You should qualify your statements as opinion. In fact, none of us know what Apple will do in the fall refresh.
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850m vs 750m? worth the wait?
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I mean, the assumption here is that you think it'll cost apple a lot, they don't have redesign the logic board. there isn't a die shrink in the 850m so if there is a socket change, i'm sure it's just ordering a slightly different part
my point is, no die shrink means the chips are the same size. a connector is a plastic part that they solder on, but I don't see a reason to change the logic board.
usually when we say change the logic board, and it gets leaked, we'd probably expect it to be somewhat sexier than the connector changing since that happens with CPU quite often. For example, going from Ivy Bridge to Haswell actually comes with a die shrink, I don't remember seeing leaks galore for the rmbp.
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honestly same situation as you , and i doubt they will include an 850m in a haswell refresh when they are trying to get rid of dgpu's in general , kinda no point on waiting the deals are really good , free apple care , and no tax
if i were a betting man, this is what i'd order in likeliness:
1. Haswell refresh with 850M. They can advertise the new battery savings with the Maxwell architecture. Plus there is no proof apple is moving away from DGPU especially with the new mac pro having TWO of them. iGPU won't ever catch up with DGPU or else nvidia is going out of business. Plus, there's already a SLOT for dGPU in this current generation. I keep saying this, if you don't think Apple will redesign the logic board and the computer as a whole, keeping the dGPU is the MOST likely decision.
2. Haswell refresh with 750M.
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100. Haswell refresh without a dGPU option
1. Haswell refresh with 850M. They can advertise the new battery savings with the Maxwell architecture. Plus there is no proof apple is moving away from DGPU especially with the new mac pro having TWO of them. iGPU won't ever catch up with DGPU or else nvidia is going out of business. Plus, there's already a SLOT for dGPU in this current generation. I keep saying this, if you don't think Apple will redesign the logic board and the computer as a whole, keeping the dGPU is the MOST likely decision.
2. Haswell refresh with 750M.
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100. Haswell refresh without a dGPU option
iris pro graphics are not that bad lol , and 2 you have to realize that most macbooks that apple sell are not the high-end $2600 laptops lol ; so why go through so much work and effort and change the logic board to fit the pins the 850m has and change the manufacturing process for the boards to fit the pins , for something only 10% or so of the macs that will be sold will have ; and then on top of that if you really need that much more power why not buy a mac pro its only a $400 more , plus if you have noticed there are very few advertisements about the high end rMB , most of them are for the air or the 13" rMB because there relatively cheaper ; and for proof that are moving away is the late 2013 edition , in all previous 15" there has been a dgpu in both the models for the first time the cheaper 15" doesn't have a dgpu
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let me parse this out a bit. first of all, sure, of course they aren't the high-end $2600 laptops. In that argument, most of the imac apple sells probably aren't 27", most of the laptops apple sells probably aren't 15", why draw the line here? Matter of fact-ly, they keep doing it because it's 1. easy 2. higher profit margin, 3. satisfy a given class of customers who will look elsewhere.
This rolls up to my next argument, I honestly have no idea where you guys are getting the idea that apple needs to re-invent the wheel to fit the 850M. I don't know about socket differences, but I know they are using the same manufacturing process which means the die didn't shrink and the size of the chip is most likely exactly the same. change in the pin layout is literally a change in the adapter which probably takes trivial work. Comparatively, it makes no sense for Apple to leave ONE BIG PART of a laptop empty, including the second fan assembly, just to satisfy their hatred for DGPU. money is money and if money can be made, it'd be dumb if apple won't do it. if DGPU is going away, it'll most likely come with an ENTIRE new re-design of the laptop, one that will actually take advantage of the almost halving of the thermal output.
Saying you can spend $400 more for a mac pro completely misses the point of a laptop. you can also spend the same now and get a much more powerful imac.
and no this is not the first time the 15" doesn't have a dgpu. this has happened before in the classic macbook pro.
None of your arguments really show that Apple won't upgrade to the 850M. We just don't know, and it is disingenuous to convince people of such a fact. For fun though, here are some counterpoints:
1) Why go through the process? Because parts change over time to become better, this won't be the first time Apple has had to tweak their devices for newer components. I'm not sure it is the grand event you are making it out to be.
2) Apple advertisements are for the masses, same reason you see more advertisements for the iPhone on TV than for Mac or iPods. Doesn't mean that Apple will stiff the niche markets.
3) Iris Pro is catching up in power and is better for battery life, which Apple is making a push towards. The battery life specs on the 15 inch aren't for the dGPU model, and Apple wants to advertise this efficiency.
Straight from the website: The 13‑inch MacBook Pro now lasts up to 9 hours between charges, and the 15‑inch model lasts up to 8 hours.
At the bottom in small font: Battery life and charge cycles vary by use and configuration. See www.apple.ca/batteries for more information.
Wait and see. All we know for now is that the 750M is a 2013 chip and the 850M is the 2014 chip. Since Haswell has been spec bumped, Apple may have more changes in store for us in their annual upgrade since this is supposed to be their strongest year in the last 25.
I was going to buy a 15" entry retina MBP (Iris Pro) as my first Mac but I knew I was never going to use it outside (I'd never take out almost 2 grand of hardware outside
). I ended up buying the highest end 21.5" iMac that cost me £400 less and got myself the 750m GPU (the GPU was most important to me for my uses). All I'm saying is that there is people who buy a laptop and just use it as a desktop (well, I would have used the rMBP in different rooms at most). I'm glad I saw the light and went with the iMac, and I don't know why I just wanted a MB over an iMac but I know I'm not the only one.Ok so before you continue to berate me on if the 850m will be in the new refresh or not lol , lets get back to actual question of this post , is the 850m worth losing free applecare and discount over? cause im getting applecare+the 750m 15" for $2450(tax included) , so would it be worth losing the deal for the 850m? im going to be a college student in the fall
Actually there's a very good chance Maxwell will be built on a new 20nm process. Also changing sockets and pins isn't trivial. But I do agree it won't be a huge engineering feat to achieve and Apple can include the new Maxwell chips without too much hassle. It's just a case of cost vs profit and I hope they do include the Maxwell dGPU option as I know three other friends who bought rMBP's with the intention of installing Windows and gaming like me (all three bought theirs after using mine!). If the Broadwell refresh went iGPU only then I wouldn't upgrade. It's hard to say if the dGPU is really niche or not but I imagine it's pretty popular as gaming is becoming more popular on Macs these days. IrisPro while good for an iGPU but really doesn't cut it for gaming, there's a limit to how good you can make an iGPU before you are limited by a lack of high bandwidth VRAM and lack of pipelines.
Actually you would be surprised by how many 15" laptops and 27" iMacs Apple sells.
I was going to buy a 15" entry retina MBP (Iris Pro) as my first Mac but I knew I was never going to use it outside (I'd never take out almost 2 grand of hardware outside
Why not use it outside? Mine goes everywhere with me, I travel across Europe visiting friends with it in my hand luggage. It has a superior display and a better SSD than the iMac. Sorry but MacBooks are really useful, unless you are the sort of idiot who actually takes his whole iMac into Starbucks with him - yes, I have genuinely seen this in person.
I really hope Apple include Maxwell in the Broadwell refresh and if they do I will upgrade on day one!
No, I wouldn't buy a $2500 dollar laptop without Apple care. If I could swing Applecare for each model, I'd consider waiting. Good luck!
Why would there be a good chance? The 850m already exists as a productline.
I dont know how surprised id be considering apple doesnt release sales charts
.Why would there be a good chance? The 850m already exists as a productline.
I dont know how surprised id be considering apple doesnt release sales charts
I came to the conclusion just by looking across campus, the library, airport lounges etc that it's a pretty good split and neither really outsells the other. If you are talking just MBP's I'd say the 15" is the more popular of the two. Throw in the Air's and the 13" is probably the most common. Ditching the 17" while angering a small minority wasn't all that unexpected, 17" laptops have never been big sellers, and the cost of an even higher resolution 17" display was probably quite a lot. Most 17" users would have just opted for the 15" or a MP or iMac instead, while getting rid of 15" displays in favour of 13" or 11" displays is just stupid as they are very popular.
Because Nvidia planned for a two-staged release of Maxwell due to manufacturing yield problems with TSMC. Stage one is 28nm Maxwell which is out now, stage two is 20nm Maxwell late this year/early next.
its not that i wound't buy apple care if i waited , its just that im also going to buy accidental damage protection so its another $250 , so i would spending almost $500 on protection if i waited + tax , so which one should i go for the 750m which is $2450(including applecare) + $250 for accidental warranty or the next refresh which would $2599(edu discount) + $250 for applecare + $250 for accidental damage care for 5 years , so is the cost of the next refresh justified or will the current gen be fine? also i don't game that much , at most i play LoL , im getting it because i want the quad core i7 and 16gbs and 512 ssd
I'd still wait, you may see a price drop if the refresh is boring. Rumours say tomorrow could be interesting .