Dec 16, 2009.

  1. hugodrax macrumors 6502a

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    Looks like I will probably get 7 years or more out of this 06 Mac Pro. Is this possible or will something break or OS X not be supported in the future?

    I have 16GB on this thing, the Apple 4870 512MB card 4x 2.66Mhz, 10.6.2.

    It runs games great, Trading on this runs with no issue either. And CPU 96% idle right now.

    (This with two virtual machines running on an other spaces, Fedora 12 and XP)

    It seems the Macs are long life computers compared to yesteryears desktops.
     
  2. thegoldenmackid macrumors 604

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    There are those that can also get years out of their PCs, but the key is the owner. Just keep updating components when they need appear to need replacing.
     
  3. UltraNEO* macrumors 601

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    Well, it really depends on your requirements, processing speed and time to complete a project. Also, if your current software does everything you need and there are no plans to upgrade for more advance, more processor intensive applications then.. sure, maybe you can get seven years from your machine.

    ..computer technology on average, are usually out of date after six months, that's the pace of technology moving.. so a seven year old computer will technically be a worthless antique.
     
  4. Maserati7200 macrumors 6502a

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    Well, it's like saying a PowerMac G4 is still a really powerful computer for today, I mean lets be honest, it's an antique. We all thought it was so great back then. I mean, in 7 years, 16 GB of memory will probably be sub par or nothing special.
     
  5. GreatDrok macrumors 6502a

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    I generally expect to get about 5 years out of my Macs as main use machines and hopefully some more as secondary systems. I just relegated my 933 Mhz iBook G4 to the iTunes service role and it just turned 5. Take care of your machine, replace anything that breaks that can (iBook is on a new HD but otherwise original, MacBook Pro has a new HD and I just replaced the power pack and battery).

    A machine like the Mac Pro should have long legs and certainly an 06 model is still pretty fresh IMHO.
     
  6. Jayomat macrumors 6502a

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    Uhmm... that's like asking:"I just bought a new car. Is it possible that it breaks down due to some problems that may occur over time?" :rolleyes:

    As for the OS... Snow Leopard only supports Intel based Macs.. no one can guarantee you that the same won't happen with one of the next revisions of OSX (OS11...?)... maybe the minimum requirement will be a Quad-Core in 5 years... who knows... ;)

    I don't want to start a mac/pc flame war here, but a "normal" pc can last for such a long time as well, as long as you take good care of it... I just wanted to point that out ;)
     
  7. smacman macrumors 6502

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    I don't think the 09 Mac Pros will last very long unless users never play audio...
     
  8. Maserati7200 macrumors 6502a

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    wow, that computer would NOT work for me, I'm constantly playing music with a bitrate of at least 256 KB/s, (at full volume) if not full WAV files (very few of my songs are 128 kb/s or 160 kb/s). Gee, my MacBook can do that without a sweat :rolleyes::D;):eek: And if I'm not doing that, I'm editing videos or watching videos, so ya.. this would be disastrous for me
     
  9. disconap macrumors 68000

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    Just as a note--I run on a first gen G5 PPC 2X2.0gHz. I've done some decent upgrades on it, but it is an almost 7 year old machine and it is still my main computer for everything I do (professional graphics and audio mostly, along with heavy almost server level tasks for in-house). I expect to have to upgrade next year solely because my clients will eventually request CS5, and CS5 will be Intel only.

    So yes, in theory a Mac tower (specifically, due to the fact that you can keep upgrading to pick up speed here and there, but likely the current line of i5-i7 iMacs) should, based on previous example, last you 5-7 years no sweat, provided you aren't shooting pro-grade full-length HD films or animations, or mapping the human genome or anything. On the flip of that, however, I am very familiar with the workings and longevity of the PPC line; I have not yet owned an Intel Mac, so I don't know if there is a shorter lifespan or not, though I would assume Apple wouldn't put together machines that are sub-par, it's part of the point of buying Apple to begin with...

    To give you my example, I'm running a main RAID0 on two 500gb drives just for my OS and apps/desktop, with a 320gb RAID0 as a cache/working files drive and two esata externals for file management (running on a mid-grade PCI card). 6GB of RAM, which is pretty much the standard low to mid at this point, and an upgraded GPU (Radeon 9800 pro, which again is below the current Mac standard and way below the PC level). And again, it still works flawlessly; I've noticed some lag in the past year, especially with CS4, but nothing to the point of wanting to jump to a new tower yet. I'm debating jumping to an SSD RAID0 (since I can move it forward with my next computer purchase) and upping the RAM to max (will lose money on it since I need to buy 4 sticks, but will help with resale a bit and will give me more juice now), but overall I'd say I EASILY got my money's worth out of this machine; in fact, I probably got my money's worth within the first 2-3 years and have been floating on durable older tech since. Same story with my Sawtooth, which is heavily modded/upgraded and still rocks under Leopard (in fact, it boots faster than my G5), and the core of it I bought new in early 2001!

    But yeah, if you want top of the line constantly, keep reselling and buying new. But if you want something that will last for what you do, figure out your needs and pick up something that significantly surpasses them and you'll be a-ok. :)
     
  10. Macinposh macrumors 6502a

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    Who forces you to upgrade? Does Stevie come to you house,shove a gun in your mouth and make you upgrade your OS and CS suite to a new one?
    Didnt think so either.

    If progs work and you get your job done,why update.
    (Pre)press field have practically stagnated (photo,gfx design), music as well (you can run 100 tracks with filters quite easily) and web...and...
    Of course video field will need more oompah,but as even the present machines edit 1080p/10bit materiel fluently, it is more concern of the 2K/4K+
    editing.


    Same here. And it seems that the 06 could run into 2012/13,easily.
    New revisions of CS/FCP are about a year away,and they will run on snowleo.
    Now it is just to wait untill snowleo matures enough that you can install
    it on production machines.
    Heck,my old 06 (4x3.00) still kicks the new quad to the nuts in Photoshop test. After 3 years...

    Read the first reply.


    Ding ding,we have a winner!

    You have the worriers/upgraders and then you have the workers.
    Worriers (not warriors) worry that their machine is not fastest on the market,worry that they dont have a raid0 SSD setups,worry that their epeen is not long enough. And blow money away trying to chase their dream and getting the viagra for their epeen.

    And then you have workers that buy a system,makes sure it works 24/7, suits their need,gets the best-bang-for-buck and work with it untill it starts to be cost prohibitive to keep on working with the setup.Then they upgade.
     
  11. Shademaster macrumors member

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    I got a Jan 08 MacPro and I couldn't be happier. It is still very fast considering modern hardware speeds.

    I use it for Cinema4D rendering and it never failed me once. One time it did a nonstop render taking 4 freaking months! It churned through it without a hickup! It is now almost 2 years old and I see this machine having a long future at our studio. RAM upgrade is on the way to take it to 20gb and some new HD's to spice up the storage/speed. This machine will do fine for the next 2 years of intense studio work.
     
  12. Jayomat macrumors 6502a

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    I didn't say that he must upgrade. but he asked whether it's possible that his hardware gets "unsupported" with future OS releases. at least this is how I understood his statement.. and in this case I'm right.. just like PPC users got left behind, it may happen to him.. of course he can use his Mac as long as he gets the job done.. some friends of mine are still on tiger... no problem with that..^^ If I want to, I can still use Windows 3.1 to do word processing .. but that was not the point... if he always wants to work with the "latest" OS, is machine may be unsupported rather sooner than later...
     
  13. disconap macrumors 68000

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    To be fair I'm both, as I want to set up an SSD RAID0 (but as I said, to gain an extra year or so on the G5, and I can put it in whatever I replace it with, so it IS kinda of win-win). ;)

    But yeah, I completely agree, there are techheads and workers (and gamers and hobbyists and web users and hybrids of all these, but on the high-end Macs I always assume you're either a worker, a tech-obsessor, or rich beyond belief), and a smart worker is likely to spend top dollar (or as close as they can get) ONCE on something that will last the longest so that he/she doesn't have to worry about constantly upgrading and can just do their job until the machine can't do the job anymore. Which, to go back to the OC's point, I would say in the Mac world can be 5-7 years if you're upping RAM whenever things slow down. I still have my G5 because my G5 handles my workload (though it is starting to slow on Flash stuff). Hell, our audio recording machine is the Sawtooth, and we do most of our tracking in OS9 and mixing in 10.4 or 10.5. They're just machines, they either work for what you need or they don't.

    EDIT: Also, re: the prepress comment--I do typesetting for major publishers (grade school through undergrad textbooks mostly), and it's only been the past three months that our clients have requested CS4. They seemed to have skipped CS3 altogether, so most of our jobs were in CS2 up until now. So they're catching up, but yeah, a solidly put together G4 can still handle anything you need to go to plate or phaser without any real hang-ups or quality loss.
     
  14. frimple macrumors 6502

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    *yawn* quit posting this on every thread you touch. I just kicked open iTunes and my CPU utilization is at < 1%. IT DOES NOT AFFECT ALL USERS!
     
  15. ncc1701d macrumors 6502

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    Sorry for not staying on topic, but how do I monitor the temp of the CPU?
     
  16. TheStrudel macrumors 65816

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    Also worth pointing out:

    The increase in speed as a result of tighter software development has started lagging behind hardware improvements. Sure, we've got 8 cores, multithreaded code, and GPU acceleration, but fewer than a dozen apps actually use it.

    I would say Mac Pros could be expected to last a good deal longer than your previous G5s or G4s, unless  switches off of x86 (unlikely, at this juncture). I expect my computer to still be comfortably usable for at least 5 more years, because the software has not caught up with it at all.

    Intel's cranking out faster CPUs and chipsets, but only the graphics/media/research people would really notice the improvements at this point. It's easy to forget this on the Mac Pro forum, but realistically, Core 2 Duo will serve the needs of 95% of the computer using population for another 3-6 years, no trouble. Most software isn't even 64-bit yet. And most recently released Macs are 64-bit ready.
     
  17. vogelhausdesign macrumors regular

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    Sounds like you didn't get what you wanted for christmas.
     
  18. Macinposh macrumors 6502a

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    Nope.
    No world peace,no flying car,no neck massage from Lucy Liu and photoshop still cant use all cores.
    Otherwise quite ok.
    Howcome?
     
  19. vogelhausdesign macrumors regular

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    Scratch disks for now :) CS5 when Adobe decides to play nice.

    PS neck massage from Lucy Liu? tucking yourself in at night in your dodge viper bed with akira sheets isn't enough anymore?
     
  20. ttopp macrumors regular

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    whats a DODGE VIPER (snakeskin?) BED???

    i heard a rumor CS5 wont b multi core on OS X :(
     
  21. vogelhausdesign macrumors regular

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    it's a car here in the US. Also a pretty slick looking bed with wheels.

    Thats just a rumor, I doubt apple would let their graphics market suffer like that. But we have bootcamp anyway , ya know?
     
  22. ttopp macrumors regular

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    a car and bed all rolled onto one lol you get them in the uk tay

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF8eb7qS__Q
     
  23. mstrze macrumors 68000

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    The only reason I upgraded from my iMac Sage to a Mini was OS X speed and performance issues. Every new upgrade brings new tweaks and major upgrade tend to bring items that are more processor intensive...like certain graphic effects and the like that have gotten themselves built in to the system software.

    If you do one thing and your computer does it well, you most assuredly can and will get your computer to last 7 years. My iMac gave me nearly 6 including editing video for my TV resume (I did TV weather). When I worked at a TV station in 1998, they had an Amiga as a video toaster and that computer was easily 6-7 years old and still doing its job.

    Alas, my upgrade to a Mini was timed poorly as I got a PPC Mini and the new Intel minis were on the horizon about 4 months down the road. :(

    I do now have an Intel Mini btw.

    As others have said, the issues will come down to speed and performance as new technologies come about allowing more memory and processor-intensive applications. If you are happy with your current software and what it does in the foreseeable future, you'll be OK.

    But, should you soon be needing to edit lossless HD video files on the fly while streaming Dolby 11.1 audio and hyper HD video to your wireless montior in the living room...you'll need to upgrade. ;)

    (Funny how when hard drives came out and were just grazing the Gb size limit it seemed like we would NEVER fill them up. Now we have some folks with multi TBs of content. LOL)
     
  24. nanofrog macrumors G4

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    It's all going to depend on what you do/need out of the system.

    The '06 - '07 models use EFI32 firmware, and it could be an issue to you, despite the capabilities of the system otherwise. Graphics cards are already beginning to be a problem (nVidia GTX285 won't work, as it requires EFI64). ATI will likely continue to use EBC based firmware, so you might be able to access a newer model or two there, until firmware goes 128bit, where the specification may change.

    And it will become a problem with OS X as well when it goes exclusively to K64 (assuming you want/need to update from the last version of K32 version of OS X, and SL may be the last K32 version).

    If you won't need more in terms of OS X or graphics cards, you'll be fine. They're also quite capable as Windows workstations.

    This shouldn't be the case, given the use of Xeon parts, but Apple treats them as consumer systems (support for ~3years, rather than the industry standard of 5 for workstations/servers from the date of the parts intitial release by any other vendor).

    Quite true. Software is well behind hardware at this point. And is some cases, multi-threaded isn't going to provide an advantage (i.e. word processing, where the application spends most of it's time waiting on keyboard input).

    In general, Yes.

    But the EFI32 based systems days are numbered for certain uses (where ever upgrades would be needed to continue with true 64 bit operation <including hardware> or need of new standards that don't appear until pure 64 bit systems <K64 only OS X>).

    I'm not so sure about C2D going quite that long (6 yrs), but they've a decent life left. C2Q, would make more sense, as I'd think software developers will start to catch up with multi-threaded apps in ~3 - 4 years (far better presence than currently exists, not as extensive as possible).

    But the EFI32 systems may be an exception to the rule for certain uses. Sad, but there's no way to upgrade the firmware, and Apple seems to have zero interest in supporting those systems for much longer (drops as soon as the K64 only version of OS X ships). :(
     
  25. Inconsequential macrumors 68000

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    Your misinformed.

    They all do it, the point is it DOES NOT show on the CPU utilisation monitor.

    Even the two in the apple store did it.

    Download Xbench, run it with audio playing, then without. You will gain 25% performance.

    Download iStat Menus. Look at the CPU temperature rise and the power usage rise by 50W, which has been confirmed by a meter.

    Im sure, you will fine what we are banging on about.

    Look here: http://www.thunder-keep.co.uk/site/macproissue/xbench_tests.jpg
     

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