I just spec'd out a Dell with comparable.. It's almost $1000 more than the new Mac Pro.
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8-Core Mac Pros have arrived.
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I just spec'd out a Dell with comparable.. It's almost $1000 more than the new Mac Pro.
THought the same thing ...but now I'm guessing 8 cores isn't enough now that it's available ...I'm expecting him to start blabbering about 16 cores now ..or the next generation of chips that will make the 8 cores 10% faster ...and how happy he will be with those because these chips aren't worthy of his massive workload.
Lol.. Now I wonder if anythings going to be released at NAB...
Yes, but the fastest Quad-Core processor Intel has released to date is 2.66 GHz. So it would have seemed logical to offer a dual-core 2.66, dual-core 3.0, and quad-core 2.66. Even now, Intel doesn't list any 3.0 GHz quad-core chips. Either Apple is getting them early, or they're just overclocking 2.66 GHz chips.
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Great news, and the CPU speed of the CLovertown 3Ghz caught me by surprise there , didn't expect 3Ghz yet.
Now of course, I have one or two complaints:
- Why aren't the lower speed Clovertowns available too?
- Why are the price levels on existing configs not changed? (Let me guess, they sell enough at the moment with the release of CS3.....)
I would have hoped to see the existing configs drop by $200 to $300 , ad the at least the 2.66Ghz Clovertown config at quad 3Ghz price point, and add the 3 Ghz Clovertown for an additional $400,- above that model....
Oh well, by the end of the year perhaps......
Great news, and the CPU speed of the CLovertown 3Ghz caught me by surprise there , didn't expect 3Ghz yet.
Now of course, I have one or two complaints:
- Why aren't the lower speed Clovertowns available too?
- Why are the price levels on existing configs not changed? (Let me guess, they sell enough at the moment with the release of CS3.....)
I would have hoped to see the existing configs drop by $200 to $300 , ad the at least the 2.66Ghz Clovertown config at quad 3Ghz price point, and add the 3 Ghz Clovertown for an additional $400,- above that model....
Oh well, by the end of the year perhaps......
I believe the Mac Pro line is going to be more dynamic then the other product lines with BTO options coming and going and the individual component prices changing... granted that hasn't really happened much yet but I think we will see that happening more this year.
Recall Intel hasn't dropped its prices yet for the Xeon processors, it should happen in July and then we may see the BTO options change around in price, etc.
I personally would have thought that with Apple making available a 3 GHz Quad-Core Xeon they would have also added at least the 2.66 Ghz Quad-Core Xeon to the BTO list.
Like I said before Apple may just be waiting until Intel drops prices and then they will replace Dual-Core with Quad-Core at the same price points.
I am gonna wait till next sunday NAB press conference and see wht kind of bto the have. Maybe a Limited edition designed with oakley red alloy chasis for "the red one" ??
I bet FCP 6, FCS 2.0 or new shake will utilize all 8 cores of the new mac pro.
I am hanging on to my money till at least NAB.
I bet FCP 6, FCS 2.0 or new shake will utilize all 8 cores of the new mac pro.
I am hanging on to my money till at least NAB.
The Stoakley-Seaburg platforms brings PCI Express 2.0. It also brings dual PCIe 16x lanes, so that means potential SLI/Crossfire. It also supports higher cache Xeons and 45nm Xeons a lot better. There's a lot of improvements with S-S that will carry over for the next 2 years.
Videocards on the other hand, really depend on the OEM card makers to make one that supports EFI. However, I suspect that once Intel releases Windows based machines that use EFI instead of BIOS (slated for Q3) this will open up the videocard market greatly for Mac Pro users. If you have no EFI support, it will only run in Windows on the Mac Pro, which can be somewhat useless if you really like Mac OS X. And people should like Mac OS X since the chances of getting viruses and spyware are virtually nil.
Apple want the best with no confusion to consumers, 3Ghz woodcrest can be faster than 2.66Ghz clovertown.
Because prices on Xeon chips haven't dropped.
I think you need to catch up on the news. While I'm not deeply invested on this particular case, they definitely have some authority over price gouging, but it's heavily dependent on the circumstances. btw, what's with the "flimzy union" remark? Someone spit in your coffee this morning?
Back on topic, I think this is "additional option" to the Mac Pros is not impressive. It's another 'it's about time' update and the price is sky high to boot. So...
Actually they stated shipping the beginning of September '06, 7 months ago. Don't exaggerate.
...and Apple has changed the price points of some of the build options during that time.
They started shipping August 7th, which is 8 months ago. It was in late August and early September when they started shipping Mac Pros with the ATI card configs. The Mac Pro has been on the market and in peoples homes for 8 months. Not 7, and certainly not 6.
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Mac Pro lists now as recently updated. That is quite a stretch for a new option instead of a real upgrade. I still feel it's better to wait.
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Mac Pro lists now as recently updated. That is quite a stretch for a new option instead of a real upgrade. I still feel it's better to wait.
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Expensive... NO!
For all of you who keep saying that the octo core option is expensive. Head over to Dells website and configure an 8 core precision workstation. Keeping in mind that they only have the 2.66 ghz quad core chip. And the standard config only comes with a 128 mb graphics card. The machine i configured had theses specs. (2 2.66 ghz quard core xeons)(1 gb ram) (stock 128 mb nvidia quadro NVS 285) **just to prove my point** 250 mb sata hard drive, 16x dvd writer. For a grand total of 5,056 The updated mac pro with the 3.0 ghz dual quad cores, 3,997 A full thousand dollars cheaper. So quit your crying and if you don't need a machine with this much power. Than don't buy it. Apple can't perform magic and give away the latest and greatest technology. The product is more than competitive, in fact it's a steal. ps. As a 3d artist (maya 8.5 utilizing intel natively and multithreading) I can't wait to get this box!
For all of you who keep saying that the octo core option is expensive. Head over to Dells website and configure an 8 core precision workstation. Keeping in mind that they only have the 2.66 ghz quad core chip. And the standard config only comes with a 128 mb graphics card. The machine i configured had theses specs. (2 2.66 ghz quard core xeons)(1 gb ram) (stock 128 mb nvidia quadro NVS 285) **just to prove my point** 250 mb sata hard drive, 16x dvd writer. For a grand total of 5,056 The updated mac pro with the 3.0 ghz dual quad cores, 3,997 A full thousand dollars cheaper. So quit your crying and if you don't need a machine with this much power. Than don't buy it. Apple can't perform magic and give away the latest and greatest technology. The product is more than competitive, in fact it's a steal. ps. As a 3d artist (maya 8.5 utilizing intel natively and multithreading) I can't wait to get this box!
Wouldn't happen to have a link would you? (not doubting you just trying to get more info)
FWIW, 8 core MacPros have arrived, but that's O.K, my quad core arrived yesterday and boy am
I glad I didn't wait.
I was going to link that same article.
Don't forget to upgrade the Dell video card and throw in their free monitor on the Mac Pro.
He was up at 6:47 AM EST. So he's probably asleep. He's back online now.
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Well of course Dell is going to charge more! But that isn't the problem. The problem is that a disproportinate amount of the price goes simply for having the extra cores without seeing such a dramatic increase in performance.
It is like paying $3/gal for 87 octane gas and $4.50/gal for 93 octane gas. Despite it having 8 cores, it is no where near twice as fast as the machine with 4 cores. Heck it is hardly much faster than the G5 with 4 cores!
I have many Apple computers, so it isn't as if this is a big deal for me since I'm not buying right now. But Apple isn't giving much incentive to buy. Prices have not been lowered on their machines and the extra performance isn't justified for the extra price. Pretty soon, users will be able to add these same chips to their machines at cheaper prices than Apple is commanding with this release.
Well of course Dell is going to charge more! But that isn't the problem. The problem is that a disproportinate amount of the price goes simply for having the extra cores without seeing such a dramatic increase in performance.
It is like paying $3/gal for 87 octane gas and $4.50/gal for 93 octane gas. Despite it having 8 cores, it is no where near twice as fast as the machine with 4 cores. Heck it is hardly much faster than the G5 with 4 cores!
I have many Apple computers, so it isn't as if this is a big deal for me since I'm not buying right now. But Apple isn't giving much incentive to buy. Prices have not been lowered on their machines and the extra performance isn't justified for the extra price. Pretty soon, users will be able to add these same chips to their machines at cheaper prices than Apple is commanding with this release.
Stop complaining about the price
All you latecomers need to stop whining about this being the most expensive mac ever. The fact is this doesn't even come close - I bought a Mac IIfx back in 1990 and could have had two 8 core mac pro's both with 30" LCDs for what I paid for that sweet 40Mhz... and that's not even taking inflation into account.
All you latecomers need to stop whining about this being the most expensive mac ever. The fact is this doesn't even come close - I bought a Mac IIfx back in 1990 and could have had two 8 core mac pro's both with 30" LCDs for what I paid for that sweet 40Mhz... and that's not even taking inflation into account.
Buy your ram somewhere else and install it yourself if you wanna save some loot.
Weird logic... Apple isn't making you purchase that system (as I think you implied)... and that system will allow some folks running some work loads to do more in less time then the could before.
EDIT: Sorry "(as I think you implied)" wasn't stated clearly... I meant that you appeared to imply that Apple still gave you options.
just like everybody else...
It seems everybody does the same thing. Last time I was in Europe, the same Burberry polo-type shirt was 80 euros in Rome, 80 pounds in London, and 80 us dollars in New York. I have no explanation about why this is, but it is what it is. WRT Apple and Adobe, maybe those prices include the VAT, too?
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It seems everybody does the same thing. Last time I was in Europe, the same Burberry polo-type shirt was 80 euros in Rome, 80 pounds in London, and 80 us dollars in New York. I have no explanation about why this is, but it is what it is. WRT Apple and Adobe, maybe those prices include the VAT, too?
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thats nothing, the Adobe CS3 prices made me swear alot...
US Store...
UK Store...
i was gonna get it but, now they can stick it right up their...
Wrong! No exaggeration...
I ordered mine August 7th at 12:01 pm and FedEx delivered it August 9th at 1:17 pm. (Standard shipping, 25 hours and 16 minutes after order) They were in stock in Sacramento the day they were announced.
I ordered mine August 7th at 12:01 pm and FedEx delivered it August 9th at 1:17 pm. (Standard shipping, 25 hours and 16 minutes after order) They were in stock in Sacramento the day they were announced.