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Also, given such a limited context, it makes little sense to me to extrapolate in the way you have. I haven't seen any solid stats on professionals or demanding workflows as a % of the userbase or potential userbase if Apple catered more towards other professionals in the same way they do creatives. I'd wager the number is higher than 30%.

So which other professional groups uses the Mac for resource intensive tasks and which don't use any of the type of software I listed in the millions to make any difference?

CAD? No, the software is quite limited on the Mac
Data analytics? No, the software is quite limited
Scientist? Yes, in some sciences in some countries, but a lot of them would also run development tools and would be covered in those 30%.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people running resource intensive tasks on a Mac is even lower. A lot of business users have adopted the Mac in the last 8-9 years and they very seldom run intensive tasks locally.
 
So which other professional groups uses the Mac for resource intensive tasks and which don't use any of the type of software I listed in the millions to make any difference?

CAD? No, the software is quite limited on the Mac
Data analytics? No, the software is quite limited
Scientist? Yes, in some sciences in some countries, but a lot of them would also run development tools and would be covered in those 30%.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people running resource intensive tasks on a Mac is even lower. A lot of business users have adopted the Mac in the last 8-9 years and they very seldom run intensive tasks locally.
Your question seem disingenuous. I've already given examples and listed counters. Everything in this thread is highly speculative based off narrow data that has been questionably extrapolated.

Why are you saying that software is limited?

There's little basis for anyone to be making sweeping claims here.
 
What a bunch of pedantry over what is and is not a pro app!

I think the OP extrapolation that 70% of Mac users don't run anything considered a 'pro app' sounds totally correct, working from Apple's own (rare) statements.

It doesn't even feel as though people are actually disagreeing, just offering increasingly edge cases. Yes, compiling and using Handbrake can be resource intensive--no, I don't think a lot of people who use no other pro apps are doing that.

I think people may be clouded by ego—either because they have investment in pro users driving computing, or their own feelings about computers, or some combination I can't quite suss out.

You are not your machine, and it's a tool. It doesn't define you.
 
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What a bunch of pedantry over what is and is not a pro app!
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As a consumer once the m series chips came out it radically changed consumer needs moving forward.

Intel chips were so inefficient and hot in way too small enclosure with limited cooling until the m1 max MBP. The previous 13" MBP also was much more powerful than expected.

This eventually brought us to today when an M5 MBA is extremely capable for all but the most intense projects/apps/etc.

Now you only need the MacBook Pro if you are an actual professional whereas several years ago just to get a decent performance you needed a Pro. The m chip has changed everything. The a series has become so powerful and is generally the base for m series that it is now good enough to run MacOS.

Most people don't need a MacBook Pro but like certain "Pro" features like Promotion and active cooling, more ports, larger sizes, etc.

The MacBook air M2 was the first air that was seriously capable and in most ways good enough. The LCD 60hz screen is a very good screen. The speakers are loud enough and have great sound, great battery life, no fan noise, etc. I think it changed a lot of perception along with the new m series chips. Now buying a Pro became a choice not a need.

I think now the same thing will eventually become true for air users. Once it is time to upgrade which may be now or in the next several years and a lot of people will ask the same questions. Do I need the extra features and power or is the Neo good enough. If people feel the Neo is good enough then even the air becomes a want and no longer a need.

When it is time for me to upgrade in the next year or two I will ask these questions to myself. Do I really need backlit keys? Do I need the larger better quality screen and speakers?

I could sell my MBA and M1 iPad air and buy a base iPad and Neo and probably pay under $300 out of pocket depending on private sale vs trade in. Once my devices age enough that might be a really good trade and keep my costs down with a few small compromises.

It is just nice to have more affordable options!!!
 
I'd suggest that most use about about 20% of the capabilities of both the built-in apps in MacOS or the usual 3rd Party apps so often installed (like Microsoft 365 / Office), so its hardly surprising to read that for most consumers, the Neo surpasses their needs.
 
In 2017, there was a round-table discussion billed as "a small roundtable discussion about the Mac", including Phil Schiller, Craig Federighi and John Ternus from Apple and Matthew Panzarino, Lance Ulanoff, Ina Fried, John Paczkowski and John Gruber. This was in connection with the Mac Pro debacle.

In that discussion, Phil Schiller said the following (summarised):
  • 15% of Mac users used a pro app regularly
  • 15% used a pro app less frequently (a few times a month)
which leads to
  • 70% never uses pro apps
In this context a pro app was defined as applications for things like music creation, video editing, graphic design and software development. Your usual suspects. I don't think the percentages of changed much since then.

Of those 70% who never use a performance insensitive application, a lot of them would be satisfied with a Neo. This is especially true when one takes price into the account. A lot of casual users are willing to sacrifice a few things for getting a decent computer at a good price instead of getting a great computer at a high price.

The same type of users from the Windows PC/Chromebook world are also potential buyers.

That's the markets Apple now have a competitive model in.

Do I think every user of MBA will buy a Neo in the future? No. Do I think huge percentages of Windows users or Chromebook users will switch? No.

If Apple gets 3% of people who are going to buy a Windows machine or a Chromebook in 2026 to buy a Mac instead, it would represent something like 4 million users and would be a huge success.

If Apple sells 5 million of the MacBook Neo in the first year to both current Mac users and others, it would be a success.

Source: https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives
My sister is basically the average user. It’s cute. Boom I’m buying. “WtF is 8gig of ram wtf is that it’s cute, I love the color and I love the size”
 
That's why I changed my order from 14" M5 Base 24GB to 16" M5 Pro 64GB... not gonna let base owners kick silicon in my face that's for damn sure
You should apply a big label to the back of the machine that shows the amount of memory and storage you purchased. No need in letting those massive resources go unnoticed by the PC (Dell and HP) swine. 🙂
 
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That’s why I bring my Mac Pro (with wheels) and Pro Display XDR (with stand) everywhere. Some folks point and laugh about my lack of nano texture though 😓
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I wonder if such could be the next Neo model, the NeoPro which includes MagicKeyboardPro?

~Just kidding with you, or course 🙂
 
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That’s why I bring my Mac Pro (with wheels) and Pro Display XDR (with stand) everywhere. Some folks point and laugh about my lack of nano texture though 😓
NOOOOOB. Mac Classic in the chicque vintage carryng bag. Which causes my family refuse to acknowledge any relation to me. Had to take the bus to the tech swap meet last year. A wagon, the Classic and several pc cases. Driver had to put down the handicap ramp so I could get on the bus.

Sorry about the Noob. But really, no nano texture? How savage?!
 
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It covers mostly what's resource intensive on a Mac:

  • music creation
    • Logic Pro
    • Pro Tools
    • Ableton Live
    • FL Studio
    • Cubase
  • video editing
    • Final Cut Pro
    • Adobe Premiere Pro
    • DaVinci Resolve
    • Avid Media Composer
  • graphic design
    • Adobe Photoshop
    • Adobe Illustrator
    • Adobe InDesign
    • Affinity Designer
    • Affinity Photo
  • software development
    • Xcode
    • Visual Studio Code
    • IntelliJ IDEA
    • pyCharm
    • Android Studio
Very few other applications used by professionals requires high amount of ram, CPU power or GPU power.

I have used Macs for over a decade and never used any of these Apps. Chrome, Microsoft Office, is what I use for work. I think I represent a large portion of Mac users. There are many Mac owners who probably just use Word, Notes, and various communications apps and make millions using their computers as businesspeople - I am sure these people would call themselves "professionals." Another large portion use various "creative apps" which may include stuff like Final Cut Pro and or some equivalent apps. A minority of Mac users will know what stuff like Xcode is.
 
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Yeah but let me tell you. If you just sit there at a table and don't even have your phone out, people think you are a creep LOL.
Right. Ok I am for reducing digital use (for mental health wellness, reduction of anxiety sxs, and practicing mindfulness). My screen time is about 2 hrs and its mainly messaging. It's facinating when you sit in a waiting room and not use your phone. Everyone is just quiet and buried on their devices. I do end up chatting with folks older in their 50s lol. I love it. Even at the gym (people don't wash their hands in the bathroom and I refuse to use my phone after I touch the equipment), and I am the weird one that's not scrolling between sets or I am writing my sets on my notebook... but at least there's TVs.
 
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